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adigal

(7,581 posts)
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 05:09 PM Nov 2017

I ask again - no talk of Alzheimers??? I have no TV, haven't seen Trump except in pics and short

video clips. So when I was waiting for my oil change yesterday, I watched him sitting at a table with others.

I was actually pretty shocked. He looked horrible, very painted, but that wasn't what surprised me. He looked confused, vacant, like an old Grandpa at Thanksgiving, suffering from Alzheimers, trying to pretend that he was keeping up.

He walks off without signing things, he asks for people who are right there, he says he had lunch with Tillerson last week when it was the day before, he just did something like that again last week. Come on, reporters!!! The man certainly looks like he has Alzheimers, or dementia!!

He said we are getting rid of the Diversery program, and messed up Preliminarily. I get the second one, but the first? Something is wrong. I've been saying this for a year.

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I ask again - no talk of Alzheimers??? I have no TV, haven't seen Trump except in pics and short (Original Post) adigal Nov 2017 OP
Somebody speculated today that it might be tertiary syphilis. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #1
And it seems to have escalated, whatever it is adigal Nov 2017 #3
Dementia is far far far more likely, but tertiary syphilis does still (rarely) occur hlthe2b Nov 2017 #4
"He is not well," is the phrase I hear Ilsa Nov 2017 #2
Yeah, profiles in courage, that lot gratuitous Nov 2017 #7
Fake News. Fake dementia escape delisen Nov 2017 #5
Lyme is a far more common cause of dementia than most realize yet lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #6
Really?? Dotard might very well have that. nt adigal Nov 2017 #8
It's an extremely common disease. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #9
I have a hard time imagining how he would acquire lyme disease. Ilsa Nov 2017 #11
Ticks are all over the place. He could pick them up on the golf course. Vinca Nov 2017 #12
I think that's a reasonable diagnosis. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #20
I have a 51 year old friend with early onset Alzheimer's. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2017 #10
Early onset is a very different beast than Alzheimer's Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #14
Yes, suggesting he has some form of cognitive impairment PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2017 #15
I am without TV as well. It would be easy to contrast "Apprentice vs POTUS" GusBob Nov 2017 #13
There has been talk of Alzheimer's and dementia. Lots of it. Captain Stern Nov 2017 #16
Exactly loyalsister Nov 2017 #17
I've been wondering how much of his "confused, vacant, trying to keep up" condition Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #18
Medicated? MsBeckee75 Nov 2017 #19

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
1. Somebody speculated today that it might be tertiary syphilis.
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 05:10 PM
Nov 2017

Whatever it is, it's safe to say that boy ain't right.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
3. And it seems to have escalated, whatever it is
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 05:17 PM
Nov 2017

Today he said "Preminilarily" wrong, which could be understandable but then slurred on "diverserey," and mispronounced it several oter times.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
7. Yeah, profiles in courage, that lot
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 05:22 PM
Nov 2017

Lots of "inside baseball" reporting, but none of them will put their source on the record that Trump isn't right. Sure, the country may be presided over by a petulant madman with poor impulse control, but they're all pretty sure (mostly sure, kinda sure) that they're not in any direct danger. And the people most likely to take it in the shorts from a presidential temper tantrum probably have it coming anyway. Then they'll report on that, as if nobody could have seen it coming, and these things just happen sometimes.

You wanna scream, "GRAB THE WHEEL, YOU FUCKERS!" But that's not how this little game is played.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
6. Lyme is a far more common cause of dementia than most realize yet
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 05:21 PM
Nov 2017

It's a spirochete, like syphilis, but far more insidious. It usually goes to the brain pretty quickly. It is shaped like a tiny drill bit (hence the name spirochete) and it literally drills through the blood-brain barrier.

It has been found in most autopsied Alzheimers brains (when they are looking for it).

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
11. I have a hard time imagining how he would acquire lyme disease.
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 05:45 PM
Nov 2017

Not much of an outdoorsman. He plays golf and tennis, but those aren't exactly activities that expose one to ticks, are they? Is there another method of transmission?

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
12. Ticks are all over the place. He could pick them up on the golf course.
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 05:50 PM
Nov 2017

That said, I think he's suffering from early dementia on top of his pre-existing personality disorders.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
20. I think that's a reasonable diagnosis.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 09:00 AM
Nov 2017

He was always a bad guy, but dementia makes him a foolish bad guy.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
10. I have a 51 year old friend with early onset Alzheimer's.
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 05:38 PM
Nov 2017

Her behavior and language patterns are nothing like Trump's.

Supposedly he sleeps very little. Lack of sleep causes confusion and poor judgement, among other things. It's also possible he's on some sort of medication that contributes to his odd speech.

Add to that, he's nowhere near as smart as he thinks he is, he's poorly educated, never reads. is extremely lacking in knowledge of many fundamental things.

An explanation of Alzheimer's or any other dementia is reaching, and as has already been pointed out, gives him an excuse for his behavior. No. He is responsible for his behavior, as ignorant and willful and mean-spirited as he is.

Ms. Toad

(34,075 posts)
14. Early onset is a very different beast than Alzheimer's
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 06:09 PM
Nov 2017

developing at the age Trump is. It is much more aggressive and

Not to mention that Alzheimer's affects people very differently - and there are many different forms of dementia.

I don't know whether he has dementia or not, but his behavior and language parterns are certiainly consistent wtih the early stages of Alzheimer's at this stage of life. This is based on personal experience as well as research following the diagnosis of a family member, and conversations with other caregivers in the support group I attended for a while.

They are also consistent witht the side effects of lack of sleep, out-of-control diabetes, Lyme disease, and a number of other things.

It seems safe to me to suggest he has some form of cognitive impairment, without identifying the source.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
15. Yes, suggesting he has some form of cognitive impairment
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 06:11 PM
Nov 2017

without identifying the source is the best way to go.

And I do know that early onset Alzheimer's is much different, much more aggressive. Among the tragedies of a more normal-age onset is how very long a person can live with it, often spending years in some sort of memory care unit.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
13. I am without TV as well. It would be easy to contrast "Apprentice vs POTUS"
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 06:01 PM
Nov 2017

I never paid attention to him on TV, but there must be reams of video from his reality TV days that show a more coherent and vocally capable person than the one who is president

Recently I listened to the Access Hollywood tape and could notice a difference for sure

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
16. There has been talk of Alzheimer's and dementia. Lots of it.
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 06:11 PM
Nov 2017

There was also talk of the same about Hillary Clinton, and it wasn't true.

Donald Trump displays some of the symptoms of dementia, not because he actually has some sort of disease. He does that because he actually doesn't know what the hell is going on, and he's too damned lazy to try and find out. He sits on his ass, and watches Fox news, and figures that's all there is to know.

He doesn't care that he doesn't know what's going on, and he really has no reason to care. His diehard supporters still think he's a genius. His supporters actually think the guy knows what he's doing.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
17. Exactly
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 06:29 PM
Nov 2017

He's in way over his head. A situation that leaves most people confused. He can't manipulate the job to suit his desires or to match the level of personal investment he wants to make.
That someone so self absorbed pursued the most scrutinized and ridiculed position in the world suggests that he knew very little about the job or his own capacity to do it. A time schedule and demands designed by someone other than himself must make his head spin. He's out of his league and can't make circumstances bend to his will probably for the first time ever. His lack of ability to adapt is not organic. It's a lifetime accumulation of personal flaws and entitlement that makes him incapable of functioning as an adult with obligations much less president.

Corvo Bianco

(1,148 posts)
18. I've been wondering how much of his "confused, vacant, trying to keep up" condition
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 06:31 PM
Nov 2017

can be attributed to his alternating realities. He absorbs and regurgitates the Fox News universe as if it is real. It may be confusing for him to be transported to quazi-dignified rooms where the men and women around you aren't shouting. Worse yet, they discuss bizarre concepts that seem to have nothing to do with Hillary Clinton's evil plans.

In short, I think he has serious memory issues that may be compounded by self-gaslighting.

MsBeckee75

(21 posts)
19. Medicated?
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 08:22 PM
Nov 2017

I don't watch television and rarely watch clips of him... because he is an Asshole. I watched this and my first thought was he's on downers (Xanax, Valium), either with it without his own knowledge. Or, any number of other medications he may be on could be causing the mental confusion and speech problems.

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