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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI now say this to Trump voters. Feel free to do the same.
Any American who denies and supports an attack by an enemy of the United States is by definition a traitor. That is exactly what Trump has done.
As you follow propaganda and chant "lock her up" remember this, while you do this you will be watching the entire Trump administration go down in flames.
ffr
(22,670 posts)You can say too, that their actions have repercussions. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. They have and are willfully enabling conspiracies against the United States. I'd offer, doing so is a treasonous act and anyone supporting and/or not acting out against such behavior is complicit in such unpatriotic actions.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Grammy23
(5,810 posts)I would LOVE to start taunting them with some of the things coming out about what tRump and his campaign did in order to win the election. But many of them avoid the news like the plague...any of the news organizations that are on this story and have been. They are force fed lies by Fox and Rush and Hannity. They are primed to reject the truth so getting through to them wont be easy. The brainwashing theyve had has been very effective. They just cant believe that their source for news would lie to them. And they are fully prepared to believe that NBC MSNBC ABC and CBS CNN PBS are all the enemy.
Before attempting to deconvert them, I recommend having ALL of our ducks in a row. Facts, pictures, charts, legal documents, etc. Compare and contrast what Fox and Rush, Info Wars, etc told them VS. what really happened. Be prepared for them to reject your arguments. Dont lose your temper, just state the facts and truth. Spell it out slowly and link to documents (legal or emails) when appropriate. Give the time line and make it flow with what we know happened.
Dont get into a screaming match. Just leave them with what has been revealed. Allow them to ponder what youve shown them. Dont forget to remind them that Rush is an entertainer, not unlike tRump. If you cant get through to them, dont despair. Eventually, like Watergate, it will come out, one way or another. I have confidence in Mueller and his team to save the day and our country! Not all will come around, but many will know they were duped and will turn on those who duped them! Hasten the day!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,005 posts)Try things one at a time. In short bites, stuff that makes most trumpanzees sputter as they try to change the subject. Or gish-gallop. You can let them fume, spout, and sputter and when they exhaust themselves, tell them they can't directly answer the point and repeat it.
emails? If that was worth voting against Clinton for, why have multiple members of tRump's family and staff and cabinet done the same?
Down on Obama for golfing?
Need House to kill Affordable Care Act? You got it. Oh, you need the Senate? Got that too. Need Presidency? Got that too. Still can't do it? Well, must be that it is not so bad after all and tRump can't make a deal to fight his way out of a wet paper bag.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)I to have family that support Trump and I have no desire to argue politics any further. They are so entrenched in conspiracies and red-herrings that no amount of facts or logic will dislodge them from their moronic positions. The country was in the shitter when Obama came along and after he fixed crisis after crisis they still will not say a decent word about him. The right has become a cult, that is the only explanation. I see middle aged women raging over Hillary and I cannot understand women treating other women this way. The right is a cult led by the media who feeds and reinforces these nutty ideas. I do not know how our country will overcome this divide. It will take an exceptional individual to bring both sides back to the middle and leave the crazies on the far left and far right on the fringe of politics without a voice where they belong.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Without Fux et al finally dying.
Perhaps those disease vectors will die of audience abandonment, or maybe it will happen due to some legislation requiring truth and barring lies in News organizations. I just can't imagine the uninformed masses changing while they continue to ingest toxic waste.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Oh, well, the surprised look on their faces will be priceless.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)They'll believe the wildest conspiracy theories rather than admit that Trump ever put a foot wrong.
Wednesdays
(17,380 posts)Moments before they were executed were, "Heil Hitler!"
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,005 posts)IronLionZion
(45,452 posts)https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381
I'm really interested in having a lot of GOP co-conspirators blocked from holding any office
Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States
If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)maryellen99
(3,789 posts)They dont know that Im one and they are too far gone to reason with. They post stuff on FB about sending NFL players who disrespect the flag to Iraq and how liberals are hating on Eric Trumps newborn son.
ThatGuyJerome
(15 posts)He denied and supported an attack? I'm just confused on what your talking about. Please send some feedback
Duppers
(28,125 posts)Or was your reply sarcasm?
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L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)If "Yes" please proceed to the IQ testing room.