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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 01:00 PM Nov 2017

I now say this to Trump voters. Feel free to do the same.

Any American who denies and supports an attack by an enemy of the United States is by definition a traitor. That is exactly what Trump has done.

As you follow propaganda and chant "lock her up" remember this, while you do this you will be watching the entire Trump administration go down in flames.

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I now say this to Trump voters. Feel free to do the same. (Original Post) shockey80 Nov 2017 OP
Kicking! ffr Nov 2017 #1
K&R uponit7771 Nov 2017 #2
I know several tRump voters....sadly many are relatives. Grammy23 Nov 2017 #3
Yes, slow, calm. Highlighting just how hypocritical tRump gang are is good. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #4
The brainwashing is frightening Pepsidog Nov 2017 #7
Agree a zillion %. Also, I can't see right-wingerism fizzling out BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2017 #10
Lets hope Pepsidog Nov 2017 #14
Most will not believe it until Turd is deposed and his Tweeter is confiscated. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #8
They won't believe it then, either. Mariana Nov 2017 #11
The last words from a lot of Nazi officers Wednesdays Nov 2017 #15
The point not stated: tRump is blocking hardening 2018 election systems & McCONnell did it in 2016. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #5
US Code entry for Treason IronLionZion Nov 2017 #6
K & R geardaddy Nov 2017 #9
I dont say anything due to the fact my husbands extended family doesnt like liberals maryellen99 Nov 2017 #12
Wait ThatGuyJerome Nov 2017 #13
Reading, listening to news? Duppers Nov 2017 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author WinkyDink Nov 2017 #16
Future job application: "Are you now or have you ever been a supporter of Donald Trump?" L. Coyote Nov 2017 #17

ffr

(22,670 posts)
1. Kicking!
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 01:15 PM
Nov 2017


You can say too, that their actions have repercussions. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. They have and are willfully enabling conspiracies against the United States. I'd offer, doing so is a treasonous act and anyone supporting and/or not acting out against such behavior is complicit in such unpatriotic actions.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
3. I know several tRump voters....sadly many are relatives.
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 02:01 PM
Nov 2017

I would LOVE to start taunting them with some of the things coming out about what tRump and his campaign did in order to “win” the election. But many of them avoid the news like the plague...any of the news organizations that are on this story and have been. They are force fed lies by Fox and Rush and Hannity. They are primed to reject the truth so getting through to them won’t be easy. The brainwashing they’ve had has been very effective. They just can’t believe that their source for news would lie to them. And they are fully prepared to believe that NBC MSNBC ABC and CBS CNN PBS are all the enemy.

Before attempting to deconvert them, I recommend having ALL of our ducks in a row. Facts, pictures, charts, legal documents, etc. Compare and contrast what Fox and Rush, Info Wars, etc told them VS. what really happened. Be prepared for them to reject your arguments. Don’t lose your temper, just state the facts and truth. Spell it out slowly and link to documents (legal or emails) when appropriate. Give the time line and make it flow with what we know happened.

Don’t get into a screaming match. Just leave them with what has been revealed. Allow them to ponder what you’ve shown them. Don’t forget to remind them that Rush is an “entertainer”, not unlike tRump. If you can’t get through to them, don’t despair. Eventually, like Watergate, it will come out, one way or another. I have confidence in Mueller and his team to save the day and our country! Not all will come around, but many will know they were duped and will turn on those who duped them! Hasten the day!


Bernardo de La Paz

(49,005 posts)
4. Yes, slow, calm. Highlighting just how hypocritical tRump gang are is good.
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 02:49 PM
Nov 2017

Try things one at a time. In short bites, stuff that makes most trumpanzees sputter as they try to change the subject. Or gish-gallop. You can let them fume, spout, and sputter and when they exhaust themselves, tell them they can't directly answer the point and repeat it.



emails? If that was worth voting against Clinton for, why have multiple members of tRump's family and staff and cabinet done the same?

Down on Obama for golfing?

Need House to kill Affordable Care Act? You got it. Oh, you need the Senate? Got that too. Need Presidency? Got that too. Still can't do it? Well, must be that it is not so bad after all and tRump can't make a deal to fight his way out of a wet paper bag.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
7. The brainwashing is frightening
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 03:14 PM
Nov 2017

I to have family that support Trump and I have no desire to argue politics any further. They are so entrenched in conspiracies and red-herrings that no amount of facts or logic will dislodge them from their moronic positions. The country was in the shitter when Obama came along and after he fixed crisis after crisis they still will not say a decent word about him. The right has become a cult, that is the only explanation. I see middle aged women raging over Hillary and I cannot understand women treating other women this way. The right is a cult led by the media who feeds and reinforces these nutty ideas. I do not know how our country will overcome this divide. It will take an exceptional individual to bring both sides back to the middle and leave the crazies on the far left and far right on the fringe of politics without a voice where they belong.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
10. Agree a zillion %. Also, I can't see right-wingerism fizzling out
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 03:58 PM
Nov 2017

Without Fux et al finally dying.

Perhaps those disease vectors will die of audience abandonment, or maybe it will happen due to some legislation requiring truth and barring lies in News organizations. I just can't imagine the uninformed masses changing while they continue to ingest toxic waste.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
8. Most will not believe it until Turd is deposed and his Tweeter is confiscated.
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 03:26 PM
Nov 2017

Oh, well, the surprised look on their faces will be priceless.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
11. They won't believe it then, either.
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 04:07 PM
Nov 2017

They'll believe the wildest conspiracy theories rather than admit that Trump ever put a foot wrong.

IronLionZion

(45,452 posts)
6. US Code entry for Treason
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 03:06 PM
Nov 2017
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381


I'm really interested in having a lot of GOP co-conspirators blocked from holding any office

Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States
If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371

maryellen99

(3,789 posts)
12. I dont say anything due to the fact my husbands extended family doesnt like liberals
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 04:37 PM
Nov 2017

They don’t know that I’m one and they are too far gone to reason with. They post stuff on FB about sending NFL players who “disrespect the flag” to Iraq and how liberals are hating on Eric Trump’s newborn son.

 

ThatGuyJerome

(15 posts)
13. Wait
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 05:35 PM
Nov 2017

He denied and supported an attack? I'm just confused on what your talking about. Please send some feedback

Response to shockey80 (Original post)

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
17. Future job application: "Are you now or have you ever been a supporter of Donald Trump?"
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 08:12 PM
Nov 2017

If "Yes" please proceed to the IQ testing room.

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