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kentuck

(111,097 posts)
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 05:21 PM Oct 2017

I think Mueller is going to indict all of those present at the Trump Tower meeting of June 9th


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_campaign%E2%80%93Russian_meeting

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On June 9, 2016, a meeting was held in Trump Tower in New York City between three senior members of the presidential campaign of Donald Trump – Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort – and at least five other people, including Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya. The meeting was arranged by publicist and long-time Trump acquantiance, Rob Goldstone on behalf of his client, singer-songwriter Emin Agalarov.[1] It was disclosed to U.S. government officials when Kushner filed a revised version of his security clearance form.[2]

Donald Trump Jr. initially told the press that the meeting was held to discuss adoptions of Russian children by Americans. On July 8, 2017, Trump Jr. tweeted that he agreed to the meeting with the understanding that he would receive information damaging to Hillary Clinton, and that he was conducting opposition research.[3] Goldstone had stated in his email that the Russian government was involved.[4] Robert Mueller, the special counsel of the Department of Justice in charge of Russia-related investigations, is investigating the emails and the meeting.[5]
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I think Mueller is going to indict all of those present at the Trump Tower meeting of June 9th (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2017 OP
I agree. That should scare the beejeebers out of the rest. Frustratedlady Oct 2017 #1
Can.Not.Come.Soon.Enough!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #2
That would be amazing. Vinca Oct 2017 #3
It would be a way that Mueller shows Trump that he is not the one in charge? imanamerican63 Oct 2017 #4
It also puts the big KGOP STINK front and center Achilleaze Oct 2017 #6
Trump fired Boente. DURHAM D Oct 2017 #5
Did Trump actually fire Boente?? kentuck Oct 2017 #7
Newsweek seems to think it doesn't matter FreeState Oct 2017 #8
I heard speculation last night on Rachel lapucelle Oct 2017 #28
From NBC - DURHAM D Oct 2017 #9
Wow! kentuck Oct 2017 #10
US attorneys are part of the DOJ dflprincess Oct 2017 #11
Yes, but it is assumed to be independent and separate in matters of legality. kentuck Oct 2017 #13
That I think is true dflprincess Oct 2017 #23
You make a good point. kentuck Oct 2017 #47
not so little.... downright stinks. defacto7 Oct 2017 #12
Doubt it Loki Liesmith Oct 2017 #30
Actually, Sessions asked for his resignation for reasons unspecified. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #41
If you are going to arrest junior flotsam Oct 2017 #14
Oh, and make sure he's wearing his diapers. smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #18
Is that Big Foot sneaking up on the extreme left background ? magicarpet Oct 2017 #33
It'll be Manafort that's indicted, and for nothing that has anything to do with... EL34x4 Oct 2017 #15
So, if he can't get Manafort to talk.... kentuck Oct 2017 #16
Here's my prediction. Mueller is under great pressure to produce something... EL34x4 Oct 2017 #17
You may be right? kentuck Oct 2017 #19
I hate to be a wet blanket, I just don't see where Trump is anywhere close... EL34x4 Oct 2017 #20
He fired Comey. WinkyDink Oct 2017 #27
He fired Comey for not saying publicly what he was telling Trump privately. Calista241 Oct 2017 #32
Heh--I'm sure Trump's team is trying mightily to come up with a version of "If it doesn't fit, WinkyDink Oct 2017 #48
I actually agree fallout87 Oct 2017 #21
Yes Mueller is a republican, but Trump isn't and he's destroying the party. politicaljunkie41910 Oct 2017 #35
Why... fallout87 Oct 2017 #37
I'll bet you $20 you're way off base on both counts. WinkyDink Oct 2017 #26
No Loki Liesmith Oct 2017 #31
The other leaks on Friday dont give credence to your theory FreeState Oct 2017 #42
That would be something but I doubt it will be that extensive Dr. Jack Oct 2017 #22
I agree that this isn't going to be an extensive, multi-arrest bonanza NastyRiffraff Oct 2017 #24
I think he'll be picking up one or more RandomAccess Oct 2017 #25
It will be Trump, and I'm afraid a year from now Trump won't remember why he resigned from office. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #43
That would be great. Flynn and/or Manafort would be a start, but somewhat Hoyt Oct 2017 #29
Anything fallout87 Oct 2017 #38
I don't think they'll get Trump directly. He might fall because of all those Hoyt Oct 2017 #39
agreed. fallout87 Oct 2017 #40
He cannot indict the POTUS. Trump will likely be listed, like Nixon, as an "unindicted co- WinkyDink Oct 2017 #49
I don't think so. Calista241 Oct 2017 #34
This tweet string by Seth Abramson shows where the crime is: tblue37 Oct 2017 #46
Doubtful Glamrock Oct 2017 #36
There is so much we do not know Mr. Ected Oct 2017 #44
Yes it's been continuous information SonofDonald Oct 2017 #45

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
1. I agree. That should scare the beejeebers out of the rest.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 05:29 PM
Oct 2017

It would also decimate the Trump/Kushner families and throw everyone off sync.

Jr. is in Iowa pheasant hunting, this weekend. Last hunting trip for a while, Donnie?

imanamerican63

(13,795 posts)
4. It would be a way that Mueller shows Trump that he is not the one in charge?
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 05:33 PM
Oct 2017

Mueller needs to all the power!!!

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
6. It also puts the big KGOP STINK front and center
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 05:35 PM
Oct 2017

Trussian TreasonWeasels (R) who have betrayed America deserve a full measure of justice.

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
5. Trump fired Boente.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 05:34 PM
Oct 2017

Next he will fire Rosenstine. Then Boente's replacement is in charge and he will fire Mueller.

The Republicans will do nothing about it.

Russian language will become the new US official language.

FreeState

(10,572 posts)
8. Newsweek seems to think it doesn't matter
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 05:46 PM
Oct 2017
http://www.newsweek.com/dana-boente-eastern-district-virginia-resigns-mueller-russia-probe-695424

"With the resignation of Dana Boente on Friday as U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, President Donald Trump has an opportunity to replace another Obama-era holdover in the Department of Justice line of succession. If Trump demands that the department fire Special Counsel Robert Mueller, and if enough officials resign or get fired rather than carry out his order, the decision to do so could fall to Boente’s successor.

As Attorney General Jeff Sessions has told the Senate Judiciary Committee, Trump has been interviewing candidates for some of the 93 open U.S. attorney positions. Democratic lawmakers and legal analysts have claimed his involvement in that process is inappropriate. But the Eastern District of Virginia role is especially important, thanks to an executive order that Trump signed in March.

The order altered the line of succession at the top of the Justice Department. The order includes three U.S. attorneys, meaning that making departmental decisions such as whether to fire Mueller could fall on one of them. Mueller is overseeing the FBI investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election and possible coordination with the Trump campaign."

lapucelle

(18,261 posts)
28. I heard speculation last night on Rachel
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 09:36 PM
Oct 2017

that Boente may have resigned because he will serve as a witness concerning what happened when Trump had the private one-on-one talk with Comey at the White House.

Boente was present that night.

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
9. From NBC -
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 05:47 PM
Oct 2017
On Wednesday, Boente was notified by the chief of staff to Attorney General Jeff Sessions that he should submit his letter of resignation, so that the political process for naming a successor could begin.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/amp/dana-boente-senior-federal-prosecutor-obama-holdover-submits-resignation-n815331

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
10. Wow!
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 05:54 PM
Oct 2017

Wouldn't that be unconstitutional for an executive branch to interfere in such a way with the judicial branch? It sounds a little fishy to me.

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
13. Yes, but it is assumed to be independent and separate in matters of legality.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 06:07 PM
Oct 2017

I have always heard.

dflprincess

(28,078 posts)
23. That I think is true
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 08:34 PM
Oct 2017

though I suppose the White House can "guide" the DOJ in some ways - but more in who it appoints to some positions. Once that's done I would think it would have to keep its hands off - or that's what a smart administration does (and we know this one is not smart). BTW did you hear that Trump has interviewed some candidates for U.S. Attorney? That is entirely unheard of.

I was probably being overly picky in my reaction to your first point.

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
47. You make a good point.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:04 AM
Oct 2017

Trump interviewing candidates for US Attorney? But it is the selective way he is doing it that is disturbing. New York, D.C., and Florida? What do they have in common?

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
41. Actually, Sessions asked for his resignation for reasons unspecified.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 11:59 PM
Oct 2017

It is spelled Rosenstein. And he won't fire him.
Don't forget to study your Russian, after the spelling, before bed tonight.

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
14. If you are going to arrest junior
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 06:35 PM
Oct 2017

wait until he has loaded his single shot shotgun. Then announce loudly you have come with handcuffs. This will give him an honorable option...

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
18. Oh, and make sure he's wearing his diapers.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 07:16 PM
Oct 2017

I can't wait to see that little punk doing the perp walk.

Here he is relieving himself in his Depends undergarments:

magicarpet

(14,150 posts)
33. Is that Big Foot sneaking up on the extreme left background ?
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 10:06 PM
Oct 2017

One can hope he is famished for a snack of raw human flesh.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
15. It'll be Manafort that's indicted, and for nothing that has anything to do with...
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 06:39 PM
Oct 2017

...the Russian collusion case. It'll be for some shadiness he was doing prior to working on Trump's campaign.

And by this time next week, Mueller will have resigned.

That's my prediction.

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
16. So, if he can't get Manafort to talk....
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 06:49 PM
Oct 2017

Mueller will resign?

That doesn't seem like something he would be interested in doing at this time?

Maybe he will be fired?

And the Senate will do nothing about it?

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
17. Here's my prediction. Mueller is under great pressure to produce something...
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 07:14 PM
Oct 2017

...Particularly now that two mainstream news agencies (Fox and the WSJ) have called for him to resign and GOP lawmakers are threatening to chop off funding. Manafort is going to be the "Scooter Libby" fall guy and give Mueller a scalp for all the time and money that's been spent.

Manafort will get convicted over some process violation, maybe do a little time in Club Fed, and offer up nothing linking Trump to any illegal activities. Mueller will conclude that while he knows Trump is dirty, he can't really prove it and that'll be the end of it. Mueller will retire to a lucrative private practice and Trump will lose interest over Uranium One.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
20. I hate to be a wet blanket, I just don't see where Trump is anywhere close...
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 07:27 PM
Oct 2017

...to being removed from office.

He's not firing people. He's not demanding resignations. In short, he's not acting like he's concerned in the least over this investigation. And when you think about it, why should he be? As long as the GOP holds Congress, nobody with an (R) after their name and an interest in continuing their political career is going to do anything that would jeopardize their ability to get re-elected or raise money.

In my heart I believe Monday's indictments will be a big nothingburger. By Friday, they'll be old news.

This being said, I'd love to be proven wrong.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
32. He fired Comey for not saying publicly what he was telling Trump privately.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 10:02 PM
Oct 2017

At least, that will be the position he and his lawyers take.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
48. Heh--I'm sure Trump's team is trying mightily to come up with a version of "If it doesn't fit,
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:30 AM
Oct 2017

you must acquit!"

 

fallout87

(819 posts)
21. I actually agree
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 07:33 PM
Oct 2017

With you. Mueller isn't going to get Trump. Mueller is a republican. Plus their smear campaign against him with the uranium BS is being bought by the republicans. This isn't good.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
35. Yes Mueller is a republican, but Trump isn't and he's destroying the party.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 10:24 PM
Oct 2017

With the Bannon wing of the party and the white supremacist faction of the party gaining strength, many are concerned that they might not be able to control the Frankenstein base that they have created. Besides many or our allies are nervous with Trump's fingers on the nuclear codes, and the GOP has to be concerned that the Dotard in the WH might start something that can quickly spin out of control. Our allies in Europe have lost faith that the Dotard in the WH can be contained and the Dotard's threat to nullify the Iranian agreement coupled with the continued threats to attack North Korea could have perilous consequenses no one had imagined just a year ago. The Dotard must go.

 

fallout87

(819 posts)
37. Why...
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 10:52 PM
Oct 2017

Do you have so much faith in mueller? Is this just more wishful thinking? Trump has literally gotten out of every shady/illegal thing he has done. Theres no reason to believe monday is the day he finally goes down.

FreeState

(10,572 posts)
42. The other leaks on Friday dont give credence to your theory
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 12:01 AM
Oct 2017

The other leaks on Friday don’t give credence to your theory. The two other major leaks all were on Trump collusion.

While anything is possible I think it’s highly unlikely Muller has resigned or stopped investigations by the end of the week. That’s as pie in the sky high as a Trump inditement happening Monday in my opinion.

Dr. Jack

(675 posts)
22. That would be something but I doubt it will be that extensive
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 07:46 PM
Oct 2017

Arresting the president's (i use that term loosely) son as his opening move would be beyond shocking. I'm not saying Mueller doesn't have the guts to do it but everything I have read about the man is that he methodically climbs the ladder, going after the lesser figures first and then builds a case for the higher ups. Shitbag Jr. is probably like the 3rd highest person on Mueller's list. Taking aim at him first thing seems unlikely. He needs to chip away at the outer walls before going after the rotten core.

My guess, and I of course say this without being a legal expert of any kind, would be Manafort, Flynn, and/or Flynn Jr. I have heard a good case for Flynn's son going down first. One of Mueller and Co's favorite tactics, from what I have read, is to go after the family members of lower level people in these crime syndicates to make said lower level people much more like likely to cooperate to save their and their horrible offspring's necks.

Then again, its all just speculation. Fun speculation, I have to admit but still, we are going to have to wait and see.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
24. I agree that this isn't going to be an extensive, multi-arrest bonanza
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 08:39 PM
Oct 2017

It would be very unusual for an investigation of this size and complexity. Of course I don't know anymore than anyone else who is going to do the perpwalk (metaphorical or actual). My guess is Manafort and/or Flynn.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
25. I think he'll be picking up one or more
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 09:22 PM
Oct 2017

peripheral players. The insiders will recognize the peril, but the Republcons will cry foul and say, See? Nothing there. All this hoopla and nothing there.

I prefer your version.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
43. It will be Trump, and I'm afraid a year from now Trump won't remember why he resigned from office.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 12:03 AM
Oct 2017

But he might think he's still president and keep tweeting about Hillary.
At least his supporters will be able to say he'd have been a better crook if he wasn't so senile.

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
29. That would be great. Flynn and/or Manafort would be a start, but somewhat
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 09:52 PM
Oct 2017

disappointing at this point.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
39. I don't think they'll get Trump directly. He might fall because of all those
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 11:52 PM
Oct 2017

around. But I don't think he will be indicted. I suppose there is some chance of charges of obstruction of justice for Trump due to his messing with Comey. But would love to see it, or a threat of impeachment forcing him out.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
49. He cannot indict the POTUS. Trump will likely be listed, like Nixon, as an "unindicted co-
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:33 AM
Oct 2017

conspirator."

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
34. I don't think so.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 10:16 PM
Oct 2017

The email that let everyone know about that meeting was released to the investigators by Trump's team. And we've heard nothing nefarious about that meeting, other than it happened. So unless Mueller can prove the lawyer gave Trump Jr. something illegal, or the Trump campaign provided information the Russian government later used in their smear campaign of Hillary, this is going nowhere.

There are no legal repercussions for lying to the media, or lying to anyone not acting in an official capacity. Since the Trump team turned over the evidence that this meeting happened, I somewhat doubt that they'll be indicted for it.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
44. There is so much we do not know
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 12:06 AM
Oct 2017

The fact that Trump and his associates had been surveilled by foreign intelligence agencies and audio tapes exist is enough to convince me to let this play out in its entirety before casting any judgment as to who may or may not be ensnared in the gargantuan web. Everything we know, we know because someone leaked it to the press. The powers that be want the public to keep their eyes on the prize. Eventually, we'll see the full picture. Right now, we're still largely operating in the dark.

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
45. Yes it's been continuous information
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 12:29 AM
Oct 2017

For months now, they want us to know what's going on and I'm grateful.

Here it is late Saturday night, just think of all the lost sleep tomorrow night in Washington, people gonna be quivering Monday morning waiting.........

Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

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