Really? We still have people threatening to withhold their support if their "perfect" candidate

[Atticus]

doesn't make it past the primary? Have we learned nothing?

Personally, I will support the most liberal candidate WHO HAS A CHANCE TO WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION in the primary and WHOEVER the Democratic Party nominates in the general. It baffles me that there are some here who will not agree that that is in their long term best interest and in the best interest of our nation.

What's the name of this site? Flame away if that floats your boat.

[Wellstone ruled]

1. Yup,the Stupid runs deap in our Country.

[left-of-center2012]

2. Who? When? Where? Or is this just 'flame bait' ?

[demmiblue]

3. Flamebait meant to divide us, imo. n/t

[left-of-center2012]

6. Someone stirring the pot

[demmiblue]

8. The moths will come to the flame... look for it.

People really need to get over 2016 and look forward. We need all hands on deck.

That said, trashing thread and viewing more footage from the Women's Convention. These women are on point, uplift me and give me hope for the future.

(* The RRC will be performing tonight)

[BainsBane]

12. If you are over 2016

Why are you so determined to consider those referenced in the OP to be "us," your allies? What could possibly make them your allies aside from claims about who they may have supported in the 2016 primary? Meanwhile, you discuss Democrats who object to efforts to keep Trump in office as insects, "moths." We are supposed to "unify" around people who demand the majority surrender their voting rights to them, who are fundamentally opposed to the principle of one person one vote, and are threatening to reelect Trump if the majority do not submit to them.

We see the politics of domination within and around the Democratic Party increasing formed in racial terms. The recent DNC meeting showed the determination to expel three women of color from party leadership. We see whiteness and maleness cast as progressive, while blackness, color, and femininity are denounced as "centrist" and "establishment." The very purpose of that effort is disunity, the power of privilege and entitlement over equal rights and equal votes. Yet daring to criticize that, or those on the fringes renewing their commitment to keeping the GOP in power, is cast as "disunity," while targeting the most loyal Dem. voting demographic, who are also the poorest of all Americans, is righteous.

[Atticus]

19. See post#16. nt

[BainsBane]

7. "Us"

Did you refuse to vote for Clinton? Did you actively work to put Trump in office? If not, why would you use the word "us"?

My allegiances are with the Democratic Party, the poor, and the marginalized, not Trump enablers and white nationalists dedicated to ensuring that fascists remain in power.

The type of people referenced manifest the same personality characteristics of sociopathy and narcissism that Trump does. He is the perfect president to represent them, and they show the same utter disregard for the lives of the poor and marginalized that the far right does. Like Trump, nothing matters besides their own egos.
They not only stood with the fascists, they have renewed their pledge to ensure they remain in power, all because they don't care how many people suffer and die because of their active collaboration with Nazis, traitors, and the super wealthy. That is who they stand with and in so doing it reveals their values. People can spew any number of lies about what they supposedly believe, but it is actions that reveal who they are.
Their position also reveals absolute contempt for the democratic rights of others, which is another commonality they share with the far right.

[Atticus]

17. See post # 16. nt

[BainsBane]

14. One example

https://theindependentthinker2016.wordpress.com/2017/10/27/its-time-to-fire-the-democratic-party/

You could also look through Medium. I've seen a number of declarations of refusing to vote for Democrats if they don't get their way.

[BainsBane]

4. They learned that they like the results

They do it because they want a White Nationalist government that reflects their values. Trump's election put the women and people of color they so despise in line. Of course they are going to work for more of that. You might as well concern yourself with changing the minds of the Neo Nazis.

[HopeAgain]

5. Specifics?

Or are we just feeling grumpy?

[GeorgeGist]

9. Grumble bunnies... at DU?

surely you jest.

[KPN]

10. OK.

Question though -- in the primary, how will you determine "has a chance to win the GENERAL"? I have a difficult time determining that myself since I went for Dukakis, Gore and Kerry, and thought they all would be winners. Was there a better choice for me in those primaries?

I went with Bill C and Obama in their primaries. But went with Bernie over Hillary last time.

Why not go for who represents your views the best in the primaries and then with whoever is nominated in the General?

It seems like going with best chance of winning general is a personal judgement call that may not be accurate because it is based solely on our own perceptions rather than the overall Democratic Party electorate.

[Atticus]

15. I agree. It is a personal judgment call. Sometimes we're wrong. Thanks. nt

[CanonRay]

11. Not this shit again

[Tobin S.]

13. I'm the Dem primary I will cast my vote

For the candidate who is furthest to the left and in the general election I will vote for the nominee. Niobody here should have a problem with that. That's the way I've done it for the last 20 years.

[KPN]

20. Same here.

[Atticus]

16. RE-READ THE OP---

"Flame bait?"
"Meant to divide us?"
"Stirring the pot?"

Where does all this come from?

Reminds me of Limbaugh's "I know what they said, but lemme tell ya what they REALLY meant!"

[KPN]

21. I guess I don't see anyone here threatening to withold their support

if their chosen candidate doesn't make it past the primary.

What I do hear is a lot folks saying they think the Democratic Party can do better, and then I hear a lot of folks resisting, opposing or taking offense at that suggestion.

Two different things. No?

[Skittles]

22. WHO is doing that?

CALL THEM OUT