Congratulations Glenn Greenwald!

[Luminous Animal]

After five-and-a-half highly fulfilling years at Salon, I will be leaving to join The Guardian beginning on August 20. My last day writing on a daily basis for Salon will be August 15. Politico‘s Dylan Byers has an article about the move here. I will write daily at the U.S. edition of The Guardian, which is based in New York, and will do so exactly the same way as I have here: with full editorial independence and the same type of readership involvement and support upon which I’ve long relied, including a vibrant comment section. In addition to the daily writing, I’ll also write a more traditional once-a-week column there.

http://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald/

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/19/glenn-greenwald-moves-from-salon-to-guardian-u-s/

[scheming daemons]

1. woopdeedoo. now he will deliver his anti-Obama screeds from the Guardian instead of Salon

He is one of the GOP's useful idiots.

[Bluenorthwest]

3. Meh. I don't read him, but I support him due to the attacks on him for being gay

some of which were right here on DU. In fact, DU hosted a thread for a week in which his sexuality was used to attack him, and by extension all gay people on DU. After that display of bigoted ignorance I have zero respect for criticisms of the man and not his opinions. Those among his critics who do not support the 'he's gay' tactic should refuse to engage in attacks on him, and stick to his ideas if they take issue with them. That's what I think.

[scheming daemons]

6. nothing in my post referenced Greenwald's sexuality at all

He's an anti-Obama hack.

Andrew Sullivan, who is also gay, is a pro-Obama writer.

In the case of both of them, their sexual orientation has nothing to do with anything.


Greenwald is an anti-Obama hack who does the GOP's dirty work for them.

[Luminous Animal]

7. I remember the good old days when he was accused of being an anti-Bush hack by the right...

Funny how civil liberties were more important to liberals when Bush was in office.

[Puregonzo1188]

19. I was just thinking about that. Wasn't his career essentially made because Democratic members of

Congress frequently cited his blog as a source in their campaign against Bush's warrantless wiretapping program?

His views haven't changed and he's hardly a GOP hack.

[Luminous Animal]

24. And it didn't hurt that his criticisms of Bush's surveillance state were widely quoted on DU.

[OnyxCollie]

20. Consider the source. nt

[sabrina 1]

40. I remember that too. What he is is a true journalist. But it's fun to watch the

attacks without any refutation of what he actually writes. It was the same thing when he was writing about Bush, lots of attacks on him personally, but nothing about what he actually wrote.

We need dozens more real impartial journalists in this country. There are far too few to keep politicians on their toes, which I guess is intentional.

[snot]

55. +1

[Autumn]

77. Those were the days. Du was so happy to have him exposing Bush's policies,

just a few years later those same policies are a win!!! And Glen is a worthless hack. I wonder what "changed"?

[rhett o rick]

27. How sad that pro-Obama vs. anti-Obama is your criteria. I suggest the criteria of

pro-lower class vs. anti-corporate class. Your blind trust is not very progressive.

[rudycantfail]

34. Not to mention

truth vs. party loyalty or loyalty to a politician.

[stockholmer]

83. your standard of what constitutes a 'hack' is laughable

[whatchamacallit]

12. Funny, judging by the right-leaning policies now supported by New Democrats

I'd say they're the GOP's useful idiots.

[JDPriestly]

17. Glenn Greenwald is a strong advocate for civil liberty and justice.

If that makes him anti-Obama, so be it. Don't blame Greenwald. Blame the Obama administration.

Our government is not about an individual or a party but about justice for all. The Obama administration has furthered justice for all in some respects and really set it back in others. I am grateful to Glenn Greenwald for setting the record straight on that. Greenwald neither supports nor detracts from Obama as far as I know. Rather, he speaks out for civil liberties and lets the chips fall where they may.

[rhett o rick]

28. Some people have to simplify, simplify. D vs. R no matter what. Pro-Obama vs. Anti-Obama

no matter what. See how easy that makes life. You dont even have to use any brain cells. Reminds me of my brothers in law. They are REpublican.

Here is an example. Republicons will say they supported the Patriot Act when Little Bush Jr. instituted it. But not Pres Obama has control of it, they are against it. Some Democrats here will express the same attitude in the opposite manner. "It's ok if Pres Obama taps our phones."

This is what we are up against even in our own party.

[JDPriestly]

78. true

[stockholmer]

84. ahh, I can smell the blue kool-aid all the way over here in Sweden

VS =

The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.

- Carrol Quigley (Bill Clinton's Georgetown mentor), Tragedy and Hope (1966)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. Good. The Guardian is a great newspaper Greenwald is a great journalist.

[Luminous Animal]

4. I was about his 10th reader on Unclaimed Terrority

And I am so happy to have witnessed the trajectory of his career.

[hifiguy]

16. +1

Don't always agree with him, though I do more often than not, and he always makes me think. I definitely will be checking out his new work.

[Octafish]

35. +2

Greenwald over Sunstein, in the Integrity Department:

85-percent of DUers surveyed agree.

[Luminous Animal]

36. Thanks for that!

[nashville_brook]

5. This is a great move for him -- another reason to add The Guardian to my daily read list :)

[Romulox]

8. Oh no Salon! Like him or lump him, Greenwald was something of an intellectual giant, there.

I have to wonder if Salon is long for this world. Not much left there, now.

[MineralMan]

9. Good luck with that, Glenn.

I stopped going to Salon. The last time I went there, something on their site hijacked my computers CPU, and used up 100% of CPU cycles. I had to use Task Manager to shut the task down, then reboot. No more Salon for me. Glenn Greenwald can write wherever he wishes. He won't have me for a reader, except for excerpts posted on DU.

[Luminous Animal]

10. Well that was refreshingly illogical!

[MineralMan]

11. Not really.

I don't read Greenwald, but I used to sometimes visit Salon to read articles linked from there. I stopped when whatever ad it was hijacked my CPU. I still don't read Greenwald, so his move is irrelevant to me, anyhow. Greenwald is leaving Salon. My post was about Salon.

[whatchamacallit]

13. Of course it had nothing to do with him making an example of you

[MineralMan]

14. You remember that?

Cool. I thought that was remarkable. A post on DU got him all upset. He's since deleted the link to the thread where I criticized him. I guess I got my 15 seconds of fame or something. He even used a nice big word to describe me. Manichean, I believe it was. Glenn has a pretty good vocabulary, for sure.

[Luminous Animal]

23. Nope. He he still links to you. Click on "simle-minded"

It’s literally impossible to discuss any of the candidates’ positions without having the simple-minded — who see all political issues exclusively as a Manichean struggle between the Big Bad Democrats and Good Kind Republicans or vice-versa — misapprehend “I agree with Candidate X’s position on Y” as “I support Candidate X for President” or “I disagree with Candidate X’s position on Y” as “I oppose Candidate X for President.”

[arely staircase]

37. thanks for that

mineral man's post was better than anything i've read by greenwald

[Luminous Animal]

46. Oh, I agree! Five uses of asshat (and variations) in one short post is brilliant!

Perhaps he believes that if he repeats his insult enough times, others will be swayed to agree with his opinion.

[arely staircase]

48. well,

i suppose the two are quite similar stylistically.

[girl gone mad]

57. If you are on hallucinogens, maybe.

[Luminous Animal]

59. Hahaha! You are a good egg girl gone mad.

[Autumn]

82. Wow. Thanks for that.

I think he must be a DUer. WHERE THE HELL IS MY TRUMAD??????????

simple minded

[arely staircase]

49. i wonder what greenwald's du troll handle is.

i bet he sits up late at night in his rio bungalow posting concern threads and pro ron paul crap.

[sabrina 1]

65. Interesting speculation. Do you know why he lives where does btw?

[arely staircase]

66. yes because he is a member of the one percent who can afford to move to rio.

i know he says it is because of gay marriage. but one would think New York or Washington DC might be a more convenient place to marry your partner and cover u.s. politics. but hey, if you got the big bucks, move to rio, buy a dancing horse and a car elevator and vote for ron paul for all i care. i don't move in such rarified circles.

[sabrina 1]

67. Sad, really, to attribute malice where there is none. Regardless of his

financial status, (btw thanks for using the language of OWS, it shows how effective they have been when even someone who claims they are not, has been so influenced by them) he and his partner do not have the same rights in this country that they have in Brazil. It is that simple.

Our Federal Laws do not recognize marriage between Gays. This is what Greenwald stated regarding the legal impediments to his partner living freely with him in the US:

In a May 2008 interview, Greenwald explained that "even though Brazil has the largest Catholic population of any country in the world" and "was a military dictatorship until 1985": "I’m able to obtain from the Brazilian government a permanent visa because my Brazilian partner's government recognizes our relationship for immigration purposes, while the government of my supposedly 'free,' liberty-loving country enacted a law explicitly barring such recognition."

So, in Brazil his and his partner's rights to live the life they choose are recognized, making it possible for Greenwald to get a permanent Visa to live with his partner like any other married couple.

By contrast, his partner could not receive the same recognition here in the US, even if they chose to live in a state where their marriage is recognized. He could not obtain a permanent Visa as Greenwald was able to do in Brazil, based on their relationship.

Now do you understand? Your implication that he 'chooses' to live in a foreign country because he's 'part of the 1%' is incorrect. The facts are that this country does not grant him and his partner the same rights YOU have. Brazil does.

But it's interesting that you think he and his partner should be satisfied to confine themselves to living in the few states that recognize Gay Marriage in this country anyhow. Do you confine yourself to two states when making a decision as to where you wish to live? Would you want to live in a place where you cannot marry the person you love anywhere you wish to in your own country?

I find it sad that people will attribute all kinds of ulterior motives to someone like Greenwald, for political purposes and that they cannot separate a person's private life from their public life, or credit them with any good motives whatsoever simply to try to gain some kind of advantage, even when the allegations are false.

Greenwald and his partner live in Rio freely and legally with their ten dogs most of which they adopted. Maybe some day the US will catch up to Brazil and it will not be necessary for US Citizens to leave this country in order to have equal rights.

Another reason for OWS. Equal rights under the law, for every, single human being.

[arely staircase]

68. must be nice to be loaded like that. nt

[sabrina 1]

69. Really? I guess Greenwald and his partner wouldn't know what it would be like to 'be loaded like

that'. If they did, his partner would have no problem buying himself a permanent Visa. Money talks so I guess once again, you are wrong.

So no acknowledgement that the lack of equal rights for the LGBT community in the US is the reason why Greenwald had to choose to live where there are equal rights for him and his partner. No acknowledgement that you were totally wrong in your assumptions.

Let me ask you something, do you support Gay Rights?

[arely staircase]

70. do i believe i should have the same rights as straight people?

uh, yes.

[sabrina 1]

71. How about Greenwald?

[arely staircase]

72. yes, he has the right to be a wealthy, jet setting libertarian nt

[Luminous Animal]

74. Okay, that has to be one of the hilarious things that I have read about Greenwald!

Thanks!!!!!

[Luminous Animal]

73. Why do think he is loaded? Have you access to his bank account?

The cost of living is less than NYC or San Francisco:
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/city_result.jsp?country=Brazil&city=Rio+De+Janeiro

[arely staircase]

75. because a lawyer who gives up his practice because he is "bored" and jets off to live in rio

doesn't exactly scream poverty to me. again, it must be nice.

[Luminous Animal]

80. That doesn't answer the question.

I miss the "he's a bad" writer posts. Can we get back to that?

[arely staircase]

81. yes it answers the question. just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean it isn't real

i can use my inferencing skills and context clues, like we all learned in elementary school, to conclude that someone who quits their law practice out of boredom (his words not mine) and moves to brazil is probably a wealthy individual.it is certainly not something me or any of the other 99 percenters i know are doing.

[bahrbearian]

15. LOL, I forgot about that .

[freshwest]

21. Are you running Firefox NoScript? That stops those ads. But sometimes the pages come badly, if I..

Don't give them temporary permission to load. It makes loading a lot faster for me since it won't allow them.

[sabrina 1]

42. Greenwald has so many readers I doubt he'll miss you, so not to worry.

I never had any problems reading Salon. Been reading it for years, especially Greenwald during the Bush years. His deconstruction of Bush lies was brilliant and relentless, an oasis in the desert that journalism became under that administration for those of us Democrats who could find few journalists willing to publish the truth.

[myrna minx]

18. K&R

[SidDithers]

22. Fuck Ron Paul...nt

Sid

[stupidicus]

25. congrats glenn, that's something of a promotion

I'd think

[Zyzafyx]

26. He will be missed

I just hope we can hang on to Rachel Maddow!

[Luminous Animal]

29. You can still read him. He'll be writing for the U.S.A Guardian.

[rhett o rick]

30. I am betting on a year more at best. NBC now has total control of MSNBC. nm

[UnrepentantLiberal]

31. Mention Greenwald and the usual athoritarians and "my party right or wrong"

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hacks show up.

[Douglas Carpenter]

32. good for him! Mr. Greenwald is a valuable and truly nonpartisan man of conscience and a great writer

[lordsummerisle]

33. All the best to Glenn

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One of the most truly independent writers I can think of, and one who can really get to the heart of an issue. I'll be reading The Guardian.

[arely staircase]

38. glenn will be cranking out his circumlocutory observations on american politics for a british rag?

[Luminous Animal]

39. Indeed he will! And I will be pleased to read every last word.

[arely staircase]

43. why? once you have read his lede you have read the whole thing

glenn is of the school of writing that holds to the belief that if you repeat your thesis statement enough times, you have proven it.

[sabrina 1]

50. If you mean he repeats facts, then you are correct. There is an old saying:

'The truth never changes'!

[arely staircase]

52. no, i mean he has poor writing skills

next time you read greenwald notice how many paragraphs are rewordings of his lede. he basically makes a statement and then paraphrases himself over and over. lazy at best.

[sabrina 1]

53. Well, fortunately for him, while you are entitled to your opinion, it is not shared by enough people

to prevent him from getting paid for his work.

[arely staircase]

61. i am sure he will be just fine nt

[1-Old-Man]

41. I look forward to reading him at the Gardian.

If he was hired there with the notion that he would bring new readership with him, well, I guess I'll be proof that it happens. I find him insightful and of course very well written.

[quinnox]

44. congrats to him, will be bookmarking and reading the Guardian

more often now. I always liked the Guardian for its progressive/liberal leaning slant. Greenwald is one of the best writers and political commentators around. The fact that he drives sycophant-types up the wall is just a bonus.

[sabrina 1]

45. The NYT reporting this move is a great tribute to someone who started out as a blogger and

ended up being a respected journalist. I wouldn't be surprised if the NYT offers him a job also.

[woo me with science]

63. +100000

[fascisthunter]

47. Congrats

and enjoy the burn haters.

[xchrom]

51. +1

[Hassin Bin Sober]

79. +1

[morningfog]

54. Great to hear!

[snot]

56. So, how many great journalists are left now who continue to work in US media?

Besides Stewart and Colbert, I mean.

[Luminous Animal]

58. Amy Goodman.

[sabrina 1]

60. As Luminous Animal said below, Amy Goodman. And Bill Moyers.

Greg Palast is good, but he doesn't work here in the US. He's a good investigative journalist which is very rare to find these days.

Can't think of any more off the top of my head.

[Robb]

62. If he doesn't join the NUJ, he's still just another anti-union asshole.

I hope he does, and finds a better voice on the issue.

[woo me with science]

64. Thank you, Glenn,

for much-needed journalism in an age of corporate propaganda.

[2ndAmForComputers]

76. This news make all the right* people mad.

Which means I'm happy with it. Allow me to rub salt on the wounds. Ahem...

...he's probably earning more $$$ with this move. <nelson>HA ha!</nelson>

_{* In more ways than one.}