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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThey said no to a white nationalist. Now Penn State, Ohio State are being sued.
Penn State and Ohio State might be adversaries in Saturday's game, but as of Monday, they have a common opponent.
Both universities are being sued in an attempt to force them to allow a speech by white nationalist leader Richard Spencer.
Cameron Padgett, 29, a Georgia State senior who says in court documents that he subscribes to identitarian philosophy, filed a lawsuit against Penn State on Friday.
Ohio State got the same treatment Sunday, with more documents in that case following Monday morning.
Read more: http://triblive.com/state/pennsylvania/12869498-74/they-said-no-to-a-white-nationalist-now-penn-state-ohio-state
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)of $1-$5 million bucks ahead of time to pay for security and potential damages....
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)You cannot make them pay for security in any way.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)could be provided with security.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)ClarendonDem
(720 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)they should do it.
Also, How much of the crowd was protestors, how much was WS at the last Spencer event at UF? The audience did not look even close to full.
LunaSea
(2,894 posts)Sorry, God hates nazis.
ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts)Does this guy have standing or is this just a publicity stunt?
former9thward
(32,025 posts)If Spencer is being denied solely on ideology (or how the University thinks people will react to that ideology) then there is a case at a public university. That said, lawsuits about being denied speaking privileges are good for fund raising appeals.
ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts)I'm guessing it's the latter, because public safety is a powerful argument for the university
Yeah, I get the Nazis in Skokie, but ACLU, which has clout, isn't coming to the rescue of groups that espouse violence after Charllotsville!
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)suffer the consequences
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)You cannot force them to do that.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia stated in Christian Knights of KKK v. District of Columbia10 that when using a public forum, "...speakers do not have a constitutional right to convey their message whenever, wherever and however they please."11
Accordingly, the government may regulate a marcher's use of the streets based on legitimate interests, such as: 1) Accommodating conflicting demands by potential users for the same place; 2) protecting those who are not interested onlookers, like a "captive audience" in a residential neighborhood, from the adverse collateral effects of the speech; and 3) protecting public order.
The court emphasized that a permit process cannot be used to "...impose even a place restriction on a speaker's use of a public forum on the basis of what the speaker will say, unless there is a compelling interest for doing so, and the restriction is necessary to serve the asserted compelling interest."12
The court ruled the city's denial of a permit request from the Ku Klux Klan to march 11 blocks and the resulting decision to limit the march to only 4 blocks was unconstitutionally based on anticipated listener reaction, which turns on the group marching, the message of the group, and the extent of antagonism, discord, and strife the march would generate.13
However, the court also held that a restriction based on the threat of violence could be constitutionally justified if that threat of violence is beyond reasonable control of the police.
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/con10.htm
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Somebody punch Richard Spencer again. I think he failed to get the message. His followers tried (or planned, maybe) to commit murder at UF last week. So he should be denied because he is a threat to public safety.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)The government (and yes, these are state-ran schools, not private institutions) cannot make non-content neutral restrictions on speech.
Funny you decry that idiot's call for violence by encouraging violence.
The irony, I think, is lost on you.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Fuck Nazis
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)Ah well, now I know that it's a preference for you, not a principle.
Luckily, our courts usually do a pretty good job of protecting it.
Because popular speech needs no protection- it's popular. If the first amendment means anything, it has to protect the most ugly speech.
atreides1
(16,079 posts)But not a fan of those who would take it away, should they come to power!
And I don't trust all of our courts and I definitely don't trust the SCOTUS...the court that gave us Citizens United and will possibly decide that religious beliefs allow bigotry and racism!!!
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)Hrmm.. so not a die-hard fan, more like a casual one, eh?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Initech
(100,081 posts)dlk
(11,569 posts)Spencer is being more than disingenuous. He preaches violence and ethnic cleansing or genocide -- hate speech. These are not protected under the First Amendment, just as yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater is not protected speech. Instead, they all threaten public safety. Penn State and Ohio State are correct.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)And is protected. He will win these suits and be allowed to speak.
mythology
(9,527 posts)There are very specific limits around direct and specifically targeted incitement to violence. My guess is people like Spencer are very well versed in that line.
Dr. Strange
(25,921 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)You cannot incite a riot or yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater, etc.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)First, it's important to note U.S. v. Schenck had nothing to do with fires or theaters or false statements. Instead, the Court was deciding whether Charles Schenck, the Secretary of the Socialist Party of America, could be convicted under the Espionage Act for writing and distributing a pamphlet that expressed his opposition to the draft during World War I. As the ACLU's Gabe Rottman explains, "It did not call for violence. It did not even call for civil disobedience."
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Free speech doesn't apply to terrorist groups. Spencer should be arrested.
ClarendonDem
(720 posts)What crime did Spencer commit?
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)personal liability for an auditor's actions.
underpants
(182,829 posts)Ped State.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Universities are free to invite OR NOT INVITE any speaker they want. FGS, otherwise they would HAVE TO ALLOW A MILLION SPEAKERS A DAY.
struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)three white nationalists heckled protestors with Nazi chants and salutes before one of the men pulled out a gun and the other two encouraged him to use it and he did. All three are charged with attempted murder ...
http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/education/penn-state/article180478026.html