no voting machines were ever checked

[questionseverything]

... Desi Doyen said on 10/17/2017 @ 4:00 pm PT...


Hi, Karen --- It was actually DHS, specifically acting undersecretary Jeanette Manfra, who acknowledged that DHS had not conducted a forensic examination on any individual voting machine during her testimony at a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing on June 21, 2017. The relevant segment starts at about 58 minutes:

https://www.c-span.org/v...ted-russia-2016-election

Here's Brad's article on it: http://bradblog.com/?p=12192. More on it can also be found here.

Desi

[questionseverything]

1. from the bradblog article

Ironically enough today, in the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee, top intelligence officials from the FBI and DHS testified in regard to concerns about alleged Russian manipulation of the 2016 election. Neither they, nor the elections officials who also testified today, seemed to know much of anything about the actual vulnerability of U.S. voting systems. Or, if they did, they certainly offered a whole lot of demonstrably inaccurate information about whether voting systems are connected to the Internet (they are), whether our decentralized voting and tabulation systems make it impossible to hack a a Presidential election (it doesn't), and whether actual voting results were manipulated in the 2016 President race (they claimed that they weren't, even while the DHS finally admitted they never actually checked a single machine or counted a single ballot to find out!)

[Wellstone ruled]

2. And to think this info has been

flying around for 9 months. So the posts about hacking and vote jacking is for real. Remember the young man who said he was able to hack a machine within seconds,anyone know where he disappeared to.

[bathroommonkey76]

4. Are you speaking of these guys?

It took computer hackers less than two hours to break into U.S. voting machines at the annual DefCon computer security conference, according to tech news site The Register. DefCon is an annual event that draws hackers from all over the world to Las Vegas to strut their stuff.

The idea behind this effort was “to raise awareness and find out for ourselves what the deal is. I’m tired of reading misinformation about voting system security,” conference founder Jeff Moss noted, according to USA Today.

Some participants physically took machines apart to find and document vulnerabilities. Others gained remote access over Wi-Fi and were able to upload malware to them. DefCon organizers aggregated some 30 voting machines—including those made by Diebold, Sequoia, and WinVote—to make up its first-ever Voter Hacking Village, and turned them over to the pros on Friday to work their magic.

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The wireless hacks are clearly more worrisome because of their stealthy nature. People are apt to notice someone taking a screwdriver to a polling place during an election.

Link to tweet

http://fortune.com/2017/07/31/defcon-hackers-us-voting-machines/

[questionseverything]

8. what we know for sure is it is possible

between the polls being so "wrong" and the louse that supposedly won, I suspect we did not get an accurate result

[mythology]

13. The polls weren't wrong

http://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/198155/national-polling-accurately-nails-popular-vote.aspx

The hacked vote nonsense is silly and unsupported by the facts.

[questionseverything]

15. from ur link

The state poll averages in key states of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania prior to the election pointed to a Clinton win in each state. Trump won each state (albeit apparently by a very narrow margin in Michigan). The final RealClear Politics average in Pennsylvania was Clinton +1.9. Trump won by 1.2. From a statistical perspective, this difference between poll average and outcome is within the margin of error. In Michigan, the final polling average was Clinton +3.4, and Trump at this point has a very small 0.3 average win. Wisconsin showed the biggest deviation, with the final poll average of a 6.5 Clinton win; Trump won by 1.0. But the four polls used in the Wisconsin average by RealClear Politics were completed on Oct. 27, Oct. 31, Nov. 1 and Nov. 2. The election was Nov. 8, meaning that the predictions in Wisconsin were based on data about a week or more old.

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the facts presented in my op are, dhs says no one checked the machines,,,so how do you know it is silly?

[TheFrenchRazor]

3. that's why it's so absurd when people declare that "the vote counts were not altered," when the real

reality is that they have ABSOLUTELY NO WAY of knowing that. no complete, statewide hand-recounts were ever done, much less were any voting machines/software actually examined. we have nothing except faith to rely on for the accuracy of our elections.

[bathroommonkey76]

5. Have any blue states taken this up in the state legislatures?

Honestly, I'm worried about this happening again. Do we know if this type of stuff has happened before? It seems no one really cares about this issue.

[questionseverything]

9. sadly u are correct

[mythology]

14. So your theory relies on the hackers matching Wisconsin

A majority of the counties in Wisconsin hand recounted and there was no statistically significant difference between the counties that hand recounted and those that didn't. The differences were mostly people doing things like both filling in the bubble and writing the candidate name.

It defies belief that these uber hackers could manage that trick.

This insistence that there was some grand conspiracy to change votes is god damn stupid and relies on mounds of bullshit and demanding proving a negative. There is absolutely no evidence that actual votes were changed. This is no different than the people claiming the polls were skewed in 2012.

[questionseverything]

16. all i want is transparity in vote counting

did you watch the def con video?

tampering is possible

Wisconsin's recounts have been a sham since walker was elected

[forthemiddle]

24. I worked the polls in Wisconsin

And was an observer during the recount.
My County went from Obama in 2012 to Trump in 2016.

Along with the vast majority of Counties, we HAND COUNTED during our recount.
The recount changed by less than 10 votes, with the final outcome being +3 Trump.

I can 100% guarentee that there was no vote hacking in my County.

[questionseverything]

25. ty for your service, what county?

[forthemiddle]

26. I would rather not say that because

It might help identify me, and I am very conscious of my internet presence, and because I live in a purple area.
I don’t talk politics in public because I really hate to alienate 1/2 of my customers.

It is in the middle of the State (hence my screen name), which should narrow it down.

I will say that I was very impressed when th how smoothly the recounts went though.

[questionseverything]

27. the prosser/kloppenberg recount had a terrible chain of custody

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8548

but it was concentrated in a few counties

I worked with an ei group during that time and was aghast at what they reported

what do you think of the way wis deals with more votes than voters?

[questionseverything]

17. look at post 99 in this op

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029712789#post102

it is a video of the racine clerk denying any hand counts

wish I knew how to move the video here but alas I dont

[TheFrenchRazor]

31. it's not that tricky if you concentrate the hacking in precincts with no paper trail, or with heavy

partisan republican control, where a meaningful recount will probably not been done. it's not only NOT tricky, it's basically guaranteed that any reasonably intelligent hacker would do exactly that. and at least you know that proving a negative is a bit problematic, so maybe people should stop stating quite so emphatically that they "know" the machines weren't hacked, because of they do not know any such thing.

[politicaljunkie41910]

6. The problem I have with hearing this now is that just after the election when the people who

conduct the exit polling were saying that something was rotten in Denmark, and some of us were calling for recounts, we kept getting shouted down with all these people on here blaming Hillary. Now maybe those people shouting us down were Bots, but somehow I doubt it. There were many who had been around for a while and had tens of thousands of posts. So now we learn that no one ever bothered to check out any of the machines. Give me an f'ing break. I'm not going to donate anything to the Democratic candidates or the DNC anymore until I am convinced that our votes are secure. If this had of been the other way around, and it was the Dems who had won under a cloud of suspicion against all exit polling and other voter irregularities, the GOP and their ilk would have turned every major city in this country into a Charlottesville. Dems just sit by and allow elections to be stolen away from them.

[questionseverything]

7. remember al frankens recount?

took him 7 months to claim his rightful senate seat,,,the difference being mn has good election laws and wisconsins are awful...michigans are bad too

democrats need to vote in overwhelming numbers to win, so please don't give up on democrats, work for transparent elections and election laws that allow WE THE PEOPLE to oversee the counting of our votes

[elehhhhna]

10. How do we know the primaries aren't hacked?

Where the fuck have the Democrats been on that since 2000...they should've been screaming their asses off

[questionseverything]

11. we don't really know because no one can "see" inside the software

that counts or reports our votes

forget Bernie and Hillary....what if trump was not the legit rep candidate?

here is an x du members book about election fraud

http://electiondefensealliance.org/eda-blogs/michael_collins/300410/proving_election_fraud_richard_charnin_truthisall

[TheFrenchRazor]

32. unfortunately, politicians follow, not lead. it is up to us to push this, but you have plenty of

people right here on DU telling us to "just trust the machines." that's a whole lot of the reason that nothing gets done about this.

[CrispyQ]

12. Trump will win 2020 with 97% of the popular vote.

No one is doing a GD thing about our compromised electoral process, so why should we expect anything different?

[questionseverything]

18. small changes are happening

after def con Virginia ( I believe) decided to get rid of their paperless dres (not soon enough)

on hc interview with Rachel (her book tour) she mentioned how great it was they were doing away with the paperless and said the entire country should follow

Rachel also reported on the info I posted in the main op...she was aghast that no one looked

[CrispyQ]

19. My county votes on paper ballots that are fed into a tabulator.

The tabulator is the problem. I don't know what the criteria is to recall ballots & hand count them, but I don't think it's done often. Also, how many counties do a random reconciliation to verify the tabulator matches the ballots? It's a mess. The action being taken is too slow for 2018 & 2020. The dems have had since 2004 to deal with the tabulator issue & they haven't done a thing.

[questionseverything]

21. i agree the electronic tabulaters are a problem

as is the actual reporting software

I believe the only way is paper ballots counted at the precinct on election night in full public view and then a tight change of custody for reporting the total vote results

technology should only be used to make the system more transparent

our system should not rely on trusting anything but our own eyes

[TheFrenchRazor]

33. this. nt

[bluestarone]

20. I also think

this VERY IMPORTANT. Somehow where we can we really need to verify the machines. Even to the point where we automatically do hand count to VERIFY the machines after election! (MANDATORY) HAND COUNT WHAT EVER STATES WE HAVE CONTROL! Dam we gotta know this

[questionseverything]

22. if we are gonna verify the machines thru hand counts why pay for the machines at all

hand counted paper ballots at the precinct in full public view with a tight chain of custody for the reporting of results is the only answer

[CrispyQ]

23. This: if we are gonna verify the machines thru hand counts why pay for the machines at all

[bluestarone]

30. then

How could we prove machines were tampered???????? After we prove it then HAND COUNT ALWAYS FOR SURE

[questionseverything]

34. if you mean prove it to get trump out of office

there is no remedy for a stolen election in the Constitution

here is a bond question where it has been proven that the vote was rigged

http://www.sweetremedy.tv/fatallyflawed/media/RTA_Fraud_Flyer_3_7_12.pdf

http://fatallyflawedelections.blogspot.com/

election integrity activists were in court for years trying to get prospective relief so the next election wouldn't be stolen

my hope in posting the op was to make more people aware our elections are not secure and they certainly are not transparent

prayfully in time to retake the house

[Proud Liberal Dem]

28. The lack of concern about the security of our nation's voting machines

outside of liberal circles in the wake of Russia's interference in last year's elections is alarming to me.

[questionseverything]

29. we need to count our own votes

some folks would call me a ct but

the repubs would disenfranchise us in every other way at the ballot box

and apparently work with the Russians to do it

so why would they stop at changing vote totals?

the software of voting machines is proprietary so no one is allowed to examine it