I am no handwriting analyst, but when I look at Trump's signature....

[kentuck]

I see zigs and zags. I see erratic ups and downs. I see a disturbed individual. I see constant change. I see someone that is not stable.

But, as I say, I am not a handwriting expert...



http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2017/02/01/trump-signature-analysis/

[SHRED]

1. It's harsh

Like him.

[TheBlackAdder]

68. It's modeled after his fondest childhood memory... attending a KKK rally with this father.

[SHRED]

69. I see that!

[BainsBane]

2. I've thought the same

It's a very aggressive signature. You can tell when he signs an executive order.

[shraby]

3. There is not an iota of warmth to it.

[defacto7]

4. Looks like a skyline with buildings

..like a pretty angry town.

[Beringia]

5. No fluidity, no curves

Impatience comes to mind.

[Ms. Toad]

6. A propos of not much: Melania's looks remarkably similar.

https://www.indy100.com/article/melania-trump-handwriting-expert-donald-signature-claim-7729561

[pnwmom]

12. Weird! To have such similarly odd signatures.

[TheMastersNemesis]

33. They Are Very Compatible In The Worst Way.

Trump has found his perfect match. Both are selfish and stingy.

[BainsBane]

24. Bizarre!

[Divine Discontent]

60. Very Very ODD. It's like she's a female version of him (lifeless emotion, calculating to get wealth)

Never seen this discussed before. Maybe she asked him how to sign her name... LOL

[Laffy Kat]

7. Like an abnormal EEG. nt

[democratisphere]

8. That's not drumpf's signature; those are drumpf's brain waves.

Erratic as hell; we're screwed.

[murielm99]

9. I thought that the first time I saw

him sign an executive order. It is full of sharp edges and points. People are being impaled on those sharp edges and points.

[smirkymonkey]

28. I found this in an article from News.com.au

"Mr Trump’s signature has been leapt upon by handwriting experts who have been quick to draw different conclusions from it.
Michelle Dresbold, a graduate of the United States Secret Service’s Advanced Document Examination training program told Politico that Trump’s signature has “absolutely no curves, only angles” meaning a lack of empathy or a soft nature.

“Curves in handwriting show softness, nurturing and a maternal nature. Angles show a writer who is feeling angry, determined, fearful, competitive or challenged,” Ms Dresbold said.

“When a script is completely devoid of curves, the writer lacks empathy and craves power, prestige and admiration.

“Besides the bigheadedness that shows in this script there is something else that is rather oversized — the ‘p’ in ‘Trump’. This large phallic symbol shouts, ‘Me … big hunk of man’.”

[spiderpig]

10. I always thought it looked like a readout from an 8.5 magnitude earthquake.

From the way he holds the documents up and waves them around, he's extremely proud of his calligraphy.

[True Dough]

11. See any similarity?

Here's Heinrich Himmler's sieg heil signature:

[TheMastersNemesis]

32. I Had Not Seen Himmler's Writing. Yes Classic. Himmler Was More Sly.

[DetlefK]

13. Calm down. It's not as psychologically disturbing as you would like it to be.

You are reading too much into this.
This is the signature of somebody who is hectic, driven, somebody who wants and who wants it now.

This is the signature of somebody who has no time or interest to write a proper signature. It says nothing about his state of mind beyond that.

[Bradshaw3]

35. How do you know this?

[DetlefK]

38. Because I have seen such signatures before and these people were perfectly normal.

[Bradshaw3]

40. So you're basing your judgments on your own expertise

Are you a handwriting expert?

[DetlefK]

41. Shall we call glove-experts to see if the glove fits?

Outrageous claims demand outrageous evidence. Simply looking at someone's signature and declaring them to have a mental illness, that's weak sauce.

[Bradshaw3]

42. The OP qualified his statement by saying he was not a handwriting expert

In your response you made a lot of claims such as the handwriting showed someone who is "hectic, driven ... says nothing about his state of mind" etc. I was just asking what qualified you to make these claims. How are your claims any more valid than others on here, including those who have admitted they are not handwriting experts?

[DetlefK]

43. I have Occam's Razor on my side.

The probability for Trump being mentally deranged is smaller than for him simply being a bad person.

[Bradshaw3]

47. Ok you won't answer the question and I understand why

So I won't bother anymore with this. I would say the OP's qualifier gives them some credibility in this discussion.

Have a nice day.

[DetlefK]

48. What? We have the same qualification.

The OP makes a bold claim without expertise.
I make a small claim without expertise.

What are the odds that his bold claim is correct and my small claim is incorrect?

[DetlefK]

39. Here's an experiment for you:

Take a piece of paper. Now write your signature on it as often as possible until there's no more space. I bet, your last signature will look just as careless and sloppy as Trump's signature.

[livetohike]

14. He probably spent hours practicing how to write it that way.

Thinking that it looked impressive.

[malaise]

15. I also see loud brash and vulgar

demanding to be noticed

[brooklynite]

16. Obama's Treasury Secretary...

Sometimes a signature is just a signature...

[MoonRiver]

18. Actually handwriting analysis is a well established science.

And unlike the polygraph test is accepted as valid evidence in court proceedings.

[Igel]

20. Actually, no.

But first you have to say what you actually mean, otherwise nobody has a clue what you're trying to say.

Handwriting analysis for determining and analyzing personality, i.e., "graphology," is a pseudoscience and rarely accepted in courts. It's like phrenology.

Handwriting analysis for the purpose of authenticating documents is fairly well established and routinely accepted in courts.

These are two different kinds of things and consequently have two different evaluations.

[MoonRiver]

23. I, of course, was talking about handwriting analysis used in COURT.

[Sanity Claws]

53. The handwriting analysis in court is to authenticate a document

The expert forms an opinion whether the signature on the document is genuine based on a comparison with other signatures known to the subject's in question.

Courts do not allow testimony regarding the personality or state of mind of the writer based on a signature or other writing.

[FSogol]

21. Oooooooo was the best treasury secretary ever. My fav signature is from comic book author

Walt Simonson. He wanted it to look like a dinosaur. They should make his Treasury Sec.

[Dave Starsky]

30. THAT'S what Simonson was doing!

I could never figure out what the hell was with at signature. I thought it was supposed to be a sunrise or something.

[Orrex]

17. It looks like every EKG from every movie in which a person dies on the table

Hmm...

[Vinca]

19. It can be interpreted as "Dimwit Donny."

[UTUSN]

22. His "art" is also 3rd Reichian - but his hero had a modicum of talent at it

***********QUOTE**********

http://nypost.com/2017/10/13/trumps-sketch-of-empire-state-building-up-for-auction/

Trump’s sketch of Empire State Building up for auction

.... Julien’s said the signed piece went for less than $100 the first time it was sold — but is now estimated at $8,000 to $12,000.

The auction house says a portion of the proceeds of any sale will benefit National Public Radio.

*******UNQUOTE********

[Danmel]

25. It looks very angry

That is a hostile signature.

[smirkymonkey]

29. That was my first impression too.

Very angry and aggressive.

[dawg]

26. Looks like a klan rally.

[Chipper Chat]

27. He is cold-blooded.

No empathy or compassion. Heavy-handed. Overbearing. Cautious. Erratic. Very protective of himself and family. Organized. Intelligent.

[TheMastersNemesis]

31. I Was A Practicing Master Handwriting Analyst Years Ago. For What It Is Worth.

The writing reveals Trump for what he really is. He is an angry sadistic and cruel shark. He is always out for the kill. He is the harbinger of extreme prejudice as we have seen. His angular signature are like sharks teeth and reveals his viciousness. He is very deeply prejudiced and holds extreme hair trigger anger. He is stingy. His writing borders on mud which usually is associated with sociopathic behavior. The high spikes are flights from reality. And his uneven base line reveal unpredictability. He is compulsive and obsessive about the slightest criticism. He is capable of violent temper tantrums. As we have recently seen he is completely cold and not empathetic in any way..

In many ways he is a mystery revealing very little about who he truly is. HIs motives and reasons for doing things are hidden from everyone and even sometimes himself. Even he has no idea why he does things.

Of course what I have just said we already know because of his actions. I saw this signature years ago when I was active and it is really a very classic signature with many traits in common with the worst leaders. Napoleon, Henry VIII, Hitler, many Nazi generals, Mussolini.

Handwriting like Trump's are people with NO redeeming value. Him as president is truly a national crisis. Trump has the charm of a serial killer.

[cyclonefence]

55. I have just finished reading The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump

and your analysis of his handwriting matches in virtually every aspect the consensus of the psychiatrists and other mental health professionals who contributed to the book.

[TheMastersNemesis]

59. There Is A Lot Of Resistance About Believing Handwriting Analysis Being Valid.

All I can say is that it works. And times that I have done analysis for people I do not even know it has worked. The reactions of people I have talked to are very revealing. And I have never had anyone challenge me on what I tell them. If anything they are shocked by what I can see.

[cyclonefence]

70. The father of a friend of mine

had a business that involved sensitive financial information about people in our small town. He studied hw analysis and hired on the basis of what he could tell about job applicants based on their hw. He told me he never regretted hiring anyone whose hw he'd analyzed. He looked at mine and pretty much nailed my character (he wouldn't have hired me!).

[NCjack]

34. I see a hand, reaching up a skirt, and grabbing ... nt

[Fed-Up Fed]

36. Looks Mean and Harsh

I don't know anything about the science of hand writing analysis. It could mean absolutely nothing at all. But my impression of it is it looks like stabbing knives.

[diva77]

37. Looks like a 13 on the Richter scale - enought to inflict major damage

[ProfessorGAC]

44. Well, Mine Is Kind of Like That

Very angular, very vertical, and kind of squeezed in horizontally.

I will say that one can at least see the G and the C are a "G" and a "C". Here, i can't actually discern any actual characters. Not that you could see any more than the 2 i mentioned above, and there's a total of 15 letters in my sig.

[lame54]

45. It's like he doesn't know how to spell his own name

[LeftInTX]

46. It looks like he uses a sharpie for EOs

His signature has changed..from Wikipedia



Maybe he developed this very angular style as a "show" of aggression. Did any other presidents show off their signatures?

[Kentonio]

63. Interesting how people's signatures devolve over time as they deteriorate

Here's Hitlers.

[LeftInTX]

64. My signature has gotten much less legible over time

I think that is normal. I'm one of the few people who still uses checks, so I sign my name usually once a day. The repetition of being rushed in a check out line is probably the main factor. I take time to write the date, dollars and cents legibly, but then quickly scribble my name.

I don't know if Hitler "showed off" his signature like Trump does.

Trump's has gotten bolder. I think Trump's is for show.

Hitler's just plain old devolved.

[KelleyKramer]

49. It looks like a failed lie detector test

Three big lies, one at the beginning one at the end and one in the middle

[Azathoth]

50. I see an illiterate

Someone who never learned to write properly and who simply scribbles lines that he thinks look "strong."

[C_U_L8R]

51. I see a hooded klansman

and the words "munch ninny"

[MontanaMama]

52. I see

Drumpf.

[raging moderate]

54. Learning Disabilities?

It looks like an imitation of a signature. There are no recognizable letters.

[louis-t]

56. My late, very Republican aunt used to say the same thing.

A guy who ripped her off badly in business had the same kind of signature.

[Mendocino]

57. The jagged edge

of a bent rusty saw poised on the jugular.

[CanonRay]

58. A 9.0 earthquake with aftershocks

[kcr]

61. Trump's instability is obvious on its face. No need for junk science to prove it.

Graphology is nothing but bunk.

[Kentonio]

62. I doubt we properly understand graphology

But I don't why you'd think it was bunk. Any time we express ourselves as humans we let out indicators to our psyche. A signature is actually potentially a really good one, as although you could mask it carefully, for people who sign their name constantly they're unlikely to even think about doing that after a while.

Common indicators in body language are a superb way to read people, so why would writing not be? It's all forms of expression.

[kcr]

65. I think it's bunk because it's bunk.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20229925

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2005/feb/10/science.highereducation1

https://daily.jstor.org/graphology-isnt-real-science/

It bothers me, too. I don't have neat handwriting and it's not for lack of trying. I've tried all kinds of pencil grips and pens. I've found that some kinds of pens are better than others, and if I write slowly it isn't too bad. It's legible but it doesn't look nice, and it has nothing to do with my personality or mental stability. I resent the bullshit spread by ridiculous pseudoscience like graphology. It's harmful.

[Kentonio]

66. I have appalling handwriting personally

I don't think graphology is particularly accurate in terms of it being used as a concrete marker for behavior, I just suspect there's something there that could be useful one day. It's not about writing being good or bad, just that the way people form communications can be interesting and potentially revealing. In its current form, I certainly wouldn't call it a science though, and I definitely wouldn't use it to actually make any decisions about a person, or cast any judgement. It's just an interesting curiosity to me.

[Catherine Vincent]

67. I see "Donald Dummy" :)