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stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:54 PM Oct 2017

Here is an example of a guy who should be invited to speak at a women's conference


Fredrick Douglass

https://www.thoughtco.com/frederick-douglass-quotes-on-womens-rights-3530068

Frederick Douglass was one of the few men present at the pioneer woman’s rights convention held at Seneca Falls, New York, in July 1848.

"When the true history of the antislavery cause shall be written, women will occupy a large space in its pages, for the cause of the slave has been peculiarly woman's cause." [Life and Times of Frederick Douglass,1881]

"Observing woman's agency, devotion and efficiency in pleading the cause of the slave, gratitude for this high service early moved me to give favorable attention to the subject of what is called "woman's rights" and caused me to be denominated a woman's rights man. I am glad to say I have never been ashamed to be thus designated." [Life and Times of Frederick Douglass,1881]

"[A] woman should have every honorable motive to exertion which is enjoyed by man, to the full extent of her capacities and endowments.

The case is too plain for argument. Nature has given woman the same powers, and subjected her to the same earth, breathes the same air, subsists on the same food, physical, moral, mental and spiritual. She has, therefore, an equal right with man, in all efforts to obtain and maintain a perfect existence."
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Douglass' last speech was to the National Council of Women in 1895; he died of a heart attack suffered the evening of the speech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Douglass#Women.27s_rights
In 1848, Douglass was the only African American to attend the Seneca Falls Convention, the first women's rights convention, in upstate New York. Elizabeth Cady Stanton asked the assembly to pass a resolution asking for women's suffrage. Many of those present opposed the idea, including influential Quakers James and Lucretia Mott. Douglass stood and spoke eloquently in favor; he said that he could not accept the right to vote as a black man if women could not also claim that right. He suggested that the world would be a better place if women were involved in the political sphere.

In this denial of the right to participate in government, not merely the degradation of woman and the perpetuation of a great injustice happens, but the maiming and repudiation of one-half of the moral and intellectual power of the government of the world.

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All of the quotes I pasted above seem normal and average now. They were earthshatteringly shocking at the time.
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Here is an example of a guy who should be invited to speak at a women's conference (Original Post) stevenleser Oct 2017 OP
KR Me. Oct 2017 #1
:-) stevenleser Oct 2017 #4
Well, someone get a hold of him then. :) n/t brewens Oct 2017 #2
I wish we could. He's one of my favorite figures of the last 3 centuries. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #3
+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #5
I don't think he'll be able to attend. Good stuff though. Still, is this supposed to be in JCanete Oct 2017 #6
It's possible GaryCnf Oct 2017 #7
Show me where I attacked her or admit you were mistaken stevenleser Oct 2017 #11
No one attacked her but how about this...I think Tamika Mallory has shown an appalling lack of Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #16
Yes, it is in contrast to Sanders. This is the level of commitment I would expect to see stevenleser Oct 2017 #12
and where is the contrast. You are the one making the case. Where is Sanders falling down on this JCanete Oct 2017 #13
Im confident you can figure it out. Everyone else has. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #14
It does appear I've figured something out... JCanete Oct 2017 #15
Women's rights are human rights... Wounded Bear Oct 2017 #8
Kick nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #9
K&R betsuni Oct 2017 #10
Genius idea for an OP! hear! hear! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #17
 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
6. I don't think he'll be able to attend. Good stuff though. Still, is this supposed to be in
Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:45 AM
Oct 2017

contrast to Sanders in some way? Or is this ANOTHER example of a man who should be asked to speak at the Women's Conference?
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
11. Show me where I attacked her or admit you were mistaken
Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:13 PM
Oct 2017

And I am being generous when I say “mistaken”

Demsrule86

(68,667 posts)
16. No one attacked her but how about this...I think Tamika Mallory has shown an appalling lack of
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 08:31 AM
Oct 2017

judgment in this situation which she created...and I am appalled at some of the statements she has made. I question her future as a leader in this movement or any movement. One can disagree with a person and not be attacking her in any way...just stating the facts of the situation as you see them.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
12. Yes, it is in contrast to Sanders. This is the level of commitment I would expect to see
Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:14 PM
Oct 2017

For a non member of a diversity group to be given a prominent position at a conference for that diversity group.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
13. and where is the contrast. You are the one making the case. Where is Sanders falling down on this
Sat Oct 14, 2017, 07:41 PM
Oct 2017

issue. Where has he not shown up. Are you familiar with all of his rhetoric referring to women's rights? I just can't get anything out of this unless you put at least some part of the two men side by side on this issue. All I see is you claiming a contrast without putting in any work to show it.

Wounded Bear

(58,706 posts)
8. Women's rights are human rights...
Sat Oct 14, 2017, 10:11 AM
Oct 2017

Just like Black Lives Matter is about human rights.

In the end, if anybody loses freedom we all lose freedom.

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