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matt819

(10,749 posts)
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:58 PM Oct 2017

Death Penalty - Tonight Texas executes a 36-year-old who was sentenced at age 15

Someone shared this on FB this morning, suggesting that the 20 minutes it might take to read the storey is worth it, as this man dies tonight.

Coming as it does on the heels of so much other weird shit going on - Puerto Rico, CA wildfires, kneeling, police violence, savaging the first amendment while blindly supporting the second, etc. - it's just one more depressing story of the savage and rogue nation we are.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/10/the-autobiography-of-robert-pruett

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Death Penalty - Tonight Texas executes a 36-year-old who was sentenced at age 15 (Original Post) matt819 Oct 2017 OP
No one in their right mind should think this is justice janterry Oct 2017 #1
The death penalty is barbaric. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #2
COMPLETELY MISLEADING THREAD TITLE**. He was incarcerated at 15, then, AT TWENTY (20), he was WinkyDink Oct 2017 #3
+1 Sneederbunk Oct 2017 #7
I realize that matt819 Oct 2017 #10
Oh, "the ESSENCE," eh? Nope, not acceptable. Your (and my) opinion of the DP wasn't my issue. WinkyDink Oct 2017 #13
How do you know he didn't commi the initial crime? Kaleva Oct 2017 #14
It's in the article matt819 Oct 2017 #16
He wasn't charged with the actual murder Kaleva Oct 2017 #17
But the State of Texas can still take the life of a 15 year old... CajunBlazer Oct 2017 #12
In the news recently was a 16 year old who killed a man and raped an 81 year old woman Kaleva Oct 2017 #15
The answer is obviously and unquestionably yes. Orrex Oct 2017 #19
Okay, thanks. I thought that was clearly unconstitutional. kcr Oct 2017 #18
Texas elected Gov. W, and then America, AFTER he fought to not to Hortensis Oct 2017 #4
Care to re-write in order to be understood? WinkyDink Oct 2017 #5
Depicable, depraved votes and not-votes did this, but we won't Hortensis Oct 2017 #6
Did not help one iota. "Not-votes"? Do you mean "non-voters"? WinkyDink Oct 2017 #8
This is very strange. Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #11
This murder will be done in our names. We own it. Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #9
Accomplis to murder @ age 15: Jail Time. Murdering your corrections officer in jail @ age 20... JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #20
 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
3. COMPLETELY MISLEADING THREAD TITLE**. He was incarcerated at 15, then, AT TWENTY (20), he was
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 01:15 PM
Oct 2017

convicted of murdering a Correctional Officer ("the 20 minutes it might take to read the storey is worth it&quot , THEN he was sentenced to the DP.

I'm not making a judgment call on his life, his guilt, or his innocence. I'm pointing out the legal facts.

**In 2005 the SCOTUS ruled that executing someone for a crime committed AS A JUVENILE is unconstitutional:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62584-2005Mar1.html

matt819

(10,749 posts)
10. I realize that
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 01:33 PM
Oct 2017

But he wouldn't have been in prison if there was any sort of juvenile justice. He didn't commit the initial crime, and it is uncertain that he actually killed the guard. So, yes, the thread title was misleading, but the essence of it stands. And my reference to savagery stands as well. And, yes, I am opposed to the death penalty. Yes, some criminals may "deserve" the death penalty. For example, the shooter in Las Vegas might have fallen in that category. But the injustices and the scores and scores of death penalty convictions overturned more than suggest that it's time for to reconsider it.

Kaleva

(36,327 posts)
14. How do you know he didn't commi the initial crime?
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 02:20 PM
Oct 2017

He, along with a brother, was sentenced as an accomplice to a murder of a 29 year old neighbor whom his father killed.

Kaleva

(36,327 posts)
17. He wasn't charged with the actual murder
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 02:39 PM
Oct 2017

He was charged, along with a brother, of being an accomplice to the murder.

Edit: This is mentioned in other articles I read.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
12. But the State of Texas can still take the life of a 15 year old...
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 01:56 PM
Oct 2017

By sentencing him to life in prison. Do you believe that more just than just killing him?

Orrex

(63,219 posts)
19. The answer is obviously and unquestionably yes.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 02:56 PM
Oct 2017

Unless you can explain how an executed person might be resurrected after new evidence exonerates them, then I am comfortable stating conclusively that life in prison is the better choice.

It's not a matter of what it the sentence says about the prisoner; it's a matter of what it says about us.

kcr

(15,318 posts)
18. Okay, thanks. I thought that was clearly unconstitutional.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 02:45 PM
Oct 2017

That would have been egregious, even for Texas.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. Texas elected Gov. W, and then America, AFTER he fought to not to
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 01:18 PM
Oct 2017

have to grant retrials to consider the new, potentially exculpatory information that genetic analysis provided. He was merely one person, it was the voters, and nonvoters, who chose these evils.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. Depicable, depraved votes and not-votes did this, but we won't
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 01:23 PM
Oct 2017

see evil intent in the voters' faces or their voices. It's usually not there. Evil brews as results of the cumulative actions of groups.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
8. Did not help one iota. "Not-votes"? Do you mean "non-voters"?
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 01:29 PM
Oct 2017

Seriously, is English your native tongue?

 

JoeStuckInOH

(544 posts)
20. Accomplis to murder @ age 15: Jail Time. Murdering your corrections officer in jail @ age 20...
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 02:57 PM
Oct 2017

Well, evidently that gets you the Death penalty.

Allegedly he killed the corrections officer because the officer was writing him up for an infraction of eating a sandwich outside the cafeteria. That's a perfectly justifiable reason to kill someone and completely undeserving of execution.

(is the sarcasm tag needed?)

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