The lie floated by kellyanne conway and the nra...Obama could have banned 'bump stocks'

[spanone]

Could Obama's ATF have prevented sales of bump stocks?

Washington (CNN)Republicans are blaming the Obama administration for failing to regulate bump fire stocks in 2010 -- but it's unclear whether the administration could have prevented the sale of the device that exacerbated the slaughter in Las Vegas earlier this week.

White House counselor Kellyanne Conway said on CNN Thursday morning that it's the fault of the Obama administration's ATF for not regulating the device. She was specifically referencing how in 2010, Texas-based Slide Fire pitched the device to federal regulators as a new way to assist people with disabilities to "bump fire" from an AR-15-type rifle.

But because a bump stock is not a firearm, the ATF classified it as firearm part -- so the ATF wrote in a letter that it approved it because it doesn't have any real jurisdiction over firearm parts.

"We find that the bump stock is a firearm part and is not regulated as a firearm under Gun Control Act or the National Firearms Act," ATF said in a letter at the time.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/05/politics/bump-stocks-regulation-atf-las-vegas/index.html

[maxrandb]

1. Find me something they haven't blamed on Obama

Thanks Obama

[Arkansas Granny]

5. Or that Kellyanne hasn't lied about. She's a pro.

[underpants]

2. As I've read all ATF operations are run by legal because they fear lawsuits and bad press

The ATF is a bureau of judgment calls. Drug enforcement agents can confiscate cocaine and arrest anyone in possession of it. But ATF agents must distinguish constitutionally protected legal guns from illegal ones, with the NRA and other Second Amendment activists watching for missteps.

In part because of these notorious cases, the bureau has operated in a self-protective crouch. It has stuck to small single-defendant cases to the detriment of its effort to combat gun trafficking, the Justice Department’s inspector general found in a review of ATF cases from 2007 to 2009. To refocus its efforts, the ATF established Group VII and the other Southwest border units to build big, multi-defendant conspiracy cases and target the leaders of the trafficking operations.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2012/06/27/the-truth-about-the-fast-and-furious-scandal

[Lee-Lee]

8. The ATF tech branch once classified a shoestring as a machine gun

They even registered it as such, but later changed their mind.

The BATFE tech branch is a mess of epic proportions and has been for a long time- as is much of the rest of the agency. It recently came to light via FOIA requests that the registry used to keep track of machine guns is so badly managed the agencies own agents don't have confidence in its accuracy.

[Kingofalldems]

10. Got a link on that?

[Lee-Lee]

14. Here is one

https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2010/01/25/shoestring-machine-gun/

Google ATF shoestring machine gun and there are plenty of sites and copies of the official letters from the BATFE.

[Kingofalldems]

15. They did NOT declare a string to be a machine gun.

The string was designed to convert a weapon into a de facto machine gun. Not even a good try.

[Lee-Lee]

16. No, they did and then changed their mind 3 years later

Read both letters from them. In 2004 they declared it was a machine gun. Then later in 2007 they rescinded that decision later and declared that the string itself was no longer a machine gun but that it would be if used to convert a gun.

For a 3 year period the decision on record from the BATFE tech branch was that the string itself would legally be a machine gun.

The pictures of the actual letters seem to load real slow on that site, so maybe you missed the pertinent letter since it was in image form.

[Kingofalldems]

11. So are you saying that Kellyanne Conway is correct

and that it's Obama's fault?

[Lee-Lee]

12. No, I'm just saying the whole process is a mess

[Yavin4]

3. Imagine the hue and cry about tyrannical Obama if he had done so.

Just imagine it.

[spanone]

4. they would have sued and won...because the part is not a weapon

[Yavin4]

6. "sued". They would have called him a tyrant and voted for impeachment! n/t

[spanone]

7. and filed suit...they would have called him worse than that.

[Lee-Lee]

9. Actually they can classify some parts as machine guns

There are things like a drop-in sear that will make any gun of the type it's designed for full auto. The BATFE says that the part is a machine gun all in itself and requires them to be serial numbered.

[sinkingfeeling]

13. Someone should have asked, "What difference would it have made since this

administration would have undone it on the first day"?