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niyad

(113,518 posts)
Wed Oct 4, 2017, 01:58 PM Oct 2017

Is Las Vegas the worst mass shooting in US history? It's surprisingly complicated.

Is Las Vegas the worst mass shooting in US history? It’s surprisingly complicated.
It depends on what counts as a mass shooting — and the typical definition leaves out some pretty bad attacks.


It’s already been said again and again in the span of a day: The shooting at the Route 91 Harvest Festival in Las Vegas, with at least 58 dead and hundreds injured, was the deadliest mass shooting in American history. But was it really? The answer, it turns out, is surprisingly complicated. The short version: It was definitely the deadliest mass shooting in recent history. But if you look further back in the US’s past, the real answer depends on how you define a mass shooting.

The National Association of Black Journalists and the National Association of Hispanic Journalists, for example, pointed to two past attacks as examples of previous massacres with higher death tolls than the Las Vegas shooting. In 1873, an all-black militia defended a local courthouse in Colfax, Louisiana — fearing, at the height of racial tensions after the Civil War, that white supremacists were about to topple the regional government, which was evenly split between white and black citizens at the time. Soon after, a mob of more than 150 white men — made up of Southern Democrats, former Confederate soldiers, members of the Ku Klux Klan, and the paramilitary White League — surrounded the courthouse and attacked. Three white men and as many as 150 black men died, according to Smithsonian.com.

Another example: The 1917 East St. Louis Massacre — a white-led race riot — left at least 39 black people and nine white people dead, according to official estimates. But as Smithsonian.com noted, it’s widely believed that more than 100 black people were killed during the three-day massacre.

There are many such events throughout American history, from the destruction of “Black Wall Street” in Tulsa, Oklahoma, to the 1919 mass lynching in Arkansas. After the Civil War and during the ensuing 100-year struggle for basic civil rights protections, white groups often lashed out in violence to try to assert their control of the South — and a lot of people, particularly black Americans, died.

Before that, there were also horrific attacks on Native American populations, such as the Sand Creek Massacre. (Although many of these events can be seen as acts of war.)

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https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/10/2/16401510/las-vegas-shooting-deadliest

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Is Las Vegas the worst mass shooting in US history? It's surprisingly complicated. (Original Post) niyad Oct 2017 OP
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Oct 2017 #1
thank you. niyad Oct 2017 #2
Ive seen articles refering to it as the worst in modern US history. Kaleva Oct 2017 #3
I also see people criticize those because of the qualifier Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #4
It's arguably the worst shooting in US history committed by one person in one day. Kaleva Oct 2017 #6
I think you have to define how many shooters were involved... Wounded Bear Oct 2017 #5
I understand it is human nature sarisataka Oct 2017 #7
This Orrex Oct 2017 #8
While not a shooting Mendocino Oct 2017 #9
This country is so goddamned blood-stained. Not an insight, I know... VOX Oct 2017 #10
You thikn they've been violent to each other malaise Oct 2017 #12
This was for the individual medal, not the team competition jberryhill Oct 2017 #11
LOL. Iggo Oct 2017 #13

Ms. Toad

(34,085 posts)
4. I also see people criticize those because of the qualifier
Wed Oct 4, 2017, 02:13 PM
Oct 2017

"modern US history"

The critics believe the qualifier should be left off. (There's at least one thread on DU to that effect.)

Wounded Bear

(58,691 posts)
5. I think you have to define how many shooters were involved...
Wed Oct 4, 2017, 02:16 PM
Oct 2017

the two examples in the excerpt involved large groups of people on both sides shooting it out.

If you define what you're talking about as "mass shootings perpetrated by one, or maybe two shooters" I think Las Vegas takes the cake. Nothing in the 1800's or most of even the 20th Century would have even been possible with concurrent weapons technology.

I'd say it's not the worst "massacre" by far, but it is probably the worst ever carried out by less than 5 people shooting.

sarisataka

(18,737 posts)
7. I understand it is human nature
Wed Oct 4, 2017, 02:24 PM
Oct 2017

To categorize Rank and grade things.

However I do not feel it is helpful to hand out Carnage prizes. You know there is someone out there, who may never do anything, that is thinking "how can I become the new number one?"

Orrex

(63,220 posts)
8. This
Wed Oct 4, 2017, 02:31 PM
Oct 2017

IMO it's even worse than telling hurricane survivors that somebody else's hurricane was worse. What kind of an asshole does such a thing?

Aside from the gotcha! factor of our ghoulish news cycle, I can see no value in setting up a massacre leader board. Do you think that the survivors of the attack are comforted knowing that they might have been in the worst mass shooting in US history?

Mendocino

(7,504 posts)
9. While not a shooting
Wed Oct 4, 2017, 02:35 PM
Oct 2017

38 children, 6 adults and the perp blew up a school. The Bath School Disaster happened in Michigan, May 1927.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
10. This country is so goddamned blood-stained. Not an insight, I know...
Wed Oct 4, 2017, 03:06 PM
Oct 2017

But every once in awhile, it strikes me how incredibly violent Americans have been to each other (not to mention other countries). Everything from genocide to lynchings to civil war to mass killings, on and on. And it never stops; any wisdom gained from these heinous acts is soon forgotten.

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