J Sanders Accuses Obama FDIC of "Politically Motivated" Investigation Which Will "Take a Long Time."

[VermontKevin]

In a very complimentary article run by the Irish Times on September 30th, ahead of a Jane Sanders visit to Ireland, the former presidential candidate's wife discusses openly her claim that Senator Sanders would have beaten Trump. (Bernie lost the primary by 3708294 votes. Trump lost the general by 2865075.)

Does she believe Bernie would have beaten Trump? “I think he would have won. I have very little doubt he would have won,” she says, “because American people wanted change and they weren’t willing to vote for the status quo.”
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/jane-sanders-bernie-would-have-beaten-trump-1.3237204

But what is rather striking about this article is the claim that the Obama FDIC, and then, the Obama DOJ, instigated a partisan federal investigation:

A land deal agreed under Sanders’s watch is now under federal investigation. Sanders says that she is entirely innocent and that the campaign against her is politically motivated.

She further asserts that the federal investigation, which began under the Obama FDIC OIG and the DOJ, will take a long time.

She says she will be exonerated by the investigation, which she expects to take a long time.

I, for one, recall Sander's wish that the FBI hurry up their investigation into HRC's emails, and hope that they too, hurry up and exonerate her as she wishes:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/278128-jane-sanders-it-would-be-nice-if-fbi-moved-along-clinton

[uponit7771]

1. I am currently begging for some status quo, it wasn't perfect but q312n432u times better than this!!

[VermontKevin]

3. Obama was the status quo.

[uponit7771]

5. yeap, and was bashed here by Russian trolls often

[Tarheel_Dem]

2. I too want the Feds to "hurry up".

[VermontKevin]

4. I find that Fox New interview rather interesting.

[lovemydogs]

6. VKevin, I find it odd how some people are still fighting the primary

It seems that some here cannot let go of the primary that ended well over a year ago. And are still fighting Sanders running in it.
Afterall, your candidate won. What more can you ask.
After Hillary won, the rest was her campaign to run.
Why some are still holding grudges and refighting the primary still today seems rather odd.
Shouldn't you be focusing on the republicans instead?

[VermontKevin]

8. I am quoting Sanders from 3 days ago. Take up her remarks with her.

[lovemydogs]

12. I am not here everyday. However

It seems a core group of people are solely focused on attacking Sanders or his wife.
I don't get it.
Why this focus on him when I would think we all should focus on Trump and the republicans and their dirty deeds.

[VermontKevin]

13. I should ignore Sander's interviews?

[mythology]

49. You didn't need to specify vote total difference if your point was really only about Jane Sanders

That kind of undermines the notion that it's just about Jane Sanders.

[VermontKevin]

56. Forgive me for suggesting that math or facts might have to do with vote totals.

The idea that Bernie would win over Trump is a laudable one.

But perhaps one could contextualize that idea with the vote totals.

[Ninsianna]

64. Um, "laudable" or "laughable"?

[VermontKevin]

72. Laudable, in the sense that Bernie would have been better than Trump.

Laughable? I'd rater laugh than cry.

[ehrnst]

83. So would Martin O'Malley for all the good it does making wishes. (tn)

[R B Garr]

37. So you're not concerned about the attacks on Democrats?? I don't get it.

Wouldn't not smearing Democrats help get them elected? Why give Trump ammunition for his dirty deeds. It's absurd, isn't it?? Seems like we should have learned a big lesson already. Let's attack Republicans instead.

[Hortensis]

59. Me neither. Jane Sanders' egregious attack on Obama is inexcusable.

No one should make excuses for this accusation of what would be extremely unethical and vicious abuse of power against President Obama, and therefore against Democrats.

She's not in a happy position right now, but trying to fool those who trust her into believing that her legal problems arising from her last job were created, not by her own decisions in that job, but by the Democratic Party is contemptible. How dare she?! I question her ethics, her judgement and her character.

[George II]

40. "Why this focus on him"?

[Me.]

46. You've Got To Be Kidding

But as you're not here every day you don't see the number of threads focusing on him

[ehrnst]

53. And another core group seems to think that any critique of his policies

is "attacking."

[Demsrule86]

76. She didn't critique Pres. Obama's policies. She accused him sicking the FDIC on her

in a politically motivated attack, and that is untrue. She should not have said this about President Obama.

[ehrnst]

82. I was speaking of another politician's policies.

[radical noodle]

61. They spend a lot of time attacking Democrats

This is Democratic Underground. Why should they get a pass?

[Tarheel_Dem]

9. Any comment on what Mrs. Sanders had to say, or is this just another attack on the messenger?

[VermontKevin]

11. The messenger, in this case, is Jane Sanders herself.

[lovemydogs]

15. She is entitled to her thoughts. Right or wrong.

She has every right to express her thoughts. She is a private citizen.
If she feels this way, then my guess is that she would have to prove her charges.

[Tarheel_Dem]

38. Wow! Quite the double standard you got going there. She can "express her thoughts", but anyone....

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questioning her "expressions" are "re-fighting the primaries"? This interview was published a mere three days ago, so it's topical. I'm aware that there's a certain group who want to dismiss anything less than unadulterated adulation for the Sanders' as mere political infighting, but she started this debate with her accusations against the Obama administration, and then has the gall to speculate that BS would have won, when he lost the primaries by nearly 4 mil votes? C'mon, really?

[George II]

41. But further up you were concerned that her thoughts shouldn't have been posted, that it...

....was "fighting the primary".

[Demsrule86]

77. She took a cheap shot at president Obama . I find myself disliking her because of this.

[George II]

39. How is this fighting the primary? Should those who were candidates last year and their spouses....

....never be interviewed again? What grudges?

Read the Irish Times article, which was published while Jane Sander is in Ireland. Seems like you're more interested in the primary than the Irish Times writer or the OP.

[4now]

7. It sounds like she is in a lot of trouble.

[VermontKevin]

10. I think Mr. Sessions will use this to his Party's advantage.

[lovemydogs]

17. I don't think Sessions is too concerned about it.

[VermontKevin]

20. Really? Have you looked at the 2018 Senatorial map and considered that VT

has late registration?

[Demsrule86]

78. I think so too. I had a family member who went to jail (Club Federal) for having a mortgage

document that was not true...ignorance of the law was not an acceptable excuse.

[Eliot Rosewater]

14. What the FUCK did she say?

[VermontKevin]

16. I encourage you to read the interview Ms. Sanders chose to give.

In full.

[Eliot Rosewater]

18. Purely posting positive remarks about Democratic party, too dangerous, self deleting

[VermontKevin]

22. Yes, she alleges that Bernie would have won, bu I think a careful reading of the article

is newsworthy.

[Eliot Rosewater]

23. I deleted my response, like I said and will say again, I think I can anyway

if I post ONLY supportive things about DEMOCRATS, I can get in trouble.

So i will just shut up.

[lovemydogs]

19. Seems to me that you see the story as more then just

a story in the Irish Times.
Just something to pass along.
What is your real beef with Jane Sanders or her husband?

[VermontKevin]

21. I find all stories from campaign spokespeople enlightening.

[lovemydogs]

25. Obviously I was a Sanders supporter but, I also found Hillary

to be perfectly fine in the general for President. I liked Hillary and had no beef with her. I just liked Sanders ideas better. Closer to the New Deal.
But, I never hated Hillary.
But, it seems some people are just nursing this odd grudge.
I don't understand why or get the whole thing.

[R B Garr]

33. It's almost like we could ask the same thing of J Sanders....??

Why keep this up about Democrats. It's really odd, and I just don't understand. Why keep attacking Democrats? Why nurse that? I just don't get why.

[George II]

43. Please read what she said in the article from two days ago and let us know who brought it up....

...in the first place. Wasn't Hillary Clinton or one of her supporters.

[NastyRiffraff]

47. So, now we're not allowed to post

an article that's less than complimentary to Sanders, even if it shows his WIFE in a bad light (and it does), even if it's something she herself said.

Anything less than adulation of Sanders has been challenged here for a long time. Sorry, a lot of people just don't like him. That is NOT "refighting the primary," alerter. Sanders is a sitting Senator and is subject to the same scrutiny as any other politician. (Yes, he's a politician, not a demigod.)

[Demsrule86]

84. She said her investigation of a loan by the FDIC which began under Obama ...was

politically motivated. That is a cheap shot.

[Nevernose]

24. This is just a black hole of distortion

For those who read the OP or the title, but not the article, here's the "politically motivated" part:

"She mentions the current vice-chairman of the Republican Party in Vermont, who also headed Trump’s campaign in the state. “That’s what he does here, what he has done to the state attorney several times, and to progressives. He constantly makes charges, and then people have to follow through and investigate, to be able to say there is nothing there.” She says she will be exonerated by the investigation, which she expects to take a long time."

[lovemydogs]

27. I've read about this guy who has gone after them before

Seems like that guy has made charges against them for years.
Never comes to anything.
But, he keeps going for it.

[VermontKevin]

30. Which defaulted loan are you referencing?

[Demsrule86]

85. This is not the same thing...when a loan goes into default during a certain time period

the FDIC investigates.

[VermontKevin]

29. Oh dear, you are mistaken.

The defaulted loan that Jane references in the first part of that quote is not under investigation.

The OTHER defaulted loan that Jane references in the second part of that paragraph is under federal investigation for about 18 months now.

[Tarheel_Dem]

42. Spot! On!

"Well she liked republicans and their bullshit investigations last year enough, when it wasn't her.

"Funny when it "happens to you" it's suddenly the worse thing ever."

She seems invested in the notion that her investigation is "politically motivated", but Hillary's was legit, and she even joked that she wished they'd 'hurry it along'.

[George II]

44. +1,000,000

[ehrnst]

52. +1000. (nt)

[elfin]

26. Don't now enough about this particular issue to comment BUT

I was so disappointed in her as she made the interview rounds. Once I caught a whiff of a supercilious attitude toward others who did not love Bernie, and her reluctance to discuss her previous works, I tried to put her in the background as I made up my mind during the primaries. She is one of the reasons I tipped for Hillary besides being too lefty for this geezer who once had a coffee date with Tom Hayden. (Not really applicable, but fun to throw in to "brushes with history" convos.)

I have no idea how this issue will resolve, but suspect she overextended, perhaps naively. with not enough background in realistic finance and in hopes to expand the institution she valued with possible side benefits to make both herself and her husband look good.

If that is the case - then fess up and do whatever you can to make things right.

Bernie isn't going on to higher office anymore, but his main issues well deserve to be part of important discussions. Minus Jane.

[lovemydogs]

28. Read about the man making the charges. It will explain it all

[VermontKevin]

31. On which defaulted loan? The one he was talking about? Or the one under federal investigation?

[George II]

45. It's not about the messenger, it's the message.

[JI7]

32. Do you live in Vermont ?

Do you know what people think of the investigation into burlington college finances ? If they have an opinion at all.

[VermontKevin]

35. I summered here in VT and am about to begin the exodus south.

There are lots of contractors who lost out when BC went under.

Carina Driscoll lost no money, though.

[Eliot Rosewater]

48. Hmmm...weird that

[nini]

34. She sounds like Trump with that kind of crap

I hope she does prison time.

[Weekend Warrior]

50. Only small thinker claim it was an election...

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Where one represented the status quo. Unfortunatley, their words carry weight and very flaky voters buy it. Same with the both parties are the same argument.

Her rehashing of the primaries is weak, at best. Jane, we all want this investigation to speed up.

Jane Sanders pushing the Clinton email story on Fox News.

“"We want to let it go through without politicizing it, and then we’ll find out what the situation is. And that’s how we still feel," Sanders said. "I mean, it would be nice if the FBI moved it along," she added, with a laugh.”

https://m.

[Mike Nelson]

51. Umm...

...the Electoral College elected Trump... but the "American People" voted for Hillary. And, unlike Gore-Bush, it wasn't close. The American People wanted a continuation of Obama's policies and values.

[JNelson6563]

54. I read facts of that case long after primary.

I was neutral in the primary, FYI.

Still the facts of that situation are pretty sketchy and I don't think it will end as Jill thinks. Some unfortunate choices made there that are pretty questionable.

[lapucelle]

55. Jill and Jane are two different people. Typo?

[JNelson6563]

66. Yep, typo.

[ecstatic]

57. If the quotes are accurate, that's a disgusting allegation she made.

NOBODY is above the law. Not Trump, and not Jane Sanders.

The investigation centers on the 2010 land purchase that relocated Burlington College to a new campus on more than 32 acres along Lake Champlain. While lining up a $6.7 million loan and additional financing, Jane Sanders told college trustees and lenders that the college had commitments for millions of dollars in donations that could be used to repay the loan, according to former trustees and state officials.

Trustees said they later discovered that many of the donors had not agreed to the amounts or the timing of the donations listed on documents Jane Sanders provided to a state bonding agency and a bank. That led to her resignation in 2011 amid complaints from some trustees that she had provided inaccurate information, former college officials said.

The land deal, the officials said, became a financial albatross for the 160-student school, contributing to its closure last year.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/federal-prosecutors-step-up-probe-of-land-deal-pushed-by-wife-of-bernie-sanders/2017/07/10/

[phleshdef]

63. They aren't accurate. Its a lie.

[VermontKevin]

70. See post #69. I think you are accusing me of lying because you are mistaken as to which loan

is under investigation.

[phleshdef]

74. No you just lack reading comprehension.

[VermontKevin]

81. In post #69, I prove that you are talking about the wrong loan.

As I indicated, you seem to be talking about the Catholic Church loan, not the People's Bank one.

[JI7]

58. what does Obama have to do with this

isn't this a state issue ?

[VermontKevin]

60. The investigations were begun in late 2015/early 2016 under the Obama FDIC and and FBI/DOJ.

To claim that they are "politically motivated" suggests a monumental conspiracy of Obama-era and career law-enforcement officials that now involves an 18 month investigation and a grand jury.

It is not a state issue. The loan in question was FDIC insured. The other loan with the Catholic Church, which Republican operatives have shown interest in, is not federally-insured.

[JI7]

67. but this doesn't mean Obama or any President themselves have to do with it. just look at Comey

and what he did to CLinton. and that wasn't something ordered by Obama.

and trump fired comey for not doing what he wanted.

[phleshdef]

62. The OP is a LIE and should be deleted. She never said Obama's FDIC...

...she is talking about the current chairman of the GOP in Vermont who made this thing a "thing".

[VermontKevin]

69. You are accusing me of lying because you are mistaken.

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Ms. Sanders is not under investigation for the defaulted loan from the Catholic Church to Burlington College. That is what the Chairman of the GOP in Vermont wrote to the US Attorney General about. As far as we know, those letters generated no investigation into that loan.

Her actions under investigation concern the People's Bank loan. That investigation by the FDIC OIG was triggered by auditing and reporting.

Why are you conflating the two loans?

[BainsBane]

65. Jesus

SMH.

[NurseJackie]

68. I know, right?

Also, SMH.

[VermontKevin]

71. It was an interesting interview. I think the interviewer was

skilled.

[Starry Messenger]

73. What was Bernie's plan for beating voter suppression in the GE, that was in play in WI & MI?

He was so great at stuff like making sure his voters were registered in the primaries, I'm sure they had big plans afoot.

[Demsrule86]

75. Looking at the situation dispassionately I don't see how she comes out of this in a positive way...

I only know what I read in the papers...but she took a mortgage out in the school's name using criteria that was incorrect...this is a federal offense...and I totally don't believe and resent the implication that Pres. obama sicked the FDIC on her...that is total bullshit and shows a complete lack of understanding or a deliberate attempt to mislead on how these things work...There is no reason it should take a long time:pretty cut and dried. She lawyered up and that is probably a good thing. I hate to see any prominent progressive under investigation for anything. So let's hope this turns out OK...she should not blame president Obama however. That is a cheap shot.

[VermontKevin]

89. Sanders tried to sell to a "financial services firm" to pay the debt less than a year into the loan

original deal. This seems to be after the initial default of both loans, and shortly before she left.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/2017/07/31/burlington-college-considered-selling-land-within-year-deal/520418001/

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3898403-Jane-O-Meara-Sanders-Final-Memo-to-Burlington.html

It's not a bad financial plan, but I don't think it was brought up st the time of securing the loan.

[Demsrule86]

90. Some would call it fraud...you can not lie on mortgage documents ...or even be 'wrong'. I have no

what she was thinking...if what I read is true...bad for us politically.

[delisen]

79. Brady Toensing, Vermont Republican

is Sanders accuser.

He is the lawyer son of Victoria Toensing, Republican lawyer of infamy in the impeachment of President Bill Clinton.

It must be like a family business.

If B Sanders had gotten the Democratic nomination this charge and probably lots of slander and libel were awaiting.

Opposition research on Sanders was probably extensive and are sitting on computers.

This Toensing may have decided it will help his career in Vermont to make use of some of it.

Some of the Toensing/DiGenova handiwork from the past:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/couple022798.htm

[VermontKevin]

80. You are accusing the Obama FDIC/DOJ of something absolutely wild.

Toensing, a gadfly, wrote two letters regarding the defaulted Catholic Church loan to the AG of Vermont. This was not a federally-insured loan.

You are suggesting that those two letters prompted the AG of Vermont to get the FDIC OIG to investigate a completely different loan. The defaulted People's Bank loan. Those letters prompted an 18 month investigation and a grand jury according to your claim.

I suggest Occam's Razor rather than the conspiracy theory that would seem to require a time machine.

[delisen]

86. You have mis-read my post. I have not accused

the Obama administration of anything. I have not addressed any federal investigation or grand jury issues.

If you think I have, you are mistaken.

If you need assistance in understanding my statements about use of opposition research, libel, slander, of the history of the Toesing family's work with the Republican Party, I will assist you as best I can.

[VermontKevin]

87. So you agree with me that Toesnsing is a gadfly, and the federal investigation originated not from

his irrelevant letters but from the most logical source?

[delisen]

91. Have no idea-you are debating yourself.