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Active shooter Mandalay Bay Casino Las Vegas... (Original Post) PoiBoy Oct 2017 OP
Here's a link to a local station that's live streaming. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2017 #1
Scanner melman Oct 2017 #2
Listening now. Eko Oct 2017 #25
Holy Shit! Leith Oct 2017 #3
It Was the Route 91 Country Music Festival Leith Oct 2017 #9
Jason Aldean was performing when gunfire started. bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #28
With all the cameras around Las Vegas, how does one get to that sort of vantage point... TomCADem Oct 2017 #4
Working theory right now is that they checked in as guests... PoiBoy Oct 2017 #55
Yahoo!! Just Like The Ol' West SoCalMusicLover Oct 2017 #5
This sounds really bad melman Oct 2017 #6
The stream you posted is reporting bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #7
MSNBC live stream bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #8
Witnesses tell me people were getting shot around them #LasVegas bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #10
Why do they show his face and her chest the whole time? BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #24
No tripod? bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #26
Perhaps the cameraman films the chest it might help him get a tripod. TheBlackAdder Oct 2017 #52
Dear God.....active shooter also at NYNY per scanner n/t rainbow4321 Oct 2017 #11
Confirmed bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #15
cosmo and a few others too FreeState Oct 2017 #31
CONFIRMED first hand: My son in law is boarding up the doors Nevernose Oct 2017 #38
two videos melman Oct 2017 #12
Sounds like a war zone... yuiyoshida Oct 2017 #53
That wasn't a semi auto, it was a full automatic weapon. herding cats Oct 2017 #60
Yeah, that wasn't a civilian gun. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #64
they have kits Eko Oct 2017 #66
It didn't sound like a "bump-fire" AR-15 - it sounds like a 7.62 Russian style clatter nt NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #71
With around a 30 round clip. nt herding cats Oct 2017 #75
There are without a doubt kits out there for full auto Eko Oct 2017 #83
It actually takes more than a kit to convert a civilian weapon. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #87
The way those kits work is by bumping your finger on the trigger via the recoil. herding cats Oct 2017 #93
Sure, Eko Oct 2017 #95
I'm sorry. That predates me, and I don't know anything about it. herding cats Oct 2017 #102
Stupid details for us to be talking about anyway. Eko Oct 2017 #105
According to the Washington Post, it was an AK-47 style gun NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #116
No, it wasn't. Of this I'm sadly sure. herding cats Oct 2017 #67
full auto.... large caliber pfitz59 Oct 2017 #79
Yep. I'd bet money on that. herding cats Oct 2017 #80
Think so too, how the hell does someone get an yuiyoshida Oct 2017 #99
I don't know. herding cats Oct 2017 #103
Fox Channel 5 Shows People Trying to Escape Leith Oct 2017 #13
The News Station From Link Above...."Many Fatalities Reported" nt SoCalMusicLover Oct 2017 #14
Video from the concert bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #16
Sounds like fully automatic weapons. n/t LuckyCharms Oct 2017 #40
Looks really bad. bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #41
Video made my hair stand up. Horrifying. n/t LuckyCharms Oct 2017 #42
More videos bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #50
Yes videohead5 Oct 2017 #61
It was. herding cats Oct 2017 #62
Holy hell! The sound of automatic gun fire can be clearly heard in this video. bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #17
There were three separate times you could hear it. BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #20
Move to the sticks bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #23
Or just my neighborhood in Las Vegas Nevernose Oct 2017 #34
I hope and pray they are safe. bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #36
Got a mass text from daughters husband Nevernose Oct 2017 #43
Lol. cwydro Oct 2017 #59
Yeah. MSNBC has it but only plays the first burst. If only they would stop for a minute and play it. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #48
I got pissed off when the guy kept talking over the sound of shooting BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #56
Oh, no! herding cats Oct 2017 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author melman Oct 2017 #19
Damn... nmgaucho Oct 2017 #21
Video Clips on TV Leith Oct 2017 #22
All three are confirmed? herding cats Oct 2017 #30
Listen to the scanner in this thread and you'll hear how bad this is going to be. bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #37
Yeah, I started listening after I posted this. It's chaos. herding cats Oct 2017 #45
Def Mandalay and NYNY Nevernose Oct 2017 #44
Thank you. herding cats Oct 2017 #46
Very bad. Multiple sites possible. n/t LuckyCharms Oct 2017 #27
BREAKING: @msnbc @News3LV, citing PD sources, report mass shooting. 2 suspects, many victims, bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #29
#BREAKING: PARAMEDICS BEING SHOT AT AT THE TROPICANA! bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #32
Gun fire from the NYNY parking lot Nevernose Oct 2017 #33
Images from the active shooter scene so far around Tropicana and Las Vegas Boulevard bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #35
#BREAKING: Dispatch to Officer about to enter The Paris where shots are being fired: be safe on bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #39
one suspect down in Mandalay Bay tenderfoot Oct 2017 #47
25+ Dead SoCalMusicLover Oct 2017 #49
Officially still 2 dead, 24 wounded Nevernose Oct 2017 #70
Irresponsible to keep stating that without confirmation. cwydro Oct 2017 #104
Horrible video NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #51
Surreal melman Oct 2017 #54
Looking at twitter and listening to police radio, it appears the shooter was on a balcony. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #57
Can you tell if it's multiple guns? Nevernose Oct 2017 #58
Police chatter indicated that the shooter was on a balcony. NutmegYankee Oct 2017 #63
My ears just couldn't tell from the video Nevernose Oct 2017 #68
I think it's starting to shape up like one maniac shooting off a balcony. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #69
Christ I hope so Nevernose Oct 2017 #73
My friend messaged me from Wynn. He sounded like he's on the other end. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #77
That should be safe Nevernose Oct 2017 #84
The scene on MSNBC seems more like a crime scene than an active shooter. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #90
Terrorist analyst on MSNBC said it was the sound of a sub-machine gun. n/t bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #81
But at one point it sounds like 2-3 at once Nevernose Oct 2017 #86
- Bigredhunk Oct 2017 #65
Holy hell! romanic Oct 2017 #72
Report of one possible suspect in custody in connection with shooting in Las Vegas, and @MandalayBay bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #74
#BREAKING: Police taking three women in custody behind CVS. bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #76
One lady on stage 45 mins before shooting Nevernose Oct 2017 #89
WTF bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #91
A Concert Goer Was Interviewed on the Street Leith Oct 2017 #114
What you just said is on the Twitter. bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #94
SWAT is sweeping adjacent hotels Nevernose Oct 2017 #78
Las Vegas shooting witness: "One guy ended up dying in my arms" bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #82
Still hearing gunshots, now from another direction. bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #85
Cops JUST announced only one shooter Nevernose Oct 2017 #88
She's an EP for ABC. n/t bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #92
Don't trust twitter. joshcryer Oct 2017 #98
I trust Twitter bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #106
Well the police just chastized people for saying there were multiple shooters... joshcryer Oct 2017 #109
Those accounts came from the police scanners. bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #110
Seems to be the most popular reason people post on message boards. LanternWaste Oct 2017 #115
Tragic video of people being rescued with fencing as gurneys: joshcryer Oct 2017 #96
That was one of the most depressing videos I've seen so far from Vegas. bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #107
How horrible, I just have no words left. 58Sunliner Oct 2017 #97
Link to BBC live thread nitpicker Oct 2017 #100
A friend of mind just posted pfitz59 Oct 2017 #101
20 dead 100 plus injured per CNN bench scientist Oct 2017 #108
This is chilling: "you're all going to die tonight" demmiblue Oct 2017 #111
Shooter identified spinbaby Oct 2017 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author demmiblue Oct 2017 #113

Leith

(7,813 posts)
3. Holy Shit!
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 02:02 AM
Oct 2017

I have the TV on (I live in Clark County).

I will give updates from CBS Channel 8 as I hear it.

There are 3 ambulances on screen right now. People interviewed said that an officer was down and being tended to.

It was near Mandalay Bay, but at a musical festival nearby.

Leith

(7,813 posts)
9. It Was the Route 91 Country Music Festival
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 02:10 AM
Oct 2017

Apparently the shots were coming from Mandalay Bay towards the festival. People were told to stay inside at the Tropicana (across the street). Others took refuge in an airplane hangar (the airport is also across the street).

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
4. With all the cameras around Las Vegas, how does one get to that sort of vantage point...
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 02:03 AM
Oct 2017

...without being caught? Particularly if you have a bunch of guns and ammunition?

PoiBoy

(1,542 posts)
55. Working theory right now is that they checked in as guests...
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 02:58 AM
Oct 2017

..staged in their room on the 32nd floor and opened fire from there... across the street into the concert venue... on video the gunshots sound like heavy weapons...








Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
38. CONFIRMED first hand: My son in law is boarding up the doors
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 02:37 AM
Oct 2017

He works for Cirque at NYNY. Opened fire on the evacuating theater crowd. He responded by boarding up the doors. Now boarding up ALL the doors

Eko

(7,371 posts)
83. There are without a doubt kits out there for full auto
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:32 AM
Oct 2017

And if you can tell 7.62 from 5.56 from a video with horrible video with horrible audio you are the man. We also have 7.62 military rifles, the AR10, the M14, and the m1918.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
87. It actually takes more than a kit to convert a civilian weapon.
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:37 AM
Oct 2017

You would have to machine the receiver.

As for telling weapons apart, they each have a different pitch and firing rate based on their design. I'll grant you that the video quality is poor, and I am clearly expressing my opinion on the sound. I may be completely wrong.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
93. The way those kits work is by bumping your finger on the trigger via the recoil.
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:45 AM
Oct 2017

It's not as seamless and quick as a real full auto. They're terrible, and stilll lethal as hell, but it's not usually as seamless sounding as this was.

I'm not trying to be an asshole here, but that sounded to me like a full auto, high caliber, high capacity rifle. My personal opinion, but that's what I suspect I heard. Of course, I could be wrong but I have heard full auto weapons too many times before in my life, so I could well be right, too.

Eko

(7,371 posts)
95. Sure,
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:50 AM
Oct 2017

and the mid 80's m16 receivers that will make it full auto are still out there for sale, legally and illegally. I don't think the people that did this care about being legal.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
102. I'm sorry. That predates me, and I don't know anything about it.
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 04:13 AM
Oct 2017

I'm not a gun enthusiast who keeps a mental index of such things. I just know what I thought I heard based on my personal experience.

i suppose we'll all know what it was tomorrow. I will say the shooter took a really long time to change clips. To me it didn't feel like they were overly skilled in what they were doing, which is a damn good thing I suppose.

I'm mentally drained, it's late for me here, and I have to work tomorrow. I'm not trying to avoid further discussion tonight, but I do have to remove myself now. I'll be back tomorrow if you want to talk more.


NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
116. According to the Washington Post, it was an AK-47 style gun
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 05:22 PM
Oct 2017

"One of the weapons he apparently used in the attack was an AK-47-style rifle, with a stand used to steady it for firing, these people said.

The Russian/Chinese AKs just have that distinctive clatter.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
67. No, it wasn't. Of this I'm sadly sure.
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:16 AM
Oct 2017

Those poor people. There were supposed to be 30K or so people at that concert tonight.

Leith

(7,813 posts)
13. Fox Channel 5 Shows People Trying to Escape
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 02:13 AM
Oct 2017

It's all very hectic and chaotic, people are crying, helping each other get up, trying to stay down.

It's a little too sensationalistic to me and half the screen is blocked by a bag or something.

Edited: people are hunkering down at the MGM Grand! That's a block up and kitty corner across the street.

People heard rapid gunfire.

videohead5

(2,181 posts)
61. Yes
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:09 AM
Oct 2017

That was my first thought.it sounds like a machine gun.they are against the law and are not manufactured anymore.some collectors have them but they have to be registered with the ATF.

BigmanPigman

(51,640 posts)
20. There were three separate times you could hear it.
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 02:24 AM
Oct 2017

I never would've thought of it being a gun if I had been there. I never heard gunfire in person. The people on the video seemed to know right away.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
34. Or just my neighborhood in Las Vegas
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 02:33 AM
Oct 2017


I'm making jokes, but am absolutely terrified for many friends and family right there.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
43. Got a mass text from daughters husband
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 02:43 AM
Oct 2017

He's boarding up the NYNY; shooter tried to enter from garage as audience was evacuating. Daughter talked to him for longer.

Everybody else, including him, are probeay too busy to make me feel better. It's weird being scared for my kid's mom, a casino security guard and genuinely a terrible shot. Like the living embodiment of Barney Fife. I hate her guts PASSIONATELY and haven't been with her in 17 years. It's weird how much I'm emotionally invested in her continued existence.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,347 posts)
48. Yeah. MSNBC has it but only plays the first burst. If only they would stop for a minute and play it.
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 02:50 AM
Oct 2017

3 distinct long bursts. Probably a whole magazine each.

BigmanPigman

(51,640 posts)
56. I got pissed off when the guy kept talking over the sound of shooting
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:01 AM
Oct 2017

which he was telling us to listen to. I yelled, "THEN SHUT THE HELL UP!".

Response to PoiBoy (Original post)

Leith

(7,813 posts)
22. Video Clips on TV
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 02:26 AM
Oct 2017

Definitely automatic gunfire.

For those familiar with Las Vegas, affected casinos are Mandalay Bay, Tropicana, New York New York (I haven't heard about the Luxor or Excaliber).

Interviewee on TV said that his friend witnessed a woman next to him shot in the head.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
45. Yeah, I started listening after I posted this. It's chaos.
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 02:46 AM
Oct 2017

All I can say is I'm grateful everyone I know in LV is fine tonight. My heart breaks for those who aren't as fortunate as I was tonight.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
44. Def Mandalay and NYNY
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 02:46 AM
Oct 2017

I'm getting texts and social media updates dribbling in, and those two casinos are physically linked by the Luxor and Excalibur--we begin our Sunday morning walks almost every week in Mandalay because we can go almost theee miles in AC (important in August).

 

bathroommonkey76

(3,827 posts)
29. BREAKING: @msnbc @News3LV, citing PD sources, report mass shooting. 2 suspects, many victims,
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 02:30 AM
Oct 2017

several confirmed fatal


Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
33. Gun fire from the NYNY parking lot
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 02:32 AM
Oct 2017

Cirque do Sole was evacuating, gunfire began, crowd came back in.

My SiL is crew; Cirque is literally boarding up all entrances to properties on that end of the Strip.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
70. Officially still 2 dead, 24 wounded
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:19 AM
Oct 2017

12 of those critical.

But those might just be numbers from the concert, not from within the hotel (there were rumors that either the shooter started there or there was a 2nd shooter).

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
104. Irresponsible to keep stating that without confirmation.
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 04:26 AM
Oct 2017

CNN reporting two dead at this point.

I won't be surprised to hear of more fatalities, but it's simply irresponsible to keep saying that.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
54. Surreal
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 02:57 AM
Oct 2017

It's hard even believe. Even with all the times this kind of thing has happened before it's just...hard to believe.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
57. Looking at twitter and listening to police radio, it appears the shooter was on a balcony.
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:01 AM
Oct 2017

He fired into the crowd from above.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
68. My ears just couldn't tell from the video
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:17 AM
Oct 2017

I want to say yes, but the likelihood of an echo off those buildings or concrete is pretty high. There are also reports made of bodies in the lobby, and an eyewitness at the NYNY told me there was a shooter from the area of the parking garage.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,347 posts)
69. I think it's starting to shape up like one maniac shooting off a balcony.
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:17 AM
Oct 2017

I wonder if victims taking shelter in other hotels caused more 911 calls and reports of multiple shooters.

I could be completely wrong

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
73. Christ I hope so
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:24 AM
Oct 2017

Both my relatives and the stagehands union are ordered to lock down. Cirque du Soleil and other live shows boarded up the entrances like a zombie movie. Guests are locked in their rooms, with cops and armed guards in the elevators and stairwells. SWAT is on scene in full possible force.

And the north end of the Strip? Business as usual, folks! If it's only a flesh wound, come on down to the Stratosphere!

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,347 posts)
77. My friend messaged me from Wynn. He sounded like he's on the other end.
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:27 AM
Oct 2017

I've never been so I'm not familiar with the lay out

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
84. That should be safe
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:33 AM
Oct 2017

Unless he eats dinner at the Picasso...that's a bankruptcy waiting to happen. It's a funny story I'll tell when people stop getting shot.

It's a couple miles down the road, and multiple very large casinos are in between your friend and the "action."

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,347 posts)
90. The scene on MSNBC seems more like a crime scene than an active shooter.
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:40 AM
Oct 2017

I'm sure they are still sweeping but it looks under control

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
86. But at one point it sounds like 2-3 at once
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:35 AM
Oct 2017

Of course, the UT shooter did the same thing -- multiple guns -- just to make it seem like there were multiple shooters.

Bigredhunk

(1,351 posts)
65. -
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:15 AM
Oct 2017

That guy's IG (vincestagramen) - "Who the F shoots up (this country music festival)?"...

Who the F shoots up anything/anywhere??

 

bathroommonkey76

(3,827 posts)
76. #BREAKING: Police taking three women in custody behind CVS.
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:26 AM
Oct 2017

#BREAKING: Police taking three women in custody behind CVS. It’s unclear if they are suspects in shooting. Officers saying they match description of “suspicious” people.


Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
89. One lady on stage 45 mins before shooting
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:40 AM
Oct 2017

And screamed "You're all going to die tonight!" Interviews with multiple witnesses confirm, but don't know if related. Also might just be uncooperative.

Leith

(7,813 posts)
114. A Concert Goer Was Interviewed on the Street
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 11:52 AM
Oct 2017

She said it.

She was in Vegas for her 21st birthday celebration. She's never going to forget it.

Edited to add: See demmiblue's post number 111 for the clip. That's the one I saw on local TV last night.

I've been reading reports about tweets from local reporters and what the police scanners have said, and they seem unnecessarily sensationalistic. I'm guessing that people freaked out, called police about a gunman on the New York New York escalator, etc., which means that it was called in to police/911. They didn't amount to much (according to what we know as of 9:00 am PST).

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
78. SWAT is sweeping adjacent hotels
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:27 AM
Oct 2017

Releasing people as they go. The NYNY is mostly open for running away from, as are the MGM and Tropicana

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
88. Cops JUST announced only one shooter
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:37 AM
Oct 2017

And he's dead/down. So that might be some bad info.

Or a jumpy cop, or the bomb squad is doing some controlled demolitions as we speak. But shouldn't be more shots.

 

bathroommonkey76

(3,827 posts)
106. I trust Twitter
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 04:30 AM
Oct 2017

Certain accounts should be questioned/verified.

How about you keep not trusting Twitter for everyone who doesn't want to trust Twitter.

joshcryer

(62,277 posts)
109. Well the police just chastized people for saying there were multiple shooters...
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 04:43 AM
Oct 2017

...and that there was still stuff going on after the fact.

So I think I was right on that one.

 

bathroommonkey76

(3,827 posts)
110. Those accounts came from the police scanners.
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 04:45 AM
Oct 2017

Twitter users were going by what they were communicating. Happens every time during a crisis.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
115. Seems to be the most popular reason people post on message boards.
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 11:56 AM
Oct 2017

"So I think I was right on that one..."

Unfortunately, that seems to be the most popular reason people post on message boards. We are often too far entertained by the sound of our own guesses, regardless of chastisement.

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
100. Link to BBC live thread
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 04:07 AM
Oct 2017

Http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-41466148

(snip)

Posted at 3:32

Here's what we know so far

• At least two people have been killed and 24 others wounded after a gunman opened fire at an open-air country music festival at the Mandalay Bay Hotel in Las Vegas.
• 14 of the wounded are in "a critical condition", according to a spokeswoman for the University Medical Center hospital.
• The shooting took place at around 22:30 (05:30 GMT) on Sunday.
• Hundreds of people fled the scene where the sound of what appeared to be prolonged automatic gunfire could be heard.
• Police say one suspect is "down".
• Flights have been diverted from Las Vegas McCarran airport while the incident continues.
(snip)

pfitz59

(10,400 posts)
101. A friend of mind just posted
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 04:10 AM
Oct 2017

Two of HIS friends were at the show. Both were shot, one in the arm, the other a leg. No further word on their condition.

Response to PoiBoy (Original post)

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