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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 09:56 AM Sep 2017

Trump's Lame, Delayed Puerto Rico Response Is an Impeachable Offense

By treating that territory as if it were a foreign country and delaying a massive federal response to the disaster, Trump broke his oath of office, in my opinion. He did not even mention the disaster immediately, and delayed lifesaving measures for U.S. Citizens in a U.S. territory. While U.S. Citizens in Puerto Rico were crying out for help, Donald Trump was stirring up hatred about sports figures protesting unneeded deaths of people of color at the hands of police. He ignored Puerto Ricans who were suffering. They're people of color, too. Shameful!

Impeach Trump Now!

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Trump's Lame, Delayed Puerto Rico Response Is an Impeachable Offense (Original Post) MineralMan Sep 2017 OP
I wish we could retroactively impeach him. liberalmuse Sep 2017 #1
Absolutely. dalton99a Sep 2017 #2
We actually treat foreign Countries better sometimes genxlib Sep 2017 #3
Dump treats Russia better than America Dopers_Greed Sep 2017 #20
Because to him MFM008 Sep 2017 #4
Katrina heaven05 Sep 2017 #5
The response shows incompetence but that is not an impeachable offense in and of itself. Trust Buster Sep 2017 #6
Clearly, I disagree. MineralMan Sep 2017 #7
As a matter of law, it is not an impeachable offense, your passion aside. Trust Buster Sep 2017 #9
that is false. unblock Sep 2017 #14
Congress will never impeach him for this. Therefore, given your description, it is not an Trust Buster Sep 2017 #16
Congress may not impeach this President. That has nothing whatever to MineralMan Sep 2017 #22
Okay, I put up the white flag. If you wish to think that Trump will be impeached over Puerto Rico, Trust Buster Sep 2017 #32
I never said that he WILL be impeached. MineralMan Sep 2017 #34
*this* congress won't impeach him, but they won't impeach him for many "impeachable offenses" unblock Sep 2017 #30
Yet another example of unfit for office. What's missing isn't the unfit Hortensis Sep 2017 #10
Only the House of Representatives decides what constitutes an impeachable offence Kaleva Sep 2017 #23
Impeachable offenses are political. joshcryer Sep 2017 #37
We sent 20,000 troops to Haiti, 4000 initially to PR. Sure, it could be considered Hortensis Sep 2017 #8
WH admin are trying to re-write this narrative... HipChick Sep 2017 #11
Dotard cares about one person, and that's Dotard. Still In Wisconsin Sep 2017 #12
True. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2017 #18
He waited a WEEK before he even ACKNOWLEDGED it. Doreen Sep 2017 #13
And don't forget the pathetic way he finally acknowledged it. calimary Sep 2017 #21
Yup, that too. Doreen Sep 2017 #28
Yet he SAYS every thing is just fine! And the MSM and many people will logosoco Sep 2017 #15
MM you are right! This is so despicable. Words fail. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #17
K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #19
I hope we can Kick and Rec his ass out office Hekate Sep 2017 #24
Unfortunately, that will not suffice, I'm afraid. MineralMan Sep 2017 #26
As if we need MORE reasons to impeach this orange jackass. Lil Missy Sep 2017 #25
The more the merrier, I always say. MineralMan Sep 2017 #27
Then why wasn't Bush impeached for Katrina? nt B2G Sep 2017 #29
There is obviously a difference between committing an impeachable offense MineralMan Sep 2017 #31
What we really need are woodshed offenses ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #33
If I had a dollar for every Trump impeachable offense Amishman Sep 2017 #35
LOL! Agreed. MineralMan Sep 2017 #36
From Betty Bowers Gothmog Sep 2017 #38
I just posted an OP with this title from Wash Post. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #39
Thank you for doing that, and thank the Washington Post, too! MineralMan Oct 2017 #40

genxlib

(5,528 posts)
3. We actually treat foreign Countries better sometimes
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 10:15 AM
Sep 2017
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029649412

That is an important story and would like to see it bumped. It really establishes what Trump's response should have looked like
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
5. Katrina
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 10:49 AM
Sep 2017

same thing with another dipshit repthugliKKKan. But in both cases, majority #of POC were suffering so no big deal to them......the racist hypocrisy of these white people in charge is getting to be overwhelming.....really

unblock

(52,243 posts)
14. that is false.
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 11:31 AM
Sep 2017

first, the more snarky interpretation of impeachable offense is simply anything congress decides is an impeachable offense. congress might well have impeached a president hillary for not saying "radical islamic terrorism" during the whole benghazi thing.

second, from wiki (i know, not the greatest legal authority, but still):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_crimes_and_misdemeanors

The charge of high crimes and misdemeanors covers allegations of misconduct peculiar to officials, such as perjury of oath, abuse of authority, bribery, intimidation, misuse of assets, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct, and refusal to obey a lawful order. Offenses by officials also include ordinary crimes, but perhaps with different standards of proof and punishment than for nonofficials, on the grounds that more is expected of officials by their oaths of office.


either way congress would be well within it rights to impeach for this.

in practice, not gonna happen, but "as a matter of law", it most certainly is an impeachable offense.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
16. Congress will never impeach him for this. Therefore, given your description, it is not an
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 11:49 AM
Sep 2017

Impeachable offense by definition. Look, I can't stand the con artist either, but, unrealistic goals will not further our mission IMO.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
22. Congress may not impeach this President. That has nothing whatever to
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 12:21 PM
Sep 2017

do with whether he has committed an impeachable offense. The offense and the impeachment are two different things. One is committed by an individual in power. The other is action that may or may not be taken by Congress.

You have confused parts of speech and the definitions of the words.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
32. Okay, I put up the white flag. If you wish to think that Trump will be impeached over Puerto Rico,
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:21 PM
Sep 2017

Then good luck to you with that. In the meantime, I'll stay focused on real issues.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
34. I never said that he WILL be impeached.
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:37 PM
Sep 2017

I said "Impeach Trump Now!" I think he SHOULD be impeached. There is a difference.

unblock

(52,243 posts)
30. *this* congress won't impeach him, but they won't impeach him for many "impeachable offenses"
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 01:07 PM
Sep 2017

they would not impeach him for obstruction of justice, they would not impeach him for perjury, they would not impeach him for having sex with an intern, they would not impeach him for cheating on his taxes.

that has doesn't have much to do with whether any of those acts are impeachable offenses.

they don't *want* to impeach him, but they certainly have *grounds* on which to base an impeachment *if* they wanted to. and that's what an impeachable offense is.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. Yet another example of unfit for office. What's missing isn't the unfit
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 11:15 AM
Sep 2017

president but a senate majority that is fit for office.

Kaleva

(36,307 posts)
23. Only the House of Representatives decides what constitutes an impeachable offence
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 12:25 PM
Sep 2017

High cimes and misdemeanors are whatever the House says they are.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
37. Impeachable offenses are political.
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 03:56 PM
Sep 2017

He could be impeached for rubbing his nose the wrong way if congress so deemed it.

This incompetency could easily be added to a list of his increased incompetency.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. We sent 20,000 troops to Haiti, 4000 initially to PR. Sure, it could be considered
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 11:13 AM
Sep 2017

an impeachable offense, but the senate caucus would have to do it and that would be problematic since they should be kicked out also for the very same reason.

Initial relief is going to be only the beginning of the GOP's unwillingness to meet the needs of these Americans in trouble. After all, aid to Puerto Rico is already a shining example to the elements of the GOP leadership and their dark-money backers of unjust exploitation of the deserving wealthy classes on behalf of undeserving working classes.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
12. Dotard cares about one person, and that's Dotard.
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 11:24 AM
Sep 2017

Everyone else can go to hell, whether is be Beavis or Butthead Trump, Ivahhhnka or Jahhhr-uhhd, the other daughter, Barron, or his "wife" Malaria. Brown people on an island? An island where Dotard doesn't own a hotel or golf club? Seriously, why would he care about them?

calimary

(81,304 posts)
21. And don't forget the pathetic way he finally acknowledged it.
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 12:17 PM
Sep 2017

Hey everybody! It's incredible! Did you know that Puerto Rico is an island! Surrounded by all this wet stuff, all around it! It's-incredible-it's-great-and-incredible-it's-tremendous-it's-great-and-incredible-and-it's-just-incredible! There's an ocean there! And we're doing a tremendous/great/incredible job! Believe me! This I can tell you!

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
31. There is obviously a difference between committing an impeachable offense
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 01:14 PM
Sep 2017

and being impeached, isn't there?

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
33. What we really need are woodshed offenses
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:35 PM
Sep 2017

When Dotard commits a woodshed offense, he gets taken out and spanked. To my mind, this type of punishment seems befitting a man-child. It is immediate and physical so the message is clear "You did something wrong!"

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