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obamanut2012

(26,154 posts)
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:31 PM Sep 2017

Hugh Hefner didn't create sexual freedom -- the birth control pill did

And, Roe vs. Wade.

That is the truth.

As well as women being given a bigger chance to work and be professionals who made enough money to have some financial autonomy.

It gave women freedom, instead of fear.

It wasn't Bill Cosby's good friend Hefner.

The praise of Hefner, ESPECIALLY ON HERE, is disgusting and shameful.

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Hugh Hefner didn't create sexual freedom -- the birth control pill did (Original Post) obamanut2012 Sep 2017 OP
No shit, hard to imagine any person would say he did. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #1
Uh huh. boston bean Sep 2017 #2
yuppers obamanut2012 Sep 2017 #3
Thank you. Nt raccoon Sep 2017 #4
Thank you! obamanut2012 Sep 2017 #8
Indeed! MineralMan Sep 2017 #5
Oh come on. Playboy absolutely had an impact on the culture. ImpeachTheGOP Sep 2017 #6
wrong -- he was depraved, and enabled Cosby obamanut2012 Sep 2017 #7
Maybe you should do a little research. ImpeachTheGOP Sep 2017 #12
"You're just being a player hater" obamanut2012 Sep 2017 #15
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #20
Hef's organization provided an amicus curiae brief for Roe v Wade Major Nikon Sep 2017 #23
You keep providing the balance. Thanks! n/t ms liberty Sep 2017 #32
the man was a creep Skittles Sep 2017 #24
k&r Starry Messenger Sep 2017 #9
xxx obamanut2012 Sep 2017 #16
K and R BadgerMom Sep 2017 #10
I graduated in 66. One year before the pill took effect on society. nt LAS14 Sep 2017 #11
K&R. Playboy certainly had an effect on the culture as a whole. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #13
Amen shenmue Sep 2017 #14
fuck Hef with Guccione's decomposed dick. paulkienitz Sep 2017 #17
*snort* smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #18
Great victories have many parents. Great defeats are orphans. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #19
So, there were pictures spike jones Sep 2017 #21
Hef made it safe to JUST READ the ARTICLES! 😜 WinkyDink Sep 2017 #22
Hef used his platform to promote social justice radius777 Sep 2017 #25
Perhaps. Xolodno Sep 2017 #26
Good riddence to that objectifying fuck. NT Adrahil Sep 2017 #27
Exactly! potone Sep 2017 #28
I credit penicillin tirebiter Sep 2017 #29
of course it is and reproductive rights is something we are still fighting for everyday JI7 Sep 2017 #30
come on now, it's not the Sandra Fluke's who fight for birth control access that deserve credit JI7 Sep 2017 #31
THANK YOU. seeing all the praise for this misogynistic prick has been sickening. niyad Sep 2017 #33

Eliot Rosewater

(31,125 posts)
1. No shit, hard to imagine any person would say he did.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:40 PM
Sep 2017

What the fuck is wrong with people?

Is misogyny that deeply rooted here?

 

ImpeachTheGOP

(89 posts)
6. Oh come on. Playboy absolutely had an impact on the culture.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:00 PM
Sep 2017

Not only with the sexual revolution and women's sexual freedom but on LGBT rights and marijuana legalization also. The politics in their editorials and articles were always progressive and the Playboy interviews weee always insightful must reads.


Nobody is perfect but trying to paint Hefner as some arch villain or depraved monster like Cosby is absurd. He was an icon of the twentieth century.

obamanut2012

(26,154 posts)
7. wrong -- he was depraved, and enabled Cosby
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:02 PM
Sep 2017

FACT.

You come on, and quit being an apologist.

Hefner and Playboy did not help the "sexual revolution" for women, and old Hef wasn't a friend of LGBT.

Ridic.

 

ImpeachTheGOP

(89 posts)
12. Maybe you should do a little research.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:23 PM
Sep 2017

Playboy had the first transsexual model back in the 90's and pushed for marriage equality long before it was mainstream.

You're just being a player hater.

obamanut2012

(26,154 posts)
15. "You're just being a player hater"
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:33 PM
Sep 2017

So obvious in many ways. Including crediting a sexist and misogynistic man for women and their sexual freedom.

And crediting a straight man for changing thoughts on marriage equality.

lulz

And telling a lesbian OP to do more research on feminism and LGBT equality.

You need to be a tad more subtle. THis isn;t even fun with you.
#byefelicia

Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #15)

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
23. Hef's organization provided an amicus curiae brief for Roe v Wade
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:19 PM
Sep 2017

He also used his publication as a strong advocate for both birth control and legal abortion.

Much will be said about Hugh Hefner’s legacy, the polarizing man who created Playboy in 1953 and who died Tuesday at age 91, but a largely unknown story is Hefner’s critical role in the fight for women’s reproductive rights. Playboy was the first major national consumer magazine to advocate for legal abortion on demand. Its coverage began in April of 1963 (before even Planned Parenthood joined the abortion-rights movement) when Sex and the Single Girl author Helen Gurley Brown responded to a question about abortion in an interview. “It’s outrageous that girls can’t be aborted here,” she said. “Abortion is just surrounded by all this hush-hush and horror, like insanity used to be.”

You’d assume that Playboy supported abortion rights only to mitigate the consequences of sexual freedom for men. But Playboy first wrote about abortion from a public-health standpoint, publishing letters from women that detailed the emotional and physical pain caused by botched and illegal abortions. Readers debated the issue of abortion in the Playboy Forum, the magazine’s current-events section. Over 350 letters about abortion appeared from 1963 to 1973; women wrote about a third. Many chose to remain nameless as they shared their gruesome stories.

https://www.thecut.com/2017/09/hugh-hefner-playboy-magazine-abortion-rights.html

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,453 posts)
13. K&R. Playboy certainly had an effect on the culture as a whole.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:25 PM
Sep 2017

Whether it was good for all women in the long run? Nope.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,047 posts)
19. Great victories have many parents. Great defeats are orphans.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:10 PM
Sep 2017

Hugh Hefner did play a role in greatly expanding what could be and what was published in the United States.

He was one of many who had a role in gaining (not creating) sexual freedom.

spike jones

(1,689 posts)
21. So, there were pictures
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:14 PM
Sep 2017

of nude women in his magazine!? I remember reading the cool interesting articles when in college, but I do not remember any nude pictures. How could I have missed that?

radius777

(3,635 posts)
25. Hef used his platform to promote social justice
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:02 PM
Sep 2017

and sexual freedom in a time when those things were still taboo in white American society.

He was a pioneer and a hero, IMO, and a Dem who supported Hillary where the majority of white women did not.

Xolodno

(6,406 posts)
26. Perhaps.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:28 PM
Sep 2017

But he sure is responsible for carpal tunnel syndrome.

But, he just died, plenty of time to debate his legacy once mourning is done....let him be stiff for awhile.

potone

(1,701 posts)
28. Exactly!
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 12:26 AM
Sep 2017

Thank you and thank you to the poster. He was no friend to women and his support for birth control and abortion was not for women's sake but for the sake of men who wanted to have women sexually available to them without the risk of having to take responsibility for the consequences of sexual intercourse: namely, pregnancy. Anyone who thinks that he helped to liberate women should stop and think about Playboy bunnies and the kind of misogynistic cartoons that were in Playboy magazine. And that is not even to address his personal lifestyle, which was anything but respectful to women.

The idea that he was some kind of liberator of women would be risible if it weren't so insulting.

JI7

(89,276 posts)
30. of course it is and reproductive rights is something we are still fighting for everyday
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:54 AM
Sep 2017

even if one likes Hefner it's BS to give him credit for it .

JI7

(89,276 posts)
31. come on now, it's not the Sandra Fluke's who fight for birth control access that deserve credit
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 03:05 AM
Sep 2017

but it's Rush Limbaugh wanting to see her in a sex video who is fighting for sexual liberation.

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