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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums** Breaking**NK says Trump declared war
North Korea asserts a right to shoot down U.S. bombers
By Carol Morello September 25 at 11:37 AM
North Koreas foreign minister on Monday asserted that the pariah state has the right to defend itself by shooting down U.S. planes, even if they are not in the countrys airspace.
Ri Yong Ho, speaking to reporters at a hotel across the street from the United Nations, said President Trumps comments at the General Assembly last week constituted a declaration of war.
The whole world should clearly remember it was the U.S. who first declared war on our country, he said. Since the United States declared war on our country, we will have every right to make countermeasures, including the right to shoot down United States strategic bombers even when they are not inside the airspace border of our country.
Ris remarks were the most direct and threatening so far since Trump gave a combative address to the General Assembly last week in which he threatened to totally destroy North Korea.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/north-korea-asserts-its-right-to-shoot-down-us-bombers/2017/09/25/74da66c4-a204-11e7-8cfe-d5b912fabc99_story.html?pushid=59c923b7d4ac501c0000005c&tid=notifi_push_breaking-news&utm_term=.e870feac00d7
** damn, his mouth is writing checks his ass can't cash. I knew this would happen**
Just hush Trump don't start shit. SHUT UP
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)sarisataka
(18,752 posts)Has the right to shoot down planes in international air space?
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)sarisataka
(18,752 posts)I replied to which stated " I don't think I can argue with that conclusion"
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)When you threaten someone they usually retaliate with a threat. that does not mean I agree with them shooting down planes.
sarisataka
(18,752 posts)But answering stupid with greater stupid will not help anything. If NK actually acted on their threat the US would be justified in attacking NK
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)I was referring to the conclusion that Trump has declared war on NK.
sarisataka
(18,752 posts)That power is reserved to Congress and is a specific legal act.
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)Do you really think he understands how it works? Really?
sarisataka
(18,752 posts)Of our Constitution is on our with Trump's. I have more hope that Kim can be educated.
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)equal knowledgeable.
sarisataka
(18,752 posts)And I hold little hope we can teach the WH occupant that China is and always has been the key to reigning in NK
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)When they allowed a president to declare war in Iraq. So yeah it can happen again
Voltaire2
(13,119 posts)NK is just responding in kind, threatening to retaliate in response to Trump's threat to eliminate their government.
Most likely an actual operation to do that would use air power. I
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)sarisataka
(18,752 posts)Between stupid words and actually taking aggressive action. So far it is all stupid words and hopefully empty bravado
Voltaire2
(13,119 posts)But from NK's perspective there is a very real fear of military action by the US. That is what they saw in Iraq and Libya, and that is why they are building nukes and working on a demonstrated capability to deliver those weapons via mobile long range missiles.
sarisataka
(18,752 posts)Barking while straining at its leash.
Until this administration the big dog has been wise enough and had enough self confidence to ignore it. Hopefully this cur can be kept distracted so he doesn't actually do anything stupid.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Small, yes. How many North Koreans are on our border? Who refuses to acknowledge the other country's right to exist? Who is flying stealth bombers -- quite possibly carrying nuclear bombs -- off the coast of the other one? How many countries has North Korea invaded since the war (and even "invasion" is debatable, since it was a civil war)?
North Korea: zero countries or carpet bombed. Not super aggressive, even including the occasional minor border spat that both groups of Koreans manage to stir up.
Since the Korean War, just off the top of my head, for America: Libya, Syria, Iraq, Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Yemen, Grenada, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Colombia, Macedonia, Haiti, Panama, Lebanon... And those are just the places where actual US troops went into combat. That's not counting the vast international garrisons or the countless CIA-backed military operations conducted by other people on American behalf. Does North Korea spend a ridiculous amount of their GDP on the military? Yep. About $20 billion a year -- or less than 5% of just our F-35's program budget.
It's the US that are the world's warmongers. Given our record, it would probably but stupider for them NOT to build nuclear missiles.
At the very least, the United States had no business involving ourselves, as we've long since lost any shred of moral authority or credibility.
sarisataka
(18,752 posts)To the citizens of South Korea if they think they were invaded in 1950.
I don't recall the US having any policy that NK should not exist. The North believes that there should be a united Korea, governed from Pyongyang of course.
Perhaps the presence of US troops and the risk of a wider war has dampened NK's desire to reunite with the South by any and all means.
Can we get opinions from the 200k residents of the camps at Kaechon, Yodok, Hwasong, and a dozen others... Concentration Camp is such a twentieth century term
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)And while we're soliciting opinions from inmates, perhaps we could ask the 80,000 or so in solitary confinement in American prisons? Or one of the thousands of American inmates who are brutalized in some form or fashion every day? Or maybe ask ourselves why we imprison more people per capita than North Korea does? The prison conditions in much of the developing world are just as bad, and yet we don't seem concerned; could the answer be because our motivation isn't actually moral, but political? We fucked up Iraq worse in twenty years than the Kim family did to their own country in 70 years, so why aren't people calling for an invasion of the US? How many people have starved to death in Yemen TODAY because of the US?
The United States lacks any and all moral authority in Korea. Hell, we propped up a repressive South Korean military dictatorship for forty years while screaming about "freedom" and bombing the holy living shit out of half the countries on the planet. The US is killing -- both directly and indirectly -- thousands of people across the globe every single day.
sarisataka
(18,752 posts)No issue with aggression as long as it is not the US.
Defering to North Korea on their 1950 invasion would be like asking Germany what did Poland do to provoke you...
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)NK knows they can't go around shooting our bombers in international airspace, but maybe we ought not try to cut it too closely if we are smart. This wouldn't be the first international incident started over a dispute as to whether aircraft was within 12 nautical miles of a country or had veered off course.
sarisataka
(18,752 posts)We give the Russian bombers that regularly fly up and down our coasts.
I don't know, not would I reveal, our operational orders for planes flying near NK airspace but I would hope we have a good safety cushion on that 12 mile limit to avoid any "accidents" because if we did cross NK can fire away...
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)waters.
It wouldn't surprise me if we were on them by the time they left their international waters and Trump would be wetting himself and telling all our white wing, civilian gunners to prepare to shoot down their planes with their AR15s.
sarisataka
(18,752 posts)NK has is the Il-28. It would need several refueling stops to reach the US coast
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)sarisataka
(18,752 posts)Pulling our coast watchers off duty
Bettie
(16,120 posts)and that it is one valid conclusion to draw from the Dotard's statements.
Did the Idiot in Chief mean that? How can anyone know what that orange blob of stupid means?
sarisataka
(18,752 posts)90% of his BS before it leaves his mouth. Unfortunately people hear 100% and have to try and filter what is his intention from a lot of noise
Voltaire2
(13,119 posts)still_one
(92,366 posts)hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Fuck! That means they may just start shooting down both commercial and military planes in South Korea, the Sea of Japan, almost anywhere in Asia for a start.
We have always been at war with Eastasia.
On edit: The foreign minister is still in the US, after the UN meetings last week. I wonder if he formally hand-delivered a Declaration of War?
Please Congress and Mr. Mueller, get a hook and drag that flaming a$$hole off the stage before he starts World War III, if he hasn't already gone and done it.
BigmanPigman
(51,623 posts)was on and I hate her. I read on the bottom of the screen "US is not at war with N Korea". I wondered what that was about.
nancy1942
(635 posts)Beausoleil
(2,845 posts)Kim knows this.
More bluster. Actually trying to set drumpf off.
Voltaire2
(13,119 posts)on many occasions without any declaration of war from congress. In fact we have basically been fighting a war somewhere since 1941, and there has only been one congressional declaration of war during that period.
So no there is no reason to believe that Trump has to get approval from congress before attacking North Korea.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Do you think Trump will do this. He's drooling to do this.
samnsara
(17,634 posts)Congress to begin impeachment hearings NOW!
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)This may get interesting.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)harun
(11,348 posts)NickB79
(19,258 posts)Lots of strikes by F-117 stealth fighters and B-2 stealth bombers to take out strategic weapon sites and anti-aircraft systems, followed by saturation bombing using B-1 and B-52 bombers. Very high chance NK gets at least 1 nuke, maybe more, airborne, in which case you can kiss a good portion of US military assets in South Korea goodbye. Seoul would be decimated by NK artillery even if they don't throw a nuke their way. Probably see strikes on Japan, either chemical or nuclear. A nuclear launch by NK would probably bring down a US tactical nuke on Pyongyang in response, pissing off the Russians and Chinese to no end.
Assuming WWIII doesn't break out, the best-case scenario is millions dead in North and South Korea within a few days, possibly hundreds of thousands dead and injured in Japan, radioactive fallout spreading throughout the region, and tens of millions of North Koreans either starving to death or making a desperate run for the Chinese border. Even odds whether China would let them through, or set up razor wire and machine gun nests. The loss of South Korea's economy and the drain on China's if they try to rebuild NK would cause a global economic crash, and the destruction of any goodwill we have left with China for causing them such grief.
In a perfect world, Trump would be impeached almost immediately and sent to prison for life, but these days, who knows?
gordianot
(15,242 posts)The B-2 is not needed and is a very expensive asset. Not to worry there are still many nasty surprises in the age of drones.
sarisataka
(18,752 posts)A wide spread strike on NK AA defenses, radar installations and headquarters.
Such a retaliation would pass with minimal condemnation from other countries an seriously increase the vulnerability of NK nuclear and missile programs
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)This is all insanity at its worst!
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)There is a truce in effect, but the war is still, officially, going on.
NickB79
(19,258 posts)Holy crap, that could be the loophole a lot of people in this thread didn't think of.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Yes, there was a cease fire agreement that is still in effect. NK "declared" war on SK and we intervened on their behalf per a UN declaration. Kim is limited in what he can do based upon the agreement that was signed in the '50s. Unless we violate that agreement, it is still in effect. If he violates it, then Trump would be relatively free to act within confines of the UN resolutions that are still in place.
Quite honestly, one of many mistakes we've made in the last 30 years or so was not addressing the nuclear problem with NK under the guise of "ending" the war between North and South Korea. With China's help, we could have arrange to remove our troops, end the DMZ region, and stabilized the Korea's. I suspect unfortunately, that the military preferred to be maintaining the presence there under this political cover, in order to have significant presence in the larger region.
Oneironaut
(5,522 posts)Does anyone really believe that NK is going to start shooting planes down in international territory? They aren't stupid.
If you listened to North Korea, we should have been nuked 100 times now. Their rhetoric is always over the top and silly.
Corey_Baker08
(2,157 posts)Unfortunately unlike Afghanistan & Iraq I strongly believe NK will attack the United States & territories with bombs & missiles...
Warpy
(111,327 posts)for over 50 years, so this headline in their newspaper is nothing terribly new.
What is new is having a malignant narcissist psycho in the WH who is going to blow a major gasket over it when some idiot tells him.