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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI think Jimmy Kimmel killed trumpuncare!
Thank you Jimmy!!
Man of good conscience all around good human being that guys is.
Wounded Bear
(58,662 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)sentiment most people have toward the issue and trump, but this took courage.
I have often said I never understood why he got his own show, never saw the talent, but I see it now.
I see someone who will not tolerate bullshit, thank god for Jimmy!
NCjack
(10,279 posts)Jimmy Kimmel !!!
peggysue2
(10,830 posts)But he put it on the line because he knows a little something about healthcare emergencies and was willing to step up for others. He deserves a hat tip for using that big platform he's afforded to speak the truth and do good. If the network tries to terminate him, I suspect you'll hear a huge howl from the public.
Good one on him.
mucifer
(23,549 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)But in all likelihood he changed it barely.
Girard442
(6,075 posts)samnsara
(17,622 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,316 posts)It will let the public see who's on their side and who is actively trying to kill them.
Promee
(69 posts)The GOP only wants to use Bernie to put socialized medicine on trial while avoiding talking about Graham-Cassidy and Bernie will be all too eager to oblige.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)He really doesn't know how to filter himself all that well and I'm afraid he'll forget about the ACA altogether. Or use it as the ugly opponent of universal health care which he's done in the past. Only never at such a crucial time for the ACA. I'm worried.
Capperdan
(492 posts)from the Dotard. While I am glad for comedic relief, I am prouder of Jimmy being authentically pissed off and showing human emotion and backbone.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)takes a jester.
MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)our truth tellers...
Expecting Rain
(811 posts)His humanity and compassion and understanding of the reality helped carry the day.
Thank you, Jimmy Kimmel. American hero.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)spiderpig
(10,419 posts)Even with the mess at the end over Best Picture.
I brought it up because Oscar hosts have been target practice for the press, and Jimmy did a great job.
Nothing compared to what he's doing now for health care.
I hadn't watched him before except excerpts on talk shows, but I am a huge fan now.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Capperdan
(492 posts)And I love that guy, too. My point was we need more than comedy on our side, which Jimmy Kimmel provides
lunasun
(21,646 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Gothmog
(145,297 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)And this isn't over until the votes are counted.
Very, very hopeful but you know the saying about counting chickens...
murielm99
(30,745 posts)His ratings will soar. That is what they care about.
I was never that interested in his show. We watch Colbert. We have been Tivoing Jimmy and will watch him now!
I don't doubt his talent. Seth is the one I don't like much. I have never found him funny, and I don't like his voice. That may sound picky, but I only spend so many hours a day watching TV. At least let me choose something I enjoy!
Bluepinky
(2,275 posts)We have a wealth of talent on our side, and the Repubs have.............the Koch brothers.
I think they are all great, each has his/her own style.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)get the network sued, I think they're okay with it.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)the deductibles for all the people who HAVE insurance but can't USE it?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)MichMary
(1,714 posts)anyone who thinks the ACA is some kind of panacea.
nini
(16,672 posts)There is room for improvement and I don't think anyone doesn't know that.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)I think I was better off before the ACA. Just sayin'.
nini
(16,672 posts)It's allowed a friend with an aortic aneurysm to be able to get care etc.. etc.. etc..
Your situation is one thing that needs to improve but I'll go in favor or those who wouldn't have been able to get any care at all right now.
George II
(67,782 posts)...they are much better off with the ACA.
Why do you seem so hell bent against the ACA?
I've never had children, from my own perspective I was much better off before our taxes were increased to pay for our school system and build a new school. But that's the price I pay for living in my town.
I live on a state road, the state paves, cleans, and plows our road. From my own perspective I'd be much better off without paying local taxes for our highway department. But that's the price to pay for living in my town.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And you may be paying higher premiums, but the protections you have under the ACA would go away if it was repealed.
Such as:
If you have an illness such as cancer, insurance companies cannot put a lifetime cap on what they will cover for your treatment.
Your insurance company must spend .85 of every premium dollar on actual health care.
Believe me - if the ACA is overturned, your premiums will skyrocket, and your benefits will decrease.
Me me me me. Me me me, me me me me me me.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)You can say what you "think," just as all the deluded right-wingers who think they hate it can, but that doesn't mean you are not all completely wrong. And that they at least are terribly wrong in wishing the ACA gone for others.
Unfortunately, the only way you can avoid have unlimited lifetime coverage for all medical conditions, including preexisting, is to not have any insurance at all or not seek medical treatment at all, but of course feel free to do either.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)Those are things Republicans say to attack it.
George II
(67,782 posts)...if anything?
MichMary
(1,714 posts)and the chronically ill, the ACA has a LOT of problems. I have posted before about this. $1700.00/month premium, no subsidy, $9000 deductible. "Choice" of ONE policy. Tell me how the ACA is so great.
Akoto
(4,266 posts)That's basically the sum up of the replacement.
The ACA has issues. It's a ship with holes, but it isn't yet sinking. The problems can be fixed, if we'd just give a genuine bipartisan effort targeting the problems to do so. That's what McCain wants, which is why he's voting no.
I'm sorry that you are having a worse time of it. As a disabled person who would be dead if the ACA were taken away this month (not a joke), I'm grateful for every day I have it.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)There MUST be a way to meet the needs of all of us. So far, the ACA isn't it, and none of the alternatives have been either.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)People in it get better or die getting quality care.
Healthy people go into a second pool built around preventative care. Rate in that should be very low.
Single Payer is the only single system option that accomplishes what the two above accomplish. You pay no premium, but maybe pay 5-10% more in taxes and you get full, no caps or deductible medical care when you need it and you would be required to get a free complete physical each year. To use numbers, you pay about $21,000 per year for healthcare now. If you make $100,000 and pay next $28,000 in taxes now, you would pay $31,000 max under Single Payer, but keep $18,000 in your pocket compared to what you pay now.
George II
(67,782 posts)...all states would open exchanges. There are some states with republican governors or legislatures that are looking to sabotage the ACA, and will manipulate the program to make it look (and be) bad.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)Well for MI, there are plenty of policies, lots of subsidies available and I've looked the marketplace, get my insurance there and have never even seen such a plan offered.
Works great for this michigander.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)was completely full of shit, we had only two plans available, and one of them didn't cover my doctors.
Not everyone is eligible for a subsidy. We would have to pay $1700 every month, to an insurance company, which is $$$$ that we would NOT be spending at local businesses--book stores, yarn shops, restaurants, clothing stores.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)marketplace.
I'm personally not eligible for a subsidy, and there are many, many plans available during the open enrollment period.
So you're upset about the ACA, but have never actually interacted with it.
Sign on to healthcare.gov, enter in your info and have a look around, I think you and your husband will be pleasantly surprised what options you have during the open enrollment period.
Nov 1st to December 15. Take a look again. There are people out there who are there to help you enroll. Depending on the level of coverage you and your husband want, you'll be saving a lot of money. Let me know if you'd like me to help connect you to someone who can help. I'd suggest you contact a different agent and ask them specifically about Michigan individual marketplace.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)dr. has come out against. Hospitals, doctors, AARP, nurses...ALL of them have come out against this horrible bill.
Kimmel, who recently had his baby saved through medical care, spoke out against denying all babies good care through access to affordable insurance. He's rich. He didn't have to do that. HE DID A GOOD THING. That's the point.
Kimmel did NOT say the ACA was the way to go. He just pointed out that this horrible bill does NOT give access to health care for newborns who need life saving care.
You're trying to change the subject. There are plenty of threads about the ACA. This isn't one of them.
Waiting to read you acknowledging that Kimmel did an altruistic thing in using his position to point out that Cassidy was lying, and that the new bill would not protect newborns' access to life saving care.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)One of the issues with the ACA is that really sick people should have gotten a seperate pool for them where they got care that they needed at a low rate, with tax dollars keeping their costs down.
The other pool would have been healthy people of all ages, with them grandfathered in once they were in, i.e. Could not be moved out into chronically ill pool if they developed an illness.
What happened before Obamacare is a LOT of very sick people went uninsured. When Obamacare passed, those people started getting healthcare for the first time, some did not know how to use it, like emergency rooms instead of PP with referrals.
Obamacare works best when people get on preventative medicine regimens, it is difficult for that to happen when millions of sick, previously uninsured people flood the system trying to get healthy.
Look, I feel for you, but your premium situation now is due to the fact that we had a really shitty healthcare system before Obamacare, a system that allowed millions of people to get sicker and sicker from things that could have been controlled and cheaper to treat.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Old Vet
(2,001 posts)If the republicans ram this terrible healthcare bill thru???
MichMary
(1,714 posts)a damn bit of good if they have to pay thousands of $$$ before their insurance kicks in.
nikatnyte
(242 posts)ACA would be much better a much better piece of legislation if the Dems weren't forced to concede so much to get it passed. But to just throw it out completely and turn it all over to the states? What about...oh, I don't know, just taking a stab in the dark here...a bipartisan effort to improve what we've got?
MichMary
(1,714 posts)Murray and Alexander were working on it, but it fell apart a few days ago. They are all too busy trashing each other to work together. And the rest of us will suffer for it.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)is directly in denial and slaps in the face a genuine attempt to help. Since when does someone say to a Priest who counsels you in grief, "Well, are you going to pay for the funeral?"
brush
(53,785 posts)insurance before the ACA get subsidies that make their payments very affordable, not any 9k deductibles either.
Try researching it.
And with trumpcare, of course those people will be without coverage again.
Others may not get subsidies but I know personally that deductibles from workplace insurance rise just about every year and in many cases have reached the multiple thousands threshold.
Those who have ACA and higher deductibles...well that's what everyone is talking about. It needs fixing but don't throw it out as it's saved many lives and given coverage to millions who never had that peace of mind before.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)because that was what we were quoted last spring. Not everyone gets a subsidy.
New rates coming out soon. Want to bet on whether they will be lower??? AFAIC, that's all I need to know.
brush
(53,785 posts)MichMary
(1,714 posts)with a situation that will satisfy everyone. I'm not sure it can be done.
brush
(53,785 posts)be improved.
And once we get back in power and get Medicare for all through, things will be much improved.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)Open enrollment into the state plans found on healthcare.gov happened in the fall, not the spring.
You need to actually do stuff on time, that the ACA mandates, rather than whenever you feel like it, and then complain about the lack of subsidies and plans.
Enrollment begins this year on November 1st and ends December 15th. Go here to healthcare.gov, fill out the information and upload your documentation and learn what is actually out there.
I'll bet that if you follow instructions they will be a whole lot lower than what you got out of the enrollment period and that you'll find more than one plan. You kinda need to know the actual process and how to do it.
George II
(67,782 posts)...that the premiums will go up.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)When Ocare came along they came in from the cold to get care, that ran up costs. The system should have never let them get sick, that is why Single Payer is so attractive, once startup costs get done, it is massively cheaper for everyone.
brush
(53,785 posts)And the subsidies previously uninsured didn't drive up the costs. Red states not signing on to Medicaid expansion, insurance companies pulling out of the system because they wanted higher premiums and repugs legislators holding back funding drove up the costs.
trump right now is threatening to hold back funding.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)system. Yes, insurance companies are greedy bastards that pulled out once they were paying for care for more really sick people than they expected.
Do you understand an insurance system? It is a classic risk system. Insurance companies insure people expecting X claims for y amount. As long as claims and dollars are below their level, they make z profit. If sick people flood the system at fixed premiums and use more that y dollars of healthcare costs, premiums go up for EVERYONE in the system, including healthy people that use nothing but preventative care. So, in short, it does not matter that the government paid most of the premiums for poor sick people, when they sought care to get well, the cost of that care was high and insurance companies cut an ran.
The only way to fix the system is intelligent, well thought out Single Payer.
LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)So I looked up the following:
http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2015/08/28/michigan-the-path-to-medicaid-expansion-in-a-republican-led-state/
The Medicaid Expansion Experience In Michigan
It didn't seem as hopeless as you seem to feel.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)In our little corner of Michigan, we have the "choice" of two plans, one of which doesn't cover the specialists I see. We don't qualify for Medicaid, and we don't qualify for a subsidy. The ACA doesn't do a lot for me.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)enrollment window was not the Spring, it was fall/winter.
That's when the plans are all open, which tell you which specialists are available, and when you submit your documents for subsidies.
Perhaps you need some help with filling out forms this year, with its even more truncated enrollment window.
Would you like me to ask around to see which organizations are available to help you out? I'd be happy to do so, since this seems like an easy fix, and it's early enough for me to ask around and figure out who is out there to help people in your situation.
Please DM me which corner of MI you're in, I have family and friends who are very active there who will know what resources are around there.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)but we really don't need help with forms.
Dh was thinking about retiring in July, which was why we were looking for a quote in the spring. The agent we spoke to said that unless there was some pressing reason to retire mid-year we would be better off waiting til the end of the year, because a new policy would mean a new deductible, with, potentially $13,500 at risk. We looked it over and decided that would be much more prudent.
There were two plans offered here, but as I believe I mentioned, only one included my docs. More plans are available downstate, but have a much more limited network of providers, like only Henry Ford Hospital docs, or something like that.
We will not be eligible for any subsidies.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)This is a country of 320 million people. The ACA was written and passed to help as many of those 320 million as possible, not just one person. And although not perfect, it's working for millions of people.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)written (over 200 Republican "contributions" to the bill itself) and ever since, on federal and state levels, and have done a lot of damage. But it's still standing and functioning amazing well in spite of it for millions.
Even with high deductibles the ACA is saving lives with discounted prescription drugs and diagnostic tests like mammograms, pap smears and colonoscopies done at no cost at all!
Do you even know how ACA or insurance works?
Why criticise Jimmy Kimmel?
Shame on you!
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)more accurately characterized, Murdercare and Koch Brother bribes going to Republican legislators.
onecent
(6,096 posts)You might want to get into politics!!!!
Motley13
(3,867 posts)mainly Seth Meyers & Colbert
Kimmel for prez!!!!!
Greybnk48
(10,168 posts)He's probably helped as much or more than anyone with his audience size and his cred as a scared daddy who has just been though something that could have turned out very differently with his baby boy had he not been insured and wealthy.
I am truly amazed at some of the comments posted in this thread. Here is a guy whose wife gives birth to seemingly healthy baby boy and 45 minutes later they find out he has a heart defect that requires immediate surgery in order to save his life. Jimmy goes on TV the next night and thanks everyone who saved his boys life. He has come to Jesus moment about health insurance and he has been outspoken ever since. He had Senator Cassidy on the show and Cassidy flat out said that the bill did not remove the pre-existing condition clause or the lifetime cap clause. Kimmels read the Cassidy-Graham bill and discovered that it did remove both of those clauses.
Cassidy, Graham, Christie and Kilmead all mocked Kimmel and because Jimmy has a talk show he was able to confront them with facts as well as mock Kilmeade for being a poseur. Kimmel talked about it again last night.
Some wealthy people never stand up for what is right or what they believe in. I find it amusing that when Jimmy Kimmel takes a stand that is not a conservative position he is called a Hollywood elitists, but Chuck Norris or Tim Allen are called Patriots for their conservative views.
Finally I am a parent just like Jimmy Kimmel. My son was diagnosed with cancer when he was 4 years old and thank God I had good insurance. However after he was off treatment my company laid me off and we had to get an individual policy and it was a joke and it almost bankrupted us. I have lived this fight and believe me we need people like Jimmy Kimmel to call out the lies and liars. Sorry for the rant.
DFW
(54,403 posts)You have been where few of us have. Thanks for telling your story.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)was your individual policy under the ACA? Because my son's individual policy was cancelled and replaced because it wasn't ACA-compliant, and was replaced with one that was 3x as much in premium.
My dh's retirement plans hinge on how much our projected premium will be. Last spring we were quoted $1700/per month. But--that will go up. We will find out how much more in a week or so.
bpj62
(999 posts)No it was prior to the ACA being enacted. My new employer finally got a group plan in November of 2011. My last premium was $1875 a month with a $5000.00 deductible. We later found out that my son policy wouldn't cover the cost of the Chemotherapy medicine if he had relapsed.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)We have been very fortunate. I had cancer 31 years ago, and the year I was diagnosed, I had a healthy labor and delivery, well-child care for two children, 2 surgeries, 5 rounds of chemotherapy and chest and mantle radiation. No deductible. No co-pay. We paid $10 because I had to pay for hospital slippers because I hadn't brought my own. I didn't have to worry about the costs of my treatment, at all. Of course, that health plan didn't last long because people abused it.
Actual quotes: "My little girl was constipated, so I took her to the ER." "I got a sliver, but thought I'd let an actual doctor remove it. Went to the ER." That was so much BULLSHIT, and it cost all of us in the group the great coverage we had. The problem was that it seemed like it was "free" so no one felt the need to think twice before accessing the system for stupid reasons.
IMHO, there has to be some incentive to prevent people from abusing the system in order to keep costs down. In fact (and I know this won't be popular,) I think there should be a VERY minimal co-pay for Medicaid. Just to make people think twice before accessing it.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)You probably won't be able to get individual insurance at anywhere close to as cheap as $1700 for you and hubby ... if you can even get it at all. Given that you've had cancer in the past, and that'll be considered a pre-existing condition.
Not sure you realize just how friggin' expensive individual insurance used to be for anyone with a pre-existing condition of ANY kind ... before the ACA. And there was no guarantee you could even get insurance, period. Anyone considering retiring before the age of 65 had damn sure better be fighting for the ACA tooth-and-nail ... or they aren't being very smart.
Also, curious how you know ... you 'lost the great coverage' ... due to the reason you've outlined? Sounds like a scenario you may well be imagining, quite frankly. A 'causal relationship' ... that did not actually exist, IOW.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)I hope your son is doing well. Modern medicine produces miracles . . .
He is a PITA 16 year old teenager. He is our miracle. Parents of children with cancer carry the burden of worrying about a relapse till the day they die. We have a saying "There was life before cancer and now there is life after cancer". I think positively but it always lurks in the back of your mind.
Greybnk48
(10,168 posts)Thanks for posting and I hope your son is doing well bpj62!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I saw that at my former employer over the years. Eventually the person with cancer or serious hip injury would get laid off. I figured they caused the premiums to go up too much.
Is your son cancer free now? Did you find another job?
Very important to have pre-existing conditions protections, or your son might have trouble getting insurance the rest of his life.
calimary
(81,304 posts)MASSIVE kudos to him for using his platform for more than just laughs and ratings. He's got a pulpit. That he was moved to use it to do good - to further the public good - speaks volumes, indeed, whole libraries about him.
I've loved him since "The Man Show" and "Win Ben Stein's Money".
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)will keep hacking away at it and will try to repeal and gut both the ACA and Medicaid any time they think they have a chance.
Second, Kimmel was wonderful, but the extremism of the ultraconservative billionaires determined to destroy all government programs is what defeated this incredibly harmful bill. They're hardly wise, just mean as snakes and angry at being obstructed.
It takes someone like Jimmy Kimmel to cut through the misdirection and lies that the right wing spew. In one statement he completely wiped out Brian Kilmeade and he exposed Cassidy for the liar that he is. Senate rules do not allow for "personal attacks" so even if Cassidy lied his fellow members cannot call him a liar. It Is so screwed up. By calling out their lies Kimmel and others force the republicans to defend their positions and Chuck Grassley showed just how hard that is.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)trof
(54,256 posts)Nothing like having some skin in the game to get you activated.
Quixote1818
(28,945 posts)across the face. Beautiful to watch.
Stuart G
(38,434 posts)the part with the Republican being a liar..is so clear. and Kimmel has done his homework, and knows the bill..
George II
(67,782 posts)....for himself.
The first time he brought this up on his show, he pointed out that for someone like him, he can afford to pay for all the medical costs for his son. What really upset him and got him choked up is the thousands of people in similar positions who aren't as well off as him, and he was upset with what might happen to their children.
So to me, it's not that he's calling out the politicians who are trying to kill the ACA, it's that he's doing it unselfishly for thousands or millions of people who he doesn't even know.
Stuart G
(38,434 posts)heart felt, clean and clearly presented....Of course we don't know for sure..I am guessing..but, because Jimmy obviously cares about this in relation to the topic, and his son...he may have spent a good amount of time rehearsing this..in order to get it just right...Why?
When you want it just right... you spend a lot of time working on that...it may look easy and smooth, but that defines a lot of work and effort ahead of time.. I discovered he ain't new at this. He has been doing TV for a while, and what you can see is.....Jimmy cares and he has done his homework...he knows what he is talking about in order to punch the assholes back.....
I will say it again, ..that took time and a whole lot of effort to get it just right...and with that video...
Jimmy Kimmel hit a grand slam home run..at the bottom of the 9th to win the world championship.and save......................................thousands of lives of people right here in the U.S.A.
0rganism
(23,956 posts)there is no level of depravity to which the GOPers will not stoop in their ongoing quest to destroy America
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)he stated the simple facts, in a way that anyone could understand. The GOP was foolish enough to attack someone who many people remember from stuff that is not classically liberal like "the man show", which means that joe sixpack could say "shit, even Jimmy Kimmel is gettign attacked by these GOP dudes!
Upthevibe
(8,052 posts)I think he's funny and enjoy his show. He didn't need to get into this at all. His son's condition really impacted him and he went public with it. I think he's a very brave guy for what doing he's doing. I really do. I mean the entire situation involving his son could have been just a little story on TMZ but he let us know what happened. I am now an even bigger Jimmy Kimmel fan!