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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI want medicare for all. What's the best way to get there?
You could try and pass it all at once like Bernie wants to do. The Republicans would go into full propaganda mode.They would scare the hell out of their voters. Or you could try to do it step by step. For example, expand medicare to 55 years old and above. If that proves to be successful you could expand it further.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)That's the first step. Without that, there is no chance of such a thing becoming real.
We can start in 2018. I suggest we do that.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)You still will have to figure out the best way to get medicare for all passed. It will be huge battle.
33taw
(2,444 posts)Many people chose not to vote in the last election. Many democrats choose not to vote in the mid-terms. Obamacare is only a reality because from 2009 - 2011 we controlled the House, Senate and executive branch. We had 60 dem senators. This is the priority and I disagree that it is obvious. It should have been obvious that we needed to hold the presidency to hold the Supreme Court, but clearly it wasn't. Without the Senate ultra conservative judges will be appointed for life.
33taw
(2,444 posts)Voltaire2
(13,061 posts)For example: "We are the Democratic Party. We started Medicare in 1965. We are going to expand this great program and make it better and available to everyone. Medicare for all! Vote Democratic."
BigmanPigman
(51,611 posts)not even close to being there yet.
It will probably happen (if it happens at all) after I have been dead for a long time.
In the meantime focus on NOW! TODAY!! The GOP is going to try to repeal the ACA today before the calendar runs out in two weeks. They need a legislative win and are announcing the Graham Cassidy Bill which they never got around to at the end of July when McCain gave his thumbs down vote. This last ditch effort will likely repeal the ACA since the GOP has been buying the votes of the flipable senators (McCain is one of them). They any need three votes in order to take healthcare away for 22 million a reality. An evil and cruel reality. All due to MONEY, greed, power, self interstate, and putting party over country. They are thrilled to throw the grandma's in nursing home, the poor, and the already ill under the bus to further their own sick, sociopathic agenda.
Call your reps and tell you friends and family to do so too. Please, please, please call (202)224-3121
Thank you!
RandySF
(58,911 posts)leftstreet
(36,109 posts)The noisy reaction to Trump's recent attempt to get rid of Obamacare came from their own constituents. GOP propaganda against single payer is useless now. And they know it
frazzled
(18,402 posts)But I still haven't seen a plan that is detailed enough to inform me how, exactly, it could work or how it could pass.
Everyone, of course, who works already pays into Medicare. But as it exists now, everybody who pays in is paying to support the medical costs of those over 65. To fund a universal system is extremely costly (as seen in the failure of several well-intentioned states to institute a state-level program). I know there are plans to put a large tax burden on businesses and corporations, and that could go some way towards making it work (but until I see a CBO analysis of the precise costs, I'm not sure of the balance sheet--or whether businesses would be so opposed as to kill its passage; it might be a wash for them on providing private coverage, or not; for the generous businesses that provide high-level coverage, it would probably be a gain; for those that provide no or lesser insurance, there would be blowback). Then there is the possibility of charging premiums to younger people, or making it "progressive" based on income (something I would oppose on the grounds that it would then not be a true universal system, like Social Security). Or raising the Medicare tax on everyone. Or ...?
Then there is the question of supplementary insurance. Medicare, of course, does not cover everything, and in most countries that have a single-payer system people who can afford it also have supplementary insurance (as do most on Medicare who can afford it have here in the US). Another two-tiered system, in a way.
It's easy to say we want Medicare for All, and I'm not saying that is not the most desirable thing. But I wonder if we're being premature in making such a giant push for it all at once. Just as the Republicans promised to undo Obamacare a zillion times, and in the end couldn't do it, I don't want the Democrats to do the same thing. You don't get a zillion chances to pass these things. Each time you try and it fails, you lessen the chance that you can do it next year. That puts me sort of in the camp of those who want to see a phased in, incremental approach that locks things in over time, perhaps starting with extension to 55 and older, and a public option for the existing ACA. Together, those could be huge stepping stones to an eventual single-payer system as the two ends coalesce.
Don't make this just some sort of populist campaign promise that doesn't have the down-and-dirty details or political clout to pass. It hurts, rather than helps, the goal, in the end.
KPN
(15,646 posts)what you think.
This isn't just a populist campaign as you seem to imply.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)That's kind of hard at the moment. And then there's the question of having the CBO and health care analysts provide their assessments of the actual costs and viability. As we saw in 2015 and 16, sometimes Bernie's plans don't actually add up. While I'm hopeful, it doesn't mean I have blind faith.
KPN
(15,646 posts)what you think when you've seen it. I'm not too concerned about the money piece -- it'll be less than what we pay now for health care access as a whole -- no question about that. Regardless of price tag, Rs will paint it as huge deficit as usual. We just need to be armed and ready to counter that. The Rs w/ rather give tax breaks to billionaires than health care to you and me. That's all we have to say ... repeatedly.
Re: blind faith. This ain't blind. Single payer is staring us in the face -- you'd have to be blind not to see that. No blind faith -- just determination. Join in -- we need you.
dembotoz
(16,808 posts)KTM
(1,823 posts)"For example, expand medicare to 55 years old and above"
NYTimes - Bernie Sanders: Why We Need Medicare for All
Now, you may say ONLY do that, and perhaps draw out the timeline for the rest of the transition instead of the expedient timeline of Bernie's plan, but you are both starting with the same first step.
prairierose
(2,145 posts)You can read HR 676, which is the same bill. Bernie and John Conyers worked together so their bills would match and would not need reconciliation.
Trekologer
(997 posts)It hits the GOP talking point about insurers leaving the exchanges right on the head.