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mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 10:28 AM Sep 2017

China to U.S.: Please stop sending us your junk

LONDON (CNNMoney) - For decades, shipping containers have been loaded with American scrap and waste and dispatched to China for recycling.

It's a $5 billion annual business that is now in danger of sinking.

Beijing notified the World Trade Organization in July that it plans to ban the import of 24 varieties of solid waste, including types of plastic and unsorted paper commonly sent from the U.S.

China said that the ban would take effect from September, giving American companies little time to prepare. ISRI estimates that roughly a fifth of the trade is at risk.

The announcement has made U.S. recyclers that trade with China very nervous.

"In the short term we're going to see a significant drop of exports from the U.S. into China, and there is a little bit of panic in the market," said Adina Adler, an official at the U.S. Institute of Scrap Recycling Industries (ISRI).

"We respect what the Chinese government is trying to do ... and we want to be helpful, but they gave us practically no time for any kind of transition," said Adler.

Trade deficit
Scrap and waste is the sixth largest U.S. export to China.

The trade works like this: A huge number of container ships laden with consumer goods sail each year from China to American ports.

But the U.S. runs a massive trade deficit with China, and there is little demand for space on the return leg, or "backhaul." As a result, shipping companies offer major discounts on return runs to China.

The dynamic has been a boon for the U.S. recycling industry, which has an abundance of the scrap metal, paper, plastic, rubber and electronics that Chinese recyclers crave.

Adam Minter, a journalist, explains in the book "Junkyard Planet" that it can be much cheaper to ship scrap from the U.S. to China than to send it by rail from Los Angeles to Chicago.

Exports at risk
Beijing says it's now banning some of the scrap categories out of concern for the environment.

The government told the WTO that it had found large amounts of dirty and hazardous material mixed with solid waste, leading to serious environmental pollution.

China's State Council said in a statement that it hoped to "reform ... the management system of solid waste imports, promote the recycling use of domestic solid wastes, protect the ecological environment and people's health."

Minter, however, has argued that the ban could exacerbate environmental problems.

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GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
1. You first, China.
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 10:34 AM
Sep 2017

How much of that scrap is the cheap, shoddy crap you send here, that only lasts for a few weeks or months before it is no longer useful?

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
6. "We" don't love to buy it.
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 11:15 AM
Sep 2017

Some people love to buy it, but a lot of us buy, because that's all there is. And, we use it until it falls apart. Which, unfortunately, is a lot sooner than it should. I do everything I can to avoid buying Chinese products.

dembotoz

(16,812 posts)
5. Perhaps the key part is dirty and hazardous materials mixed in
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 11:14 AM
Sep 2017

Getting rid of hazardous stuff is expensive.
Mixing it in with recycling and shipping to China is perhaps cheap

I wonder what they have been finding?


Be a great documentary

flygal

(3,231 posts)
7. Our local goodwill sends truck loads of clothing to recycle companies in texas that ship to China
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 11:19 AM
Sep 2017

There is too much "fast" fashion going right back to china. If you look at stores like Old Navy and the Children's Place it is mind boggling how much crap is sold here. I wish stores would be a little more picky about the quality AND quantity.

FakeNoose

(32,694 posts)
9. We're been dumping "recyclable" materials on China for 30+ years
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 11:29 AM
Sep 2017

...because it's cheaper to do that rather than recycle them ourselves. This is America's dirty secret and it has to stop.

We need to recycle our own junk, or else stop making/buying junk. Stop with the plastic one-use containers already!
Recycling should not be a profit-center - it should be a community responsibility.

I grew up with glass bottles for all pop & beer (in the 1950's and 60's). Consumers paid a deposit on every bottle from the store and then returned the bottles for recycling. Landfills and trash collection were manageable then, but now it's completely out of control. We just shrugged and started shipping the junk to China. WTF?

No wonder they hate us!

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
11. Good move. This forces reform and proper handling of hazardous waste.
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 11:40 AM
Sep 2017

Put an end to sending hazardous waste across the globe to pollute somewhere else.

3_Limes

(363 posts)
12. There might be more to this than just deciding where certain scrap goes.
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 12:30 PM
Sep 2017

It's also possible that between this and the recently announced mandatory conversion to electric vehicles, we can conclude that China is completely serious about getting a grip on their environmental issues. This has some very far reaching ramification that will directly impact the US in a very few decades. If we continue to allow the existence of climate change denial at the federal level, and continue to allow ourselves to lazily rely on existing fossil fuels technology then we'll soon be handing our energy and power generation industries to China. With the lead times required to develop this technology and the head start that China will have, it'll make what happened to the US auto industry in the 70's and 80's look painless by comparison.

Hell! Even the reddest of Republicans can understand that!

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