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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBBC reporter Paul Wood says there's new evidence that the Pee-tape -- and worse -- exists.
The original article is behind a pay wall at The Spectator. This article discusses it.
While most DUers won't care about a sex tape (assuming the participants are all adults and the behavior is consensual), this would be more confirmation of the Steele dossier.
And it would matter, of course, if the Russians were blackmailing DT with it.
http://www.inquisitr.com/4476398/donald-trump-pee-tape-dossier/amp/
The so-called pee tape, an alleged video recording of Donald Trump in a highly compromising situation with prostitutes in a Russian hotel room, may actually exist and multiple witnesses say so according to a bombshell report by award-winning BBC correspondent Paul Wood in an article published in August, but just receiving widespread notice today.
SNIP
I heard of Russian kompromat compromising material on Trump from two sources months before the Steele dossier came to light, Wood wrote in the Spectator. There are, though, reports of witnesses in the hotel who corroborate Steeles reporting. These include an American whos said to have seen a row with the hotel security over whether the hookers would be allowed up to Trumps suite. The dossiers account of hookers in a Moscow hotel room was the subject of gossip among politicians and intelligence people for months before it was published.
In addition, Wood adds that the Russians who could include Russian President Vladimir Putin himself may be in possession of other blackmail material on Trump, including separate sexually compromising tapes that depict Trump exhibiting even more extreme deviant behavior.
Expect these allegations to emerge in due course, Wood concluded.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)that Trump's supporters would find disgusting?
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The Red States would never forgive him for the disgusting perversion of NOT insulting Islam.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)Bible. The Joel Osteen version.
librechik
(30,677 posts)Bradshaw3
(7,533 posts)Then it's ok
dhill926
(16,372 posts)Lithos
(26,404 posts)Consider:
* He already has very close ties to another Billionaire (Jeffrey Epstein) who was arrested for an under-age sex ring.
* Trump's, now defunct modeling agency, which had many under-aged girls on it's payrolls, has been implicated with being "deal closers" - being forced to various parties and performing various acts as rewards for the business men.
* Being sued for raping a 13 year old girl (Lisa Bloom)
Add to that the known fact Trump often entered the Miss Universe dressing rooms (under aged girls in various states of attire), and his own lustful statements to his daughter. There is also a rather interesting tie with Milo Yiannopoulos, who has defended a man's right for sex with a 13 year old girl, but it may also just be politics.
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Solomon
(12,319 posts)At this point it's the only thing his base would find disgusting. The real reason he won't criticize Putin or Russia.
if the pussy-grabbin didn't phase the christians, neither will this.
TrogL
(32,822 posts)...or some such nonsense.
Authoritarian followers take any criticism of their leader or any challenge to their premises as an attack on their entire world.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)a man can't have sex with a young teen. So it's okay with them. So is rape, okayed by the Bible.
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)You're absolutely right. Isn't that disgusting?
lunasun
(21,646 posts)long time ago .....poor old man after serving asspeaker of the house and giving so much to the country. He did a lot of good for his district they will tell you
adigal
(7,581 posts)and beat. But I don't think even that would do it. They would say she enticed poor Donny Two Scoops.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...it's one of their specialties.
FakeNoose
(32,823 posts)That's what Cheeto has been worried about all along.
Wait until the Trump supporters see his tiny weenie, the game will be all over!
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)FakeNoose
(32,823 posts)They said it's from Target. I can't take credit for it, but it sure is great.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)doing divine works. Let him be say his fundies
His other supporters? They are as nasty as he is I assume look how they embraced his pussy grabbing talk for example
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)malchickiwick
(1,474 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Does it matter? Republicans get away with all kinds of stuff, Vitter and his diaper fetish, Governor Appalachian Trail, while Dems will hang their own out to dry so fast the opposition doesn't even have to lift a finger.
My main response to this headline is "so what?"
lunasun
(21,646 posts)if that was their only fetish that would be no problem with me but I was in the suburbs and overheard two trump women fantasizing violence of how they would hurt illegal immigrants if they ever met one... all this talk over cofveve on a holiday weekend . They are some sick shit . There are so many things to discuss but violence to others is not on my day off list of items to talk about in a coffee shop when I meet up with a friend . If they were truly in to sexual fetishes and discussing how they enjoy golden showers, I would not have had my stomach turned like I did over thier violence to others fantasy fetish
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)and it will probably come out in a politically advantageous time so they can bury it in the cycle, and make people sick of it before any harm will be done.
Like you said, the hate is irrational, and they want to inflict physical harm on people they don't like. Decades of right wing spewage has emboldened them to think this way, and we've got a lot of work to set things to something resembling straight.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Ze master race has nothing to be proud of, if that's what's on offer.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)obvious video evidence... at this point Trump supporters are not right in the head.
solara
(3,836 posts)cross dressing.
Perhaps it trump's supporters saw him cavorting in a black lace bustier, leather dog collar, fishnet stockings, garters, a pair of stiletto heels, heavy make-up, lipstick, earrings, wearing a crown, and practicing his debate with a blond blow- up doll dressed like Hillary; or on his knees in the same outfit being punished by a beautiful, black Dominatrix with a riding crop, or a rubber flogger.
Or, on his hands and knees barking like a dog obeying every command from said Dominatrix. Or....
Diaper play.
Any of the above could be the kind of deviant behavior trump's little fan club might find disgusting. I say "might"
Unfortunately there are still a myriad of sick and extreme behaviors that I can actually imagine our PINO enjoying with great relish. But delicacy demands that I end it here.
kimbutgar
(21,224 posts)Oh to see that would make his cultof4ers heads explode!
Cosmocat
(14,575 posts)being a democrat.
Everything else is all good if you are on team R.
Bradshaw3
(7,533 posts)... does anyone doubt for a second that this piece of crap would do something like that?
C Moon
(12,221 posts)Bradshaw3
(7,533 posts)It might be but it might not. We know a lot about collusion and financial dealings. Whether they ever prove what you are claiming is unlikely in my opinion.
C Moon
(12,221 posts)Bradshaw3
(7,533 posts)Or going both ways. You made a claim that hasn't been proven.
PCIntern
(25,601 posts)the Aristocrats (look it up if you're unfamiliar) and it'd be just fine.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The vulgar, petty, nonsensical andl almost canine mentality of "getting back at" the Obamas by having hookers pee on the bed where they once slept.
It's pure Trump.
garybeck
(9,942 posts)a fake story that someone like karl rove or trump himself would put out there to confuse people
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I don't see the upside to Trump himself making something like that up.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)for that matter. It has been said many times by those who know Trump well and report on him for a living, (and I'm not talking about fake news) that Trump is not a "chess player" but a checker player, in that he doesn't think strategically several moves ahead of his opponents, but instead he thinks one move at a time.
So I hardly think that he would plant 'fake news' years before he announces his candidacy about a romp involving himself and prostitutes in a Russian hotel room, to discredit the press prior to the beginning of his campaign. He's too old to doesn't have enough brain cells remaining to think on that level. Instead he's always trying to cover up his tracks for some stupid shit he's done, after the information is already out there in the mainstream media by sending out his minions to refute it.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,737 posts)Just have Jaysus and all the Talibangelists forgive him.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)Brilliant!
MontanaMama
(23,352 posts)RUFKM? See what you've started here?? You smarty you!
Wounded Bear
(58,737 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,640 posts)They would love it and it would further bind their devotion to him. His base cult would relish this, in fact they voted for him due to his disgusting behavior, not in spite of it.
I wonder if this is mentioned in the Fusion GPS testimony transcripts given the the Senate Judiciary Committee two weeks ago. Rachel announced it on her show that his lawyers said Grassley could release it and Lawrence followed up by saying Hatch would approve the release of the transcripts too. I will be calling the 11 GOP members calling for its release now that their recess is over.
The Pee Pee tape is really meaningless since it is just more of the fake prez breaking all the norms and rules and getting away with it by his enabling family, GOP, and billionaires who own the government. Anyone with a rational thought in their head is mute once again/still. The GOP owns this country via $ and fake Christianity.
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)We have heard rumors for 8 months now.... Put up or shut up already! Let's get rid of this psychopath before he does something we can't come back from.
JDC
(10,135 posts)Would probably stir his base into a tizzy. One that even he couldn't lie his way out of.
If he was a literal cuck it would be the height of delicious irony.
skydive forever
(447 posts)Kaleva
(36,360 posts)hay rick
(7,648 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)oh... you said "tape". My mistake.
hlthe2b
(102,419 posts)if true... I do care about that.
tandem5
(2,072 posts)that he was willing to plan and carry out a retribution fantasy that most people wouldn't begin to imagine -- Not because it's too perverse, but because it so removed (even symbolically) from the object of his hatred -- A room the Obamas once stayed in. It would be truly disturbing if proven real.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)but it would not affect him now. We have become so desensitized to this sort of thing that there would be no scandal.
pnwmom
(109,009 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)I was only thinking of the court of public opinion. For instance, if we substituted the pee tape for her emails, that could have done him in.
You have to wonder if perhaps Mueller does have a copy of the tape already. Also, if that was not the most disgusting piece of kompromat, what else might Mueller have needed to view? Just another reason I'm glad he is leading the investigation and I am not.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)Trump's zombies will either make up an excuse why it doesn't matter or claim it's fake, as they do everything they don't like.
An extra level of deviancy would be an interesting test for his evangelical base, though.
pnwmom
(109,009 posts)I'm sure Mueller could find the appropriate charges.
TNNurse
(6,929 posts)but I and many others are not. I do not care what it takes to take him down, I am just past ready for it to happen.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)Particularly it the tapes are crystal clear and definitive, then there's no way the Repugs would try to bury it, rather they'd kick him to the curb because they know that they'd time was up for them, and that they were just busy rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic when their party was going down. Nothing would send Trump supporters running in the opposite direction than to see with their own crystal clear eyeballs, Trumps pasty white ass peeing on prostitutes in a hotel room.
Johnny2X2X
(19,193 posts)What % of Russian prostitutes are under 17? I would bet it's well over half and I would bet the chances the girls they set Trump up with being underage is near 100%. Probably 13 or younger. And that's why Putin had him.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Especially as he was supposedly attracted to a young Ivanka.
Bingo.
Lithos
(26,404 posts)Also add in his strong ties with Jeffrey Epstein and Trump's use of under-aged girls from his defunct modeling agency as "deal closers" *cough*. And don't forget Lisa Bloom who claimed Trump raped her when she was 13.
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JI7
(89,279 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)or the Russians - "they looked older" and "the age of consent in Russia is lower than in the US, so it's ok" (no idea on that one) or "Trump is so manly that they threw themselves at him and he didn't have time to check ID"
Johnny2X2X
(19,193 posts)They will absolutely try to excuse this behavior. No bar is too low for them to slither under.
He'll be on tape with preteens doing sex acts that are way outside the norm. But but but, her emails!
I have no delusions that a child sex tape will sink Trump. It won't.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)but he's been forgiven for so much, I don't think even he worries about that part being "confirmed." So I don't think the Russians have that much hold over him on that issue.
Trump's downfall will come from overwhelming illegal bahavior -- money-laundering, fraud, etc.
And, it's my fervent belief, treason -- in spirit (and actuality) even if it doesn't fit the technical, prosecutable definition. (And if it doesn't, that's yet ANOTHER reform we have to make once this nightmare is all over with.)
Squinch
(51,043 posts)criminal who might use it as leverage.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)I doubt any tape would cause him embarrassment. In fact, he might be proud of it, he would think it shows how popular he is with prostitutes. I really think there is a lot more. A NORMAL person would be ashamed of a tape such as this, but he is far from normal. He is terrified of something else being exposed, it must be HUGE. I wonder if his "boys" Beavis and Butthead have been taped doing "stuff"??
Greybnk48
(10,177 posts)Or maybe he has a vicious "Joffrey" moment in his past, or both.
Bleacher Creature
(11,258 posts)But if my prayers are answered after reading this story, I'd gladly reconsider!!
gay texan
(2,478 posts)Many tales too ticklish to tell, to be quite honest. I am no one of retaliative importance. I make no claims to my morality.....
However, Orange Cat's Ass has been lauded to be a fine upstanding moral Xtian by the right. Putting up with Clinton's private sex life blasted 24/7/365 in the 90's, guess what?
You are held to a higher standard, dickwad.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)Response to pnwmom (Original post)
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Sunlei
(22,651 posts)you're correct no one cares about his love or need to watch fiction porn shows.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Why would there be a problem getting hookers upstairs if Russian Intelligence wanted to get the goods on 45. Surely they could override any objections from hotel security?
"The sleazy scene was secretly filmed by Russian intelligence agents who kept the suite under constant surveillance, and the video is now being held as possible blackmail material known in Russian as kompromat to use against Trump"
Neema
(1,151 posts)drop a nuclear bomb or something?
haveahart
(905 posts)It would kill half of his macho base and the other half would banish his soul to hell. This is the one thing that Trump would not be able to cope with. Letting people know that he is a supreme pervert...and Obama isn't (or at least there is no video). I have said this before that the collusion charges do not matter to Trump but of what he loses if a video exists and is published. He would never be able to live it down. What would he lose most of the hypocritical evangelical base, a lot of Hispanics, (blacks already know he is a pervert), outward acceptance of the monied elite whose approval really matters to him, scorn by world leaders, lots of support from the military (especially after the transgender mess), most all of the white suburban women who voted for him in 2016, loss of veterans respect for him, and much more.
The only thing he would have going for him is the GOP House and Senate who would be afraid of their own exposure so they will work hard to protect him.
In my gut, I know that tape exists and is probably copied for protection. I just wish they would get the alleged witnesses who have viewed it under oath to testify to its existence.
Skittles
(153,220 posts)SansACause
(520 posts)...where he literally bragged about sexually assaulting women. Whether or not the pee tape is real, his supporters will still be behind him, and vote to re-elect him in 2020.
The Wizard
(12,552 posts)coprophilia video?
C_U_L8R
(45,025 posts)I can't even imagine.
WhiteTara
(29,728 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)canetoad
(17,197 posts)The Spectator article. Paywall not blocking me - could be NoScript doing its job.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/08/forget-charlottesville-russia-is-still-the-true-trump-scandal/
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Sater and Manafort together would pose a deadly threat to Trumps presidency if they testify that Russian money in his businesses led to information being exchanged with Russian intelligence. This is exactly the relationship an exchange running between them for at least eight years that the former MI6 officer Christopher Steele described in his dossier. At a news conference this week at his New Jersey golf club, the President bizarrely asserted that the Steele dossier had been paid for by Russia in order to damage him. This is the latest twist in Trumps response to the dossier, which began with flat denials in January that he had been filmed by Russian intelligence with prostitutes in a Moscow hotel room.
That remains unproven. Nevertheless, Steele is not the only source. I heard of Russian kompromat compromising material on Trump from two sources months before the Steele dossier came to light. That might be evidence for Trumps statement that Russian intelligence, as well as the US agencies, are out to get him. There are, though, reports of witnesses in the hotel who corroborate Steeles reporting. These include an American whos said to have seen a row with hotel security over whether the (alleged) hookers would be allowed up to Trumps suite. The dossiers account of hookers in a Moscow hotel room was the subject of gossip among a select group of journalists, politicians, and intelligence people for months before it was published. Now, claims are circulating of more tapes showing even more extreme behaviour. Expect these allegations to emerge in due course.
Some Republicans in Congress are tiring of the Trump reality show, a mix of The Sopranos and the Kardashians. The Mueller inquiry plods along relentlessly but prosecuting a president is a political decision. Reckless as ever, the President has tweeted criticism of the Senates Republican leader, Mitch McConnell, whose help he will need if Mueller finds anything damning. The Presidents ordinary supporters dont care. They fear that they are losing their country this was an election above all about race; all else is trivia to them, an Enquirer headline.
Even if all the allegations are shown to be true, Trump will simply emerge as the person they supposed him to be when they voted for him.
Paul Wood is a BBC correspondent and fellow of the New America Foundation.
pnwmom
(109,009 posts)bdjhawk
(420 posts)when people don't acknowledge how much misogyny has to do with all of this; hand in hand with racism. In fact, many of these phony christians (intentionally lower case "c" are loud and proud about their belief that women are inferior and should "submit" to men, all in the name of their hateful brand of christianity. These same people (both men AND women) would never be public in their racism (and in many cases, do not consciously believe they are racist) but are proud to be sexist. As bitter as these guys are about a POC "getting" the jobs they should have, they and their wives are just as bitter when a woman advances over them, no matter how qualified the women may be.
....."They fear that they are losing their country this was an election above all about race; all else is trivia to them, an Enquirer headline."
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)Paul Wood is credible. BBC is credible. Not fake news.
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)If someone outside of Russia has one of these tapes and they haven't released it, then they never will. Russia will never release them because the threat of releasing them is more powerful than the actual tapes themselves.
Denzil_DC
(7,280 posts)Then during the general election, it was funded by an anonymous Democratic Party supporter. But these are not political hacks - their usual line of work is country analysis and commercial risk assessment, similar to the former MI6 agent's consultancy. He, apparently, gave his dossier to the FBI against the firm's advice.
And the former MI6 agent is not the only source for the claim about Russian kompromat on the president-elect. Back in August, a retired spy told me he had been informed of its existence by "the head of an East European intelligence agency".
Later, I used an intermediary to pass some questions to active duty CIA officers dealing with the case file - they would not speak to me directly. I got a message back that there was "more than one tape", "audio and video", on "more than one date", in "more than one place" - in the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow and also in St Petersburg - and that the material was "of a sexual nature".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38589427
GreatCaesarsGhost
(8,585 posts)he was in the suite that the Obamas stayed in and he said Trump wanted to watch the
girls pee on the bed that the Obamas slept in. That could be even worse deviant behavior
than your average golden shower.
pnwmom
(109,009 posts)there are other tapes that are worse than that.
But I agree. How sick would DT have to be? As sick as we know he is . . . .
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)Even worse than having hookers pee on Obama's bed would be??? Hookers that were underage that Trump then had sex with? Male hookers that were underage that Trump had sex with?
Maraya1969
(22,507 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,389 posts)If the tape(s) exists and there is a chance to watch it, would you? I dunno myself, I'd have to know more about it beforehand. If there were underage girls (or boys) involved, there's no way. Plus, the thought of seeing the Asshole-in-Chief's *you know* cannot be unseen and may require years of psychotherapy. Still, there's a very real vindictive and I suppose voyeuristic part of me that would cackle with delight while witnessing what would be 45's ultimate disgrace. Am I disturbed?
MFM008
(19,823 posts)I know I'm disturbed.
One day, all this is going to hit the airwaves faster than reporters can talk.
I can't wait.
Orrex
(63,233 posts)It would be a phenomenal teaching moment: "See, kids? This is why Republicans have no moral authority in any matter at all. They nominated and elected the man who did this, and they continue to support him even now. I know that you're only 10 and 13, but whenever a Republican tells you anything about honesty or integrity, you have my permission to tell them to go fuck themselves."
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 6, 2017, 08:05 AM - Edit history (1)
And used it during 2016.
TomVilmer
(1,832 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Not that any republicans would get their tightie-whities bunched up about Comrade Casino* getting off on that kink. Hell, they gave one of their own republican senators a freaking standing ovation when he warped out with his drooly diaper deviancy. In point of fact, actual republican "values" are in and of themselves deviant. They can thump The Good Book all they damn please. They just don't live by it. They are a pack of egregious and therefore dangerous hypocrites.
* republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Gothmog
(145,666 posts)Botany
(70,614 posts)..... and it wasn't long after the pee pee thing is alleged to have happened that
Russia/Putin got behind making him POTUS because they had "kompromat" on
Trump.
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)He "won", now he's a hero. Anything that they can rub a Dems face in is okay. His base would revel in anything that makes the Dems crazy.
Not sure how many thinking GOPers will stay at home for the midterms, but the Dems better have solid candidates across the board or it will only get worse.
quitnesset
(56 posts)I read an interesting post that it may be possible for trump minions to manufacture a tape using advanced editing techniques that will soon afterwards be disproven as a fake, leading to calls from trumpeters to abandon the entire investigation as a fraud.
renate
(13,776 posts)I can't remember what document she and her staff detected was a fake, but I'm so impressed (and glad) that she didn't fall for it!
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Not that it will matter. His supporters including numerous Congresspeople will masturbate to it.