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L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 02:02 PM Sep 2017

VP Pence a witness, also a misprision of a felony charge possible.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/1/1695447/-Pence-Exposure-to-Serious-Charge-Revealed-by-Disclosure-of-Initial-Comey-Firing-Letter
Pence Exposure to Serious Charge Revealed by Disclosure of Initial Comey Firing Letter
Sep 01, 2017 · 10:02 PM PDT

Renato Marotti, a former prosecutor, tweeted today the revelations in yesterday’s NY Times story about the initial draft of the letter firing James Comey may make VP Pence at least a witness, but also “may open the door” to a charge of misprision of a felony, which has these elements:

“(1) the principal committed and completed the felony alleged; (2) the defendant had knowledge of the fact; (3) the defendant failed to notify the authorities; and (4) the defendant took affirmative steps to conceal the crime of the principal.”


Accordinghttps://t.co/gM27yBThpz?amp=1" target="_blank"> to the Times story,

Mr. Trump was back in Washington on Monday, May 8, when copies of the letter were handed out in the Oval Office to senior officials, including Mr. McGahn and Vice President Mike Pence. Mr. Trump announced that he had decided to fire Mr. Comey, and read aloud from Mr. Miller’s memo.


“Mr. Miller’s memo” was the “screed” admitting Trump fired Comey because of the Russia investigation. Yet two days later, on May 10, Pence said the President made the decision through accepting “the recommendation of the deputy attorney general and the attorney general to remove Director Comey as the head of the FBI.” That is, the Rosenstein pretext letter blaming the firing on Comey’s Hillary email actions.

A day after that, Trump contradicted this, saying to Lester Holt the real reason was the Russia Probe. ( Politico, May 11, 2017).

So knowing the real reason on Monday, on Wednesday Pence publicly stated the reason was the Rosenstein pretextual letter.

Applying the elements of misprision, that crime occurred if all of these were true: .........................











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jrthin

(4,836 posts)
1. The turd has a way of destroying and bringing down
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 02:09 PM
Sep 2017

everything he touches. That's his history, and I don't see the pattern changing.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
2. So why not misprison when he lied about knowing Flynn was a double agent????
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 02:36 PM
Sep 2017

Elijah Cummings sent Pence letter stating Flynn was connected to Russians, before Pence hired Flynn.
Pence denied knowing about Flynn later when Flynn had to be fired.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
3. Lying to further Trump's obstruction of justice is aiding a felony crime.
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 02:55 PM
Sep 2017

There may have been previous crimes that can also be proven, but you need proof of knowledge rather than presumption of knowledge.

It seems more like Flynn will go down for lying in furtherance of Pence's crimes. No doubt there were lies to cover for Pence regarding his knowledge about Flynn. Those liars may have to answer for covering up crimes to protect Pence.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
4. misprison...obstruction..collusion...mopery with intent to creep..
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 03:37 PM
Sep 2017

whatever it takes, it's got to be a wide enough net to get the damn Tea/Freedom/wtf group in Congress, too.
Most of them are in the House.

BigmanPigman

(51,608 posts)
5. I asked about that in a post yesterday and did not get a reply.
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 03:50 PM
Sep 2017

There should be two crime, lying about Flynn and knowing the contents of the first draft of the firing letter.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
8. Plus, Trump talked about the real reason with Kushner, Bannon, Priebus,
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 05:05 PM
Sep 2017

Also, Sessions had to be in on the discussion, esp. the letter #1 admitting the real reason and letter #2, since he..Sessions...was involved with #2 letter.

Which means....the whole lot of WH Admin. is guilty.

The wildest thing is.....we will have Trump and his damn big mouth to thank for spilling the beans.

Qutzupalotl

(14,315 posts)
9. Paul Ryan also committed misprision of a felony,
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 05:23 PM
Sep 2017

with knowledge that the RNC accepted foreign donations, and asked House members to keep quiet about it.

If Muller and Schneiderman get all the crooks at once, it looks like we'd get President Hatch. Speculation is it could go all the way down to President Mattis, which would be the best outcome IMO.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
11. I know Pelosi's thinking...
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 08:23 PM
Sep 2017

She wants to time the BOOM!!!! till it can help 2018 election. The Dems are gonna pick up a lot seats.

She'll be back as Speaker of the House again, and ...3rd in succession.

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