What if the Dems run in 2018 on removing Trump from office?

[edhopper]

The country is mostly ill from waking up from their Vegas Wedding mistake with Trump.
Could a winning campaign be made with the goal to rid us of this demented fool?

just thinking out loud.

[greeny2323]

1. IMHO, they should

I believe they should be doing that, to lay the foundation of impeachment, which is fundamentally a political act.

If the situation was reversed, the entire conservative-Republican establishment would be openly and loudly campaigning on impeachment.

[BigmanPigman]

2. Over 45% want him impeached so that it a good idea.

I think I read that Dem women make up the majority in favor of impeachment.

[Moostache]

3. Running as the "anti-Trump" is not a winning strategy...if we do it, we lose 100% guaranteed.

The facts are thus:

Democrats are roughly 35% of the population.
Republicans are roughly 30% of the population.

The rush of the mushy middle are varying degrees of stupid, ignorant, duped and/or useless. But one thing they are NOT is interested in a party who's raison d'etre is to say they are not the other guys.

The GOP stays on message - tax cuts, small government - like buddhist monks chanting a mantra. They lie through their teeth, they lie with a wink, wink or they lie with a straight face, but they NEVER admit defeat or go off their central core message....even Trump circus is STILL centered around tax cuts and cutting government.

Democrats MUST defend the opposite options - wealth is a product of society, without a stable social structure, wealth devolves quickly to graft, strong arming and 'protection' money in place of laws, regulations and courts. This message may not be sexy, but it is more true than platitudes like "Law and Order". Trump says shit like that an the Democrats back off and allow him to steal an issue without a fight. Arpaio? Convict. Clark? Lunatic? Price paid for supporting them? ZERO. Its not even debated rationally and that is tragic.

That is just one small example of how the Democrats MUST bring solutions and alternatives to the next cycle or suffer the same fate, we will..

[standingtall]

15. And running as anti-Bush guarunteed Democrats wouldn't take back the congress in 2006.

Oh wait. Whenever someone says you cannot be anti-something and win it's almost always factually incorrect. People win elections largely by being anti-something. Republicans anti-Clinton,anti-Obama,anti-Democrat etc. Where do repukes find themselves? In control of the congress the Senate and the White House.Democrats generally talk about their core values just as much as republicans do during election cycles. For as much as repukes talk about tax cuts largely for the wealthy and businesses Democrats talk about a progressive tax code that is fair to the poor and middle class etc.

The politics of anger works and right now most Americans are furious at Trump the head of the republican party. We need to cash in on that right that righteous anger during the mid terms. We cannot afford to take it easy on Trump and the republicans by refusing to be anti-Trump or anti-republican.

The idea that Democrats cannot win elections by simply not being the other guy is something that the MSM has conditioned many Democrats to falsely believe.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. If I was running in my district I would. My rep has already done so.

As a tool to get elected it might be too blunt for some parts of the country.


However if Mueller's report is finished and he finds evidence of impeachable/indictable offenses it should be a litmus test for all Democrats.

[Expecting Rain]

6. We are seemly in the same district.

[frogmarch]

5. I suppose it'll be

off the table.

Maybe the GOP will do it. That would be best.

[Expecting Rain]

7. I'd suggest timing is everything.

Coming out or running on the platform of impeaching Donald Trump in the absence of hard evidence would look crassy partisan and would drive voters away from supporting anything that resembled a coup.

A premature stand would make those who sit in judgement look totaly biased. That would hurt us.

Instead, it is my opinion we need to keep resisting Trump, bending him if and when we can, and strike when the moment is opportune. When the Mueller investigatin bears fruit with evidence of criminality and the standards of proceeding seem met and/or Warren's further investigation, that's the moment.

Until then, resist!

[Cosmocat]

8. NO, NO, NO

It is playing into his wheelhouse, first off.

He has LET to be beaten by a direct battle.

Second, all politics are local - people can hate trump, but be perfectly fine with their rep or senator, you don't move the needle on them simply by saying you want to get rid of 45.

They need to run against Republicans.

It is a broader target, and you do it in part by associating with 45, but you have so much more to work with. And, it cuts closer to the targets.

AND, they are wrong, on everything at this point.

People just don't get the war that we are in - they have effectively destroyed our brand. it sucks, it isn't what you would want, but the only way to level the playing field is to hit their brand, too.

Stop fucking pulling punches.

Call them for what they are, they ball around even when you tip toe around it, might as well give them something to ball about. Then call them out for being the whiny arse she dogs they are.

[lastlib]

10. I think you've nailed it.

Run against the f*cking Republikans--make them own this fustercluck of a majority party. Beat them over the head with throwing 22 million people off their health insurance. Clobber them with sabotaging a system to make insurance vastly more expensive for everybody, just to enrich their friends the insurance industry. Savage them for their inability to govern, even with a virtually invincible majority.

SO MUCH we can fight them on, including letting the wealth of this country to concentrate in the hands of a few, while the many live paycheck to paycheck. These are issues they have no defense on. Corner them and pound them like the rats they are.

[Cosmocat]

16. yep

[mopinko]

9. you have to tell people what you would do differently.

the "i'm not that guy" thing never works.
you have to engage w the actual issues where you are, too. for congress, tho it is fine to say you would vote to impeach, you have to take on local issues, and have a better plan.

[JimGinPA]

11. +1000 nt

[struggle4progress]

13. +

[Girard442]

12. Reductio ab adsurdum:

Could any D possibly benefit by promising to not impeach?

[global1]

14. They Need To Run Against The Enablers - The Repugs....

Trump is not on the ballot in 2018. The Repugs are. They are the reason we have a Trump. Trump was given to us by their failure to vett him before the primaries. They didn't demand he reveal his taxes. They didn't require him to get a real doctor's report of his mental & physical health. They let him lie his way through the primaries and the general. They supported all his crazy ideas and since he won they continue to circle the wagons around him and protect him. They are blinded by the fact that they have control of the House, the Senate & the presidency. They sit in that powerful position and they are using it in concert with Trump to dismantle Obama's legacy and our democracy. Even with the fighting within various factions in their Party - they have manage to wreck havoc on the poor, the middle class, the elderly, the sick, our youth, minorities, etc.

They are the ones that are running in 2018 - not Trump. If we want to deal with Trump we need to get through Trump's first line of defense - the Repugs.

We can't make the same mistakes of 2016. We need to run against the Repugs so we can defeat them and take back the House and the Senate. That should be our goal and we should pull out all the stops to do that. We need to come up with strategies that appeal to each of those groups I mentioned above. We got to get them to understand the consequences of continuing power of the Repugs. They need to understand how the Repugs will impact on them personally. That is the way to get them out to vote.

If we are able to mobilize the People against the Repugs - the Dems will have the power to render Trump impotent and even initiate impeachment proceedings. The Repugs would just continue to make excuses for Trump. They will continue to enable him so when we are distracted by Trump - they can continue to dismantle everything we Dems have worked for.

Directing the 2018 campaign with the focus on Trump would be done at our peril. That's what the Repugs want us to do. Don't fall prey to their scheme.

Run our 2018 with the focus on defeating every Repug that is actually running for office. Take them out in their power bases in their States. Put Dems in their place. Then when we are in control we can go after Trump.

Put first things first people!!!!