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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFeinstein: "Trump is honest and I look forward to working with him."
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/bernie-sanders-donald-trump/508007/Oh wait. Wasn't Senator Feinstein, so clearly, that's not what he meant at all, and are totally missing the IF in that subject line. He's not going crazy, he's not pandering, and he's not being "opportunistically ambivalent" at ALL!!
It's DIFFERENT!!
Just imagine if she was hawking a book at town halls....
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I read it and that's not in there, did the op link to the wrong article?
Autumn
(45,096 posts)of context comments because her actual words upset them . In Double Standard World one must make up something, attribute it to Bernie because ...outrage or what the fuck ever justifies a lie about Bernie, who I am sure if he knew would call someobne an idiot for taking Feinsteins words out of context . It seems some people lack reading and comprehension skills which must be Bernies fault. Go figure.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I guess I should be surprised but sadly, I'm not. I've tried to avoid the threads about Feinstein because she clarified her remarks and it's been discussed to death, but dragging other senators into the mess and falsely attributing quotes to them is only going to harm our credibility.
I hope no one cites DU as a source for this fake Feinstein quote.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)Yes fake news or a lie, it's the same thing.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Atticus
(15,124 posts)Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Atticus
2. Huh? nt
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I don't understand where that quote came from, it's not in the Atlantic piece, did you link to the wrong article?
I even tried doing an internet search and all that came up in the results is this thread.
LostOne4Ever
(9,289 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Someone pointed that out in the other thread so I read the artlcle and they were right, Bernie never actually said those words.
They weren't taken out of context or abbreviated, that quote isn't in there at all
Maybe they linked to the wrong article?
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Where is the relevance?
jalan48
(13,869 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)!!!!!!
It is curious to see the continued efforts to insist on a linear and strict context defense of anything said by non-Democrats, while completely excoriating anything said by actual Democrats.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)It will become clear.
Spoiler - her comments were much more recent than 10 months ago.
George II
(67,782 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)Mainly, "-ly the biggest dumb fuck I have ever seen".
melman
(7,681 posts)people can click the link and see it doesn't really say what you say it says?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Even when people do click on the link, they still don't get that it doesn't really say what the subject line says...
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Iggo
(47,558 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Iggo
(47,558 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)sheshe2
(83,785 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)sheshe2
(83,785 posts)let's just hope the rest do before 2018.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Thank you. Another in a long line of double standards exposed.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... even elsewhere, in the subthread that inspired this OP, that phenomenon continues. It's irritating, but funny too (in a sad pathetic way). I can't decide if I should laugh or cry. But I'm leaning more toward laughter. But it's more like the kind of laughter that's tinged with an echo of pity.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)It shows you. That's how a mirror works. When you look into a mirror you don't see someone else's face, you are seeing yours.
Nowhere in that article did Bernie say Trump was honest. You didn't take out of context what Bernie said, the way many here did to Feinstein. You had to make up a lie to make up a headline lying about Bernie. Your post is a reflected duplication of you, you are highlighting your own dishonesty.
This is the article you linked to in your OP and this is what Bernie said from that article.
Mr. Trump says he wants to invest a trillion dollars in rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. That is a good sum of money, that is exactly what we should be doing, and we can create millions of good-paying jobs if we do that. Mr. Trump, thats what you said on the campaign trail, thats what we look forward to seeing from you.
I happen to believe that the federal minimum wage is a starvation wage, and that it should be raised to $15 dollars an hour, a living wage. Mr. Trump did not say that, but what he did say is we should raise the minimum wage to 10 bucks an hour. Not enough, but a start, and we will hold him to those words.
Mr. Trump said that Wall Street is dangerous, doing bad things, he wants to re-establish Glass-Steagall legislation. I look forward to working with him.
Mr. Trump has said he wants six weeks of paid maternity leave. Every other major country on Earth, I think, has at least 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave, but this is a start. We look forward to working with him if he is honest about that.
Mr. Trump said throughout his campaignthe cornerstone of his campaign was to change our disastrous trade policies. As someone who voted against every one of these trade policies, I look forward to working with him.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Nowhere in that article did Feinstein say Trump was a good president.
By applying the same filter to a statement by Sanders about DT, I showed the vast difference in the way that the two Senators were being treated.
Is that clearer?
Autumn
(45,096 posts)grow and become a good president. Your OP is stating that Bernie said the equivenlent of the things Feinstin said that people took out of context. He didn't say what you said he said. You had to make up, or lie if you will, about what Bernie said in the article to fit your filter.
To be clearer, if you want to apply the Fienstein filter to Sanders you should find something that he actualy said instead of making something up as you did in your OP and post that link in your little experiment.
People taking Feinsteins words out of context is a nasty thing to do, lying about what she says to make a point would be even nastier, and that is what you did to Bernie with your OP. Wouldn't you find it outragous if those people were posting things she never said? That's the problem with your filter.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)subject lines: "Trump be a good president" instead of The question is whether he can learn and change, If so, I believe he can be a good president.
And
"I look forward to working with him" and "he is honest." instead of
"We look forward to working with him if he is honest about that."
Is that clearer?
Sanders left open the possibilty that Trump could be honest, and he could look forward to working with him, in the way that Feinstein left open the possibility that Trump could be a good president.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I must have missed that.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Expecting Rain
(811 posts)are disingenuous and hyocritical smears of the sort that have no place on a forum whose purpose is to support DEMOCRSTS?
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)PRIMARY THE WITCH!!!
Expecting Rain
(811 posts)With our Middle School son.
They are all witches!
George II
(67,782 posts)....from the $75 admission fee will go to Camp Olmsted, which benefits NYC neighborhood children.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Expecting Rain
(811 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)woundedkarma
(498 posts)Like one of those criminal movies. Where everyone is suspicious of everyone else. Then someone sneaks up on someone else, pulls a gun out and shoots at someone across the room. Everyone pulls out their guns and starts shooting each other.
In the end, the only person left standing is the one who shot the first bullet.
I'll give you one guess who that person is. It's not trump.
It is amazing to watch. And very scary. Before this last election, people disagreed on small (and maybe a couple bigger) things but, overall, everyone was moving in the same direction.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)will hopefully enlighten everyone who has been trigger happy.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)R B Garr
(16,954 posts)forced to watch the charade.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Does that rule only apply to Bernie ? #hypocrisy stinks
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)It's blasphemy to criticize a cult leader, even mildly.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)showing what it would look like if applied to another Senator.
Simply do a DU search on "Feinstein: Trump can be a good president" for clarification...
mdbl
(4,973 posts)I'll just leave it at that.
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)The OP is making light of the hypocrisy of some Sanders supporters who have criticized Feinstein for her recent conciliatory comments about Trump while giving Bernie a pass for some of the more conciliatory comments he has made about Trump.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)That should clarify.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)She obviously is comfortable with allowing this country to keep swirling down the toilet. What a looney thing to say.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Perhaps you saw a truncated video.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)If you are going to try make a point in this way, it's better to use the actual quote.
George II
(67,782 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)to another politician, illustrating how it didn't happen to him.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)honestly, that doesn't seem very honest.
still_one
(92,209 posts)brush
(53,784 posts)such as: "Instead of Democrats talking about redistributing wealth we should talk about creating wealth."
I guess the pure repug way of phrasing doomed his little revolt.
BainsBane
(53,034 posts)Last edited Sat Sep 2, 2017, 04:13 PM - Edit history (2)
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)While the GOP gerrymanders, and suppresses, and consolidates its hold on power.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Seems only some always get a pass
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)are probably seeing this ridiculous statement of hers as something that might finally resonate with those people who don't have a problem with many of her votes or her far more middling advocacy on some issues, , but I don't personally agree with that approach, and think it is using a very small, if bizarre thing, to get the court of public opinion to tip on her here.
But it is obviously different. It is very very easy to understand what Sanders is saying(unless you are trying very very hard not to). It takes no level of mental gymnastics to hear his words the way I hear them. Can you really say the same thing about your interpretation?
On the flip side, what possible argument could you make from Feinstein's own words that suggests she was saying anything in the same ballpark? She really was saying we have to have patience, we have to give him a chance...
Was there a political angle to it that I don't understand? Possibly. I have no effing clue what that might be, but the words themselves do not tell a different story than is being presented. They are not themselves taken out of context of each other. They may be taken out of context of the fact that she is a sitting senator with duties and responsibilities that might require some finesse, but if that's the strategy, nobody should be happy about trying to placate the boy-king bully so that he's less vindictive to us.
Does that demand more action than voicing to her our disapproval? I don't think so. Others might see this as just more evidence that her interests are not ours, but I hardly think this is a smoking gun of anything of the sort. That said, in the progressive state of California, hell yes I want a primary option. Feinstein has been one of my least favorite dems for a long long time.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)nini
(16,672 posts)Especially the Sanders crowd. Elizabeth Warren, Hillary, Kamala Harris, Feinstein. They get brutalized for things that if a man said or did them would not get such wrath. The fact these are all strong women seems to threaten them and certain male 'leaders'.
This doesn't mean women can't be criticized at all so I don't want to hear that.
BainsBane
(53,034 posts)and everything to do with who said it.
Nothing about Sanders statement is accurate. It was clear at that time that Trump was a pathological liar. It was clear that his rhetoric about workers was a lie, a transparent ruse to use the office to enrich himself and his cronies. Sanders has been proven wrong on that. He's been proven wrong on his claims that Trump voters aren't racist.
The different reactions are about power and political tribalism, nothing more.
And it's not like we're talking about a one off comment by Sanders. There have been many, and we've seen many threads where people defend them, the same people insisting that Feinstein be forcibly removed to an old folks home, all while insisting Democrats "unify" to support as President a man who will be 87 by the end of a second term.
From what I've read of Feinstein's statements, I don't care for them. That doesn't mean it should be used as a pretext for a power grab, which is exactly what we are seeing.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)Last time I checked the DUer who started several threads on the Feinstein blunder was a huge HRC supporter.
BainsBane
(53,034 posts)And all the responses? Please, provide links to back up your impressions. I look forward to reading them.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)The "I proudly stand with Hillary Clinton" DUer.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)pushback he was getting? One was a generic poll.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)Did you read the transcript of what Bernie actually said in the OP under discussion? Other than the quote
Which part is inaccurate?
Mr. Trump says he wants to invest a trillion dollars in rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. That is a good sum of money, that is exactly what we should be doing, and we can create millions of good-paying jobs if we do that. Mr. Trump, thats what you said on the campaign trail, thats what we look forward to seeing from you.
I happen to believe that the federal minimum wage is a starvation wage, and that it should be raised to $15 dollars an hour, a living wage. Mr. Trump did not say that, but what he did say is we should raise the minimum wage to 10 bucks an hour. Not enough, but a start, and we will hold him to those words.
Mr. Trump said that Wall Street is dangerous, doing bad things, he wants to re-establish Glass-Steagall legislation. I look forward to working with him.
Mr. Trump has said he wants six weeks of paid maternity leave. Every other major country on Earth, I think, has at least 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave, but this is a start. We look forward to working with him if he is honest about that.
Mr. Trump said throughout his campaignthe cornerstone of his campaign was to change our disastrous trade policies. As someone who voted against every one of these trade policies, I look forward to working with him.
As for what Feinstein said there was nothing wrong with what she said, her words were taken out of context and people got bent out of shape based on partial quotes. That seems to happen a lot any more.
Did anyone deliberately lie about what she said?
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Trump's lies? That's false. Trump copied Sanders' platform, so how can they be lies. The part about honesty was to hold Trump accountable to the platform he copied from Sanders.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)We all know Trump was full of shit, Bernie knew. He was getting digs in at Trump.
Mr. Trump says he wants to invest a trillion dollars in rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. That is a good sum of money, that is exactly what we should be doing, and we can create millions of good-paying jobs if we do that. Mr. Trump, thats what you said on the campaign trail, thats what we look forward to seeing from you.
I happen to believe that the federal minimum wage is a starvation wage, and that it should be raised to $15 dollars an hour, a living wage. Mr. Trump did not say that, but what he did say is we should raise the minimum wage to 10 bucks an hour. Not enough, but a start, and we will hold him to those words.
Mr. Trump said that Wall Street is dangerous, doing bad things, he wants to re-establish Glass-Steagall legislation. I look forward to working with him.
Mr. Trump has said he wants six weeks of paid maternity leave. Every other major country on Earth, I think, has at least 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave, but this is a start. We look forward to working with him if he is honest about that.
Mr. Trump said throughout his campaignthe cornerstone of his campaign was to change our disastrous trade policies. As someone who voted against every one of these trade policies, I look forward to working with him.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)was speaking to working families. Isn't that what Bernie also claimed to do?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Oh, right, he doesn't.