Seen At Lowes Today...

[JimGinPA]

Back to school PEPPER SPRAY! Are you kidding me?

[leftstreet]

1. What's wrong with it?

[JimGinPA]

3. Yeah, What Could Go Wrong...

With a bunch of school kids with mace? Hell, we weren't allowed to have gum when I went to school.

[leftstreet]

6. A lot goes wrong when young women aren't protected

It appears to be targeting young women and girls, and safety

I don't see a problem here

[Igel]

21. It's still banned in most schools.

At least those near where I live.

It's advertising.

[sarisataka]

36. A young lady may protect herself

Which I do not consider wrong.

What do you think could go wrong?

[Bob Loblaw]

13. Is there a way to tell

whether the purchaser of this product is a "good girl with pepper spray or a bad girl with pepper spray"?

[Flaleftist]

20. If it is for college students, I say nothing.

It is probably a prohibited item to carry in high schools.

[JennyMominFL]

2. As a woman

I understand the necessity of this. It's sad.. It is... But it's reality

[Thomas Hurt]

4. Wouldn't be buying for middle schoolers but not sure I see the issue with college women having it.

A young lady I worked with at my undergrad school was attacked the beginning of one school year.

Poor slob picked on the wrong woman with around decade of martial arts practice and competition.

Not all coeds have her background.

[Binkie The Clown]

5. We're living in Trump's America now. Sad. nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

16. Where I fully expect them to make rape legal, again. So this product is an excellent idea.

[underpants]

7. Did they have the Halloween stuff out?

They do at the one near me.

[JimGinPA]

9. Yep nt

[JenniferJuniper]

8. I have the blue one in my purse;

I hate pink shit.

[vi5]

10. They probably mean school as in college....

...And I would hope most women in college carry something to protect themselves.

[JimGinPA]

12. I Would Hope There Was An Age Requirement...

I didn't ask.


I was just stunned by the display.

[JenniferJuniper]

28. You can get the same from Amazon

although pepper spray isn't legal in every state.

[fleabiscuit]

59. Actually I believe it is legal in all states. Some have restrictions, most are very liberal.

It's just pepper spray.

[bdtrppr6]

11. nurses might need it to protect

yourself from a cop in a hospital

[Bob Loblaw]

18. Well played

nt

[BigmanPigman]

14. As a former teacher I want to know if teachers also get some in their back to

school supplies. I bought my own and knew I wasn't allowed to have it in my locked desk drawer. My only tools for self defense were a fire extinguisher and a jumprope. Our classroom doors could only be locked from the OUTSIDE too. I felt sooooo safe.

[Bob Loblaw]

15. Did they have a display

that in any way suggested that young men shouldn't assault young women?

[ileus]

17. It never hurts to have the means to defend yourself.

[Calista241]

19. Eh. I don't have a problem with it.

Some colleges are in pretty rough parts of town. Here in Atlanta, Georgia Tech students have suffered a series of carjackings and robberies.

The cops appear to be flummoxed, and despite increased patrols, cute crimes still happen.

And it's better than arming them all with firearms.

[TheBlackAdder]

22. You need police grade. Then, spray the face and douse the hair-when showing their testicles burn too

You get them twice.

If you just spray the face, they can wash it off. Hose the motherfuckers down... dumping the can.

[procon]

23. I wouldn't be so quick to fault any young woman who needs to protect herself.

Curious though, where's the criticism for all the men whose behaviour made this safety equipment an everyday necessity for young women?

[JimGinPA]

26. Sorry...

That's a little bit of a stretch to suggest somehow I'm not critical of violence against young women because I find a display of pepper spray for back-to-school a little surprising.

[procon]

35. Why are you surprised?

Young women are not always safe or well protected, even at school. Walking alone across a large, sprawling campus, through parking garages, or in low trafficked buildings, and just walking to and from school, comes pre-loaded with itinerant risks. I'm surprised that you're surprised at a display of pepper spray that only offers a bit of protection.

Would you have been equally "surprised" if the display featured black pepper spray devices instead of pink ones, or if the picture was a young man in camo holding a gun, instead of a young woman with a book bag holding a coffee cup?

[JimGinPA]

41. You're Really Going Out Of Your Way To Find Fault...

The display clearly says 'Back To School'. It doesn't say "campus" or "parking garage" or "low trafficked buildings". I suppose back to school supplies means something different now than when my kids went to school. I have no problem with young women having pepper spray attached to their car keys (which around here you have to be a senior in high school). But yes, it does surprise me that they'd target a display like this to school children.

[procon]

45. Yes? You opened this can of worms, so deal with the criticisms.

You give a weak argument, claiming a school is not a campus, really? High schools have parking garages, and almost every campus has buildings that are less used than others, shocking news, yeah? You got all breathless and rushed here in 'surprise' to assert that evidently only very young "children" go to school and they must not buy pepper spray. The logic is lacking; but that's not surprising.

[JimGinPA]

47. I Don't Think I "Opened A Can Of Worms"

I posted a picture I took At Lowes because I thought it was out of the norm. But I think you're looking for an argument, not a discussion. Why don't you Google Back to school & see what pops up. Someone upthread suggested maybe back to school guns (Walmart), but I really doubt the first few hundred hits will have anything to do with self-defense.

[procon]

49. Did you not notice the trend of the responses you've recieved in this thread?

Your complaint is not going over too well. If you still perceive that young women who feel the need to buy pepper spray for protection, are not "normal", the comments below seem to be saying otherwise.

[JimGinPA]

50. I Have No Problem With A Self Defense Display...

Or women (or anyone else for that matter) having tools to defend themselves. It's the back-to-school aspect that I found troubling. Sorry you have trouble understanding that.


If you're just one of those people that feels like they absolutely have to have the last word in order to out-debate someone, please help yourself. I'm not going to engage with you any further on this subject.

[procon]

53. Suit yourself.

Meanwhile, young woman will be a little safer as they return to school armed with a pink pepper sprayer. That's a good thing.

[Wellstone ruled]

24. Gee,tells you a lot about Lowe's Senior Management.

Might is Right,next you most likely will find MAGA Hat side stack next to the Xmas decorations.

[RhodeIslandOne]

43. Uh, how about needing it to fight off young Trump followers who think.....

....."grabbing her by the pussy" is now legal????

Your take stinks.

[Wellstone ruled]

46. Noticed through the years

how Retailers have promoted these scare type items. Seems to be a accelerated movement towards more and more of fear merchandising.

Trump=Lies=fear=hate.

[RhodeIslandOne]

57. Good for you

I'm sure a young woman whose had to use pepper spray to defend themself would care deeply.

[Wellstone ruled]

58. My comments are about finding

Pepper Spray in a DIY Store,usually one would go to a General Merchandise Store like Target,or a Wal-Mart.

Lowe's General theme used to be,do not aggravate the Customer. And when I first saw the Photo,response was,what the heck,something serious has changed Corporate Policies in the last four years.

[fleabiscuit]

61. I'd expect it in convenience stores and pharmacies too. nt

[sarisataka]

63. Why would anyone

find this aggravating?

[Wellstone ruled]

65. Knowing Lowe's Corporate

Policies,this seemed way out of place. But,times sure as heck are a changing. Next will be Shot Guns in the Tool Department.

We went to the Sporting Goods Store to purchase our Pepper Spray and when I saw this,wow. Major Corporate Culture Change for the Inventory Buyers.

[sarisataka]

66. That seems more than a small slippery slope

One stand alone display of pepper spray hardly makes them a gun shop. I believe Lowes also sells security cameras, lights and other products to secure one's home. This seems a reasonable addition to such items and much better choice than the often suggested wasp spray they also sell.

[Wellstone ruled]

68. If you had spent a few years employed by this firm,

you would see my amazement. But,what the hay. The Trump culture has invaded every corner of the Nation.

[sarisataka]

70. Never worked there

so I only have an outsiders view but Menard's and Home Depot sell similar items.

I think it is appalling that young women are so at risk of violence from domestic partners, acquaintances and strangers but that has been around long before Trump and his Sturmabteilung. Given that the risk of violence is real I fully support the right of women to acquire tools for self-defense. I would not tell any 100lb. co-ed she has to go hand to hand with a sexually aggressive 275lb. football player because I wish the country was a safer place.

[Wellstone ruled]

72. Fully understand.

Have three Grand Daughters with two in College. Hearing stories from the young Ladies weekly about crap happening on Campus. Back in the day,those bad actors were taken care of by Campus PD with in minutes.

If Menard's are selling this item,well that tells me why Lowe's are doing this. They share many of the same buyer points of origin. And nothing sunrises me about John Menard and his operation.

[sarisataka]

73. Agreed

As an aside, did you ever meet Sen. Wellstone?

[Wellstone ruled]

76. Yes,

[sarisataka]

79. I had the distinct pleasure

of encountering the late Senator twice. I have never met another politician, and very few others, who so truly believed in everything he stood for. He won my instant respect with his honesty and integrity.

I wonder if the country would be in a better place today if death did not end his service to us.

[ck4829]

25. When the President is a molester, expect anything.

[Turbineguy]

27. There must be a lot

of teenage boys who want to be like trump.

[JennyMominFL]

29. I also assumed

I also assumed this was targeted at college students not 10 year olds

[linuxman]

30. Not seeing the issue here.

[LeftInTX]

31. College students

I spent many nights late at the library. I often called security for escort. 40 yrs ago.

[RKP5637]

78. Yep, I recall that well. At our university women were told to only go out at night in pairs. If

alone they could get an escort. The school was near a large city and there had been some incidents.

[guillaumeb]

32. In 5 designer colors.

[sarisataka]

39. Is that too many colors,

Or not enough?

[guillaumeb]

42. Yes!!!

Not wishing to offend, I took the safe route.

[Lee-Lee]

33. Students shopping at Lowes College students

Getting things for their dorm rooms or apartments.

Makes perfect sense in that regard.

Why do people jump to the most absurd explanation possible then get outraged about what they assumed instead of exercising some common sense?

[sarisataka]

34. I don't see any reason

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Women should not be allowed tools to defend themselves. A keychain pepper spray is more convenient to carry than a hefty can of beans. We may wish that such items are not necessary but the reality is women, and men for that matter, may be targeted by various sorts of two-legged predators.

The sabre website has a listing summarizing laws of all 50 states. They ran the gamut from minimum restrictions to states which treat the pepper spray as the equivalent of firearms needing the same license.

[Stinky The Clown]

37. I think that's a public service. Women need to use whatever tools are available to them.

[Hoyt]

38. Wish it weren't that way, but young ladies probably need the protection. Better than gunz. n/t

[KY_EnviroGuy]

40. Objective is to match Walmart.

Some Walmarts had a back-to-school gun display!

Pepper spray is not intended for use by children - limited to 18 YO or older in many states and some other countries. Illegal in many countries in Europe and Canada (except police).

[Kaleva]

44. 15 year old boys could use this too against predatory female teachers.

But in Michigan one has to be at least 18 in order to buy and carry pepper spray so the ad may have been targeted towards college age kids.

[ProgressiveValue]

48. A victim of bullying could use that.

Of course with zero tolerance, the victim would be made to be the evil one and the bully's actions over months and years would be forgiven.

[Motley13]

51. Maybe I'm just too old to understand all this shit

[Lithos]

52. Is this the nearest Lowe's to the White House?

Might understand it in that case, else this is sad, truly sad.

[rover040]

54. I see nothing wrong with this.

My daughter goes to a university. About a year ago, a friend of hers was knocked unconscious by a would be mugger as she was walking from her parking space to the bus stop. She suffered a concussion so bad that she had to take the rest of the school year off to recover. Even now, she still suffers some repercussions from the concussion. Her assigned parking lot is the same one that my daughter is assigned to. You bet that I immediately went out and bought my daughter and her roommate pepper spray.

[BootinUp]

55. The decline of western civilization

[DashOneBravo]

56. I hope it's just "stream" types.

The others are not as effective.

[NickB79]

60. My coworker just bought some for his daughter

Here in Minnesota, it gets dark by 4pm in the dead of winter, and she'll be out much later than that around campus.

[fleabiscuit]

62. It's just pepper spray peeps.

It can be used for pretty much anything that can attack you to give you an edge to retreat. From experience I can tell you it will work on people, dogs, and maybe not surprisingly... bees. If I'm out walking or riding a bike I always take it with me, and sometimes just cuz if my spidey senses say so.

[Weekend Warrior]

64. It's estimated that over five percent of sexual assaults happen at school.

Unfortunatley, the "are you kidding me" will be directed at the product, totally oblivious to the fact there is a need for the product.

[JimGinPA]

67. Yeah, I Bought An Axe At Lowes...

Because I had a need for that product. Amazingly it wasn't on a back-to-school display.

[fleabiscuit]

69. Non Sequitur. nt

[JimGinPA]

71. I Looked At Chainsaws Too...

Not on back-to-school displays either.

[sarisataka]

74. Hard to carry and axe or chainsaw

for self defense. Perhaps you believe self defense is not needed on campuses?

One in 5 women and one in 16 men are sexually assaulted while in college (Krebs, Lindquist, Warner, Fisher, & Martin, 2007). The majority of these crimes (90%) on college campuses are never reported (Fisher, Cullen, & Turner, 2000)

http://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/publications_nsvrc_factsheet_media-packet_campus-sexual-assault.pdf

[JimGinPA]

80. Again, No Problem With The Product...

Just the display. Personally when I see "back-to-school" college isn't the first thing that comes to mind. There are no back-to-school displays at the liquor store.

[sarisataka]

81. Never say never

and more
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029545939

[Weekend Warrior]

75. As an axe shouldn't be in a back to school display. Nt

[Not Ruth]

77. Am thinking it is banned by many schools under the heading of "weapon"