Tim Ryan splits with party, endorses corporate tax cuts

[octoberlib]

Democratic Rep. Tim Ryan (Ohio) is going against party leaders and calling for a business friendly agenda ahead of the 2018-midterm elections.



“To be competitive globally, we have to reduce the corporate tax rate,” Ryan told The Hill in an interview from his Youngstown, Ohio, district office. “We’re just not competitive globally because of that."

Ryan, a fast-rising Democrat from industrial Ohio, is challenging Democrats to take a different approach to big business and work with corporate America to create jobs.

"We can’t just be the party of redistribution of wealth; we need to be the party of the creation of wealth in communities all over the country, not to just Silicon Valley, not just Wall Street, but all over."

The Democrat raised eyebrows on Capitol Hill last fall when he challenged Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) for her seat as House Minority Leader. Ryan lost, but he hasn’t stopped calling for new blood to lead Democrats ahead of the 2018-midterm elections.


http://thehill.com/video/lawmaker-interviews/348776-rising-dem-star-tim-ryan-splits-with-party-endorses-corporate-tax



He needs to go away.

[Sanity Claws]

1. DINO

[guillaumeb]

2. What if he wins?

Would it be because of this position, or in spite of it?

Is supply side economics part of the Democratic Party platform?

[BainsBane]

7. This was the "progressive" pick to replace Pelosi

You all own this shit. We fucking warned you he was a right winger. His voting record demonstrates as much. Of course it was fine when he was anti-choice and made comments about "workers who have to take a shower at the end of the day."

[guillaumeb]

10. "You all" does not include me.

Pelosi is a good leader for the Democratic Party. She cannot be blamed for GOP gerrymandering and suppression.


But, what if he wins? And on a scale of Democratic Party politicians, where is he in relation to Joe Manchin? To the left or to the right?

[BainsBane]

12. wins what?

He's a congressman. Most of those seats are safe. No way in hell he wins a race for minority leader. The only people who like him are the ones who hate the Democratic party.

[guillaumeb]

19. My Congressman is Dan Lipinski. He is strongly anti-abortion.

Personally, I would classify him as a moderate GOP Congressman, if there were any moderate GOP Congress members.

So would you primary him in his District? And what if this split the vote and a GOP Congress person was elected?

But I agree that he should not be the Minority Leader.

[BainsBane]

20. I don't live in his district

Therefore I don't believe it's for me to say. I don't know anything about the composition of his district or the history of who has held that seat. I sure as hell don't support him for minority leader. I also take some pleasure in pointing out that the people clamoring for "new faces" have been proven wrong again.

[guillaumeb]

22. "New faces" can be the same old thing in a new wrapper.

But this battle is similar to the struggle between Tea Party GOP types and sane GOP types. My feeling is that if we were talking about President Clinton at this point, much of the blame and fighting would not be taking place.

And the main reasons that I feel we are NOT talking about President Clinton are apathy, gerrymandering, and suppression, in that order.

[BainsBane]

25. If we had a President Clinton right now

All of the knives would be hurled in the direction of the White House.

[dsc]

40. I sure would

His district is very Democratic and we can do way better than him. Unfortunately the Chicago machine is hard to beat and it backs him.

[guillaumeb]

48. I believe that there is at least one challenger already.

His father was the previous Congressman and before that his father was a Chicago Alderman.

[MrsCoffee]

11. +1

[Me.]

14. Bam

And remember how she was bashed to make the environment more amenable for him. So is this the agenda of that supposedly 'groundbreaking' group he and the ever magical Krystal Ball started?

[Dustlawyer]

53. I am not a purist, I like to think I am practical and a realist though I have big goals.

When a Democrat comes out with the "America has the highest corporate tax rate in the world" crap, I know they are bought off and sold out their fellow Democrats and Progressives! Everyone who follows politics knows that this is the BS propaganda Republicans use to justify their give-aways to the rich. We know that after deductions ad loopholes they pay almost nothing or nothing at all!

It sounds good to the uninformed and ignorant, that's why they use it, but we call bull shit on that! That bastard needs to be primaried!

[Ninsianna]

64. There have been a few folks who have voting records and statements

that are unequivocally right wing, but who somehow have tried to appeal to the folks who claim to be on the left and who hate Democrats with a passion only matched by the GOP, especially Democratic women.

If only the purity crowd would concentrate on these clear Right Wingers instead of attacking Kamala Harris, Dianne Feinstein etc.

[shanny]

62. No progressive I know

bought his schtick then nor are they surprised now. I get that you don't care for progressives--as is your right--but at least go after them for things they actually do. It makes you more credible. Just a suggestion of course.

[BainsBane]

63. What I don't care for

Is a reactionary putsch passed off as progressive.

Here are just a few of the links for what you claim doesn't exist. You will need to read responses to the threads to appreciate the full magnitude of support for him. .
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028287680
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028313678
https://election.democraticunderground.com/10028286751
https://sync.democraticunderground.com/10028323214
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029234353

If you do a search under his name, you will see those critical of him are typically disparaged as centrists while his supporters proclaim themselves progressive. Searching under both Pelosi and Tim Ryan turn up the most interesting results. Ryan is a "fresh face," not a "California rich person," (as distinguished from "progressive" California millionaires, whose wealth and conspicuous consumption are deserved). Progressive is not what I would call them, but since the label means more to them than any principle or issue, they can have it. Leftist, howver, they can't have.

Now, you may claim that people who spend their days insulting Democrats as as centrist or establishment aren't really progressive. I can't disagree with that, if the definition of progressive is to move forward rather than turn the clock back by 50-75 years. That, however, is not how the term is commonly used these days. I have asked people whose entire political discourse revolves around labels such as progressive and centrist what they mean by those terms and they refuse to answer. Its clear it means one thing: people like them, and that cultural signifier is measured by absolute and uncritical adoration for a handful of members of the political and media elite, all white, male and wealthy.

Little of what I have seen championed under that label can, in my view, be considered progressive, universal healthcare being the exception. But even then the emphasis is not on policy but their political hero, the politics of personality, which strikes me as a premodern political ethos, the opposite of moving forward. But then my views are as irrelevant as my rights and my life, as I've been told my failure to recognize their inherent superiority relegates me to the ash heap of history, along with the rest of the "establishment"--the poor, women, and people of color--who fail to sacrifice their rights and their lives so that the white male bourgeoisie can rise beyond their current position in the upper. .3 % of global incomes levels.

What I dislike is the politics of entitlement. That it is passed off as "progressive" is not my doing.

[Zen Democrat]

3. What a load of right-wing dogma. As if American businesses haven't been making $$$$ hand over fist.

I hate for Democrats to use Republican Conservative spin. It's unbecoming a Democrat.

[guillaumeb]

23. The richer that the 1% get, the more they cry for tax relief. eom

[mcar]

4. And some here were touting him as Minority Leader

To replace true, strong liberal Nancy Pelosi.

[Me.]

16. But He Younger, Doncha Know

male & white

[mcar]

21. Male and white

That says it.

[BainsBane]

27. Exactly nt.

[msongs]

5. the govt benefits corporations way more than it does individuals. they should pay more nt

[BainsBane]

6. How dare you malign the "progressive"

chosen to replace Pelosi, because she lacks a "fresh face."

[octoberlib]

17. Yeah , The Hill had "rising star" before Ryan's name in their headline. He's only a star in his

own mind. I hope he gets primaried. It's hard enough fighting the GOP without also having to deal with Democratic ratfuckers.

[JHan]

43. Honestly...

I can't stop laughing.

I really wonder how some will spin this.. I'm sure they'll find a way though.

[Justice]

8. "We cant just be the party of redistribution of wealth"

Pretty much tells you what Tim Ryan thinks about the Democratic Party. Horrible.

[SharonClark]

56. I agree. He uses repug language to define the Democratic position on taxes.

Is a rising star one who spends a lot of time self-promoting and visiting Iowa?

[LonePirate]

9. I'm waiting for an elected official to state the obvious: effective corp rates

For some reason, none of them ever do.

[Thor_MN]

30. Rethugs always whine about nominal corporate tax rates and small businesses.

They couldn't care less about small businesses, but they know that the only entities paying anywhere near nominal rates are small businesses with inadequate tax representation.

The only thing Rethugs care about is lowering rates for big corporations, because it is the big corporations that fund the corrupt Rethug politicians.

[Drahthaardogs]

31. Yep. And truth be told small business taxes are prohibitive

But that's what you get when the large ones don't pay anything. Everyone else pays more

[Thrill]

13. This is why Republicans stay in power

[leftstreet]

15. When does the redistribution of the wealth start?

[dalton99a]

18. Listen up, slackers

"If more citizens can reduce stress and increase performance, they will be healthier and more resilient."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Ryan_(politician)

[haveahart]

24. Dead to me. He will probably change parties next.

Wasn't he one of those "Never Hillary" so-called Dems?

[dalton99a]

26. I hope he does

[OhioBlue]

60. No, he wasn't. He stumped for Hillary.

[Weekend Warrior]

28. "a fast-rising Democrat"

134 - 63 for Pelosi.

Fake news. It was a beat-down.

[AJT]

29. I have no problem with lowering the corporate tax rate, as long as the looholes are closed.

The only corporations that pay the 30% are small to mid-sized companies.

[MagickMuffin]

32. Corporate America is NOT interested in creating jobs

Corporate America only cares about shareholders and not much else.

[spanone]

33. how does the kool-aid taste tim?

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

34. What about the tax cuts GWB gave out?

Those put lots of money back into corporate/executive/.01%/1% pockets. Now they want to cut some more?

[blueinredohio]

35. I'm from Ohio I knew he was a closet republican

[Jim Lane]

36. Hey, I have an idea to make American businesses more competitive

How about if they don't have to bear the expense of their employees' health care, a burden that in many other countries is assumed by the government.

[red dog 1]

49. Excellent idea!

But Trump, Eddie Munster, The Turtle and the other GOP leaders will NEVER go for it.
Why not?
Because it's SOCIALISM, that's why.

ALL of the other first-world countries in Europe have single-payer health care.

However, WE will not get single-payer (Medicare for All) anytime soon.
Why not?
Because of the following 3 things:
A) - James Comey's 10/28/2016 letter to Congress about finding more HRC emails
(which was a blatant violation of the 1939 Hatch Act)
B) - Vladimir Putin's interference in the 2016 presidential election, (aided by Trump)
C) - Massive GOP-engineered voter suppression of millions of eligible Democratic voters who
were NOT able to vote for Hillary Clinton

THAT'S why Trump won!
THAT'S why we'll NEVER get single-payer, Medicare-for-All

If the Democrats aren't able to take back control of both Houses of Congress next year,
we are all doomed!

As far as DINO Rep Tim Ryan joining the Repukes on supporting corporate tax cuts, the Democratic Party should "Primary" him next year.
Find a popular Ohio Democrat, perhaps a sitting mayor, like Frank Jackson, Mayor of Cleveland. Michael Coleman, Mayor of Columbus, John Cranley, Mayor of Cincinnati, or perhaps a popular woman mayor like Mayor Nan Whaley of Canton.
Tim Ryan should be challenged in the primary election next year!!

[sinkingfeeling]

37. Why does it matter what the rate is when corporations don't pay it

anyway? If it's true that US rates are the problem, let's see a list of what each Fortune 500 or 1000 actually paid

[red dog 1]

41. "Profitable Companies, No Taxes: Here's How They Did It"

Complaining that the United States has one of the world's highest corporate tax levels, President Trump and congressional Republicans have repeatedly vowed to shrink it.

Yet, if the level is so high, why have so many companies' income tax bills added up to zero?

That's what a new analysis of 258 profitable Fortune 500 companies that earned more than
$3.8 trillion in profits showed.

Although the top corporate rate is 35 percent, hardly any company actually pays that.
(Some huge corporations pay no taxes at all)

How does a billion-dollar company pay no taxes?

More (from a March 9, 2017 NYT article):
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/09/business/economy/corporate-tax-report.html

[JHan]

42. thanks for the link. +++

[taught_me_patience]

44. Look up Wal-Marts tax rate

You'll be shocked what they pay.

[sinkingfeeling]

46. 29% 2008-2012 per Americans for Tax Fairness

[maxsolomon]

38. Adopting THEIR language: "redistribution of wealth"

we ARE the party of wealth in all communities, you fucking dolt.

[red dog 1]

39. Pelosi & Democratic leaders want to cut taxes for middle-class families instead of corporations

(From the OP)
Pelosi stuck by her party's message in a statement released Wednesday following Trump's speech unveiling his pro-business tax proposal.

"Instead of offering the American people a plan for real, job-creating tax reform, President Trump
is pushing a billionaires-first, trickle-down tax scheme that hands out massive tax cuts to the wealthiest, at the expense of American families," Pelosi said in the statement.

[taught_me_patience]

45. It should be lower along with closing of loopholes

25% would be a good rate. The current rate is way too high.

[WinkyDink]

50. Just great. Who doesn't know that tax cuts benefit only CEOs and shareholders?

[Chasstev365]

51. BULL SHIT!

[kimbutgar]

52. Money over the constituents flipped him to dark money to stay in power

Bye bye Ryan your seats going to a rethug for that stand.


I am a tax all the rich mf'ers up the ying yang and more.

[defacto7]

54. Ass backward logic under present circumstances.

Keep taxes, drop loopholes, add employee insentives and benifits, have reasonable executive salaries... the businesses will prosper, shareholders will make profits, the economy will boom, the world becomes a place worth living in. The end.

Our present system, unbridled capitalism, the oligarch/kleptocratic systems have always ended in disaster.

[Lyricalinklines]

55. How wonderful of him to announce this so we can find a replacement.

Good gawd! I realize he's likely appeasing Donors or appealing to them, however he's also displayed to the voters he will cut them out of any positive progress.

Small businesses are where tax cuts need to go! Small businesses need less/different regulation than corporations. Small businesses need assistance. The larger you become, the better able you are to sustain yourself. The reward for being successful is found within the success, not expecting special privileges for being successful.

Redistribution of wealth does need to occur! From the overseas shelters to reestablish middle class.

From CEO/COO tax free bonuses to reestablish the middle class.

From corporate welfare to reestablish the middle class.

Fear will take you down the road to the corporations back pocket.

Stop letting their propaganda ignite your fear!

[LittleBlue]

57. He's not entirely wrong. We have bizarrely high corporate tax rates

https://home.kpmg.com/xx/en/home/services/tax/tax-tools-and-resources/tax-rates-online/corporate-tax-rates-table.html

IIRC our top corporate tax rate is the highest in the OECD, higher than any European country and Canada. The difference is that we give credits/deductions/etc to get the tax bill down.

Personally I'd be in favor of reducing the top rate if it meant all the special goodies, like tax breaks for oil companies, would be removed.

[JI7]

58. isn't this the future of the party that nancy pelosi selifishly is preventing from

taking the lead ?

hahhaha

[herding cats]

59. I warned people here he was a slimy opportunist

But, those thinking he was some knight in shining armor on a white horse chose not to listen.

Well, now you can clearly see his true colors.

[geek tragedy]

61. Gross. Another fake populist. This is disappointing nt