Diane Feinstein doesnt deserve another chance....

[busterbrown]

As far as I’m concerned..I live in cali and I hope she is challanged in 2018..

There is absolutely no excuse for her statements defending Trump with regards to Harvey..
“He could be a good President” "We must have patience”..

This type of moderate behavior in this frightening hour for our country.. Is just so fucked up !!








The leader of California's state Senate on Wednesday sharply criticized a call from Sen. Dianne Feinstein for "patience" with President Trump, suggesting it was tantamount to being "complicit" in his behavior.

The comments by Senate President Pro Tem Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles) offer a glimpse into the vastly different approaches by two leading California Democrats to Trump's first few months in office.

"It is the responsibility of Congress to hold him accountable — especially Democrats, not be complicit in his reckless behavior," de León said in a written statement, first reported by San Francisco's KQED public radio.

Feinstein, who spoke Tuesday night at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco, was booed by the crowd after saying she still thinks he can be a "good president." She went on to suggest a pause before passing judgment in the wake of how Trump will have to handle Hurricane Harvey

[LovingA2andMI]

1. Californians Need To Make Sure....

She faces and primary. Point blank period!

[The Wielding Truth]

3. Just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Make sure her rival is superior.

[Demsrule86]

11. Again no...not when the GOP will ram every piece of shit legislation through

if we lose Senators...as I stated before incumbents have an advantage.

[haveahart]

29. Sounds like a "Revolution" statement to me. Stop pounding and trashing establishment Dems.

They have been fighting for us since Roosevelt!

[Demsrule86]

59. We need to go after the GOP for sure.

[MrsCoffee]

84. That sounds about right.

Check the profile. Independent Underground.

I guess telling the party what to do from the outside is en vogue these days.

[CrispyQ]

2. This:

This type of moderate behavior in this frightening hour for our country.. Is just too fucked up to even discuss.

[Demsrule86]

10. It is words...votes are what matter ...no one gives two fucks what Dianne Feinstein says.

Worry about the GOP.

[busterbrown]

12. Huh? You acquire votes with words...

Remember Mit Romey?

[Demsrule86]

58. Feinstein is a sitting Democratic Senator who can be expected to hold her seat...put money and time

in unseating the GOP...she has always been a target of the left left...not necessarily Democrats.

[busterbrown]

66. Not Me.. Never a Target..

But a fuck up.. “ Could be a good Pres.” “ Be patient” This has nothing to do with history. She Fucked up!

[CrispyQ]

16. "There is no other Donald Trump, this is it" - Hillary Clinton

Words matter. And Feinstein's words seem to indicate the Con will eventually be okay. Just have patience. Fuck that.

[Demsrule86]

57. Nothing to do with primarying a sitting Democratic Senator...focus people. The Senate will

tough in 18.

[shanny]

37. So you disagree with Hillary.

I'd worry about that too.

[Demsrule86]

55. I don't know what you are talking about...my point is that I don't care what Feinstein said.

I care more about holding the Senate which does not involve subjecting sitting Democrats to useless expensive primaries...we are in a battle to save the country at the moment and much depends on holding the Senate in a difficult years for us.

[BigmanPigman]

4. I am trying to wrap my head around this (CA resident too).

Is there possibly a political reason behind her statement? Maybe she has secret info that we aren't aware of and she can't disclose? Maybe she is playing Devil's advocate? Maybe she is trying to appear non partisan in case sometime in the future removal from office is viewed as a 100% Dem idea and promoted that way by the right wing media and GOP mouthpieces?

[Warpy]

5. Not up to us. Californians have thought she's done a good job

so they've kept returning her to the Senate.

And this firestorm over what she said is silly beyond belief. What she voiced was the possibility Asshole could turn it around and be a decent president.

While most of us realize the possibility is slim, very, very slim, it's there.

So take some deep breaths, let your blood pressure fall, and try to realize she didn't say anything as tacky as people here are pretending she did.

(No, she's not my favorite, either, she's too conservative, but I recognize a tempest in a teapot when I see one)

[busterbrown]

8. Couldnt disagree with you more...

Really? One of the worst characteristics of our Dem. Party is the consistant manner of stepping back!

[shanny]

39. A slim chance donny boy could turn it around?

puhleese.

if she believes that, as opposed to being happy talk for the cameras, she needs to retire. yesterday.

[Expecting Rain]

71. We know she's done a great job.

Dianne Feinstein has brought maturity, wisdom, a deep understanding of issues, and terrific leadership skills to the Senate representing California.

A great Senator!

[clu]

6. she is ammunition for the right

with respect to crony lobbyism that the "establishment" represents. ofc they will vote for trump but that is because he speaks his mind

[FLPanhandle]

7. What a great time for infighting within the Democratic Party

How about we focus on Trump and Republicans.

Right now we need everyone with D next to their name.

[busterbrown]

15. This is California..

A stronger younger candidate is needed to primary her... It is higly unlikely that we would lose this seat under any cirtcumstansces.. And I’m not being cocky...It is time for Diane to go..

[SHRED]

78. This

[Eliot Rosewater]

31. I agree with you

[Hekate]

48. Thank you from SoCal. She's powerful, she does good work 99% of the time, and whoever unseats her...

...will start over at the bottom. Needless to say, that person could be a Republican.

California is not all "blue," and never has been. Both Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan came out of California. Just a few miles inland, we have conservatives and right wingers out the wazoo.

Folks who think Calexit is a swell idea have just gotten permission to hire people to gather signatures on petitions to put this idiotic notion on the ballot next year. It's financed by the same people who brought us Brexit -- i.e. the Russians.

So just what California and the nation needs is a great brawling wounding primary battle for Diane Feinstein's seat.

The Senator is 80 or so. She could retire soon and surprise us. Or she could stay on for another term, doing the same work she's been doing all her life, which has been more than acceptable.

[Demsrule86]

9. I hope not. We can't afford to lose her seat and incumbents are way more safe.

So she said something you didn't like...big deal. She votes Democratic...how about worrying about how we are going to take back a still gerrymandered house? And the Senate is extremely difficult for Dems in 18 ...no time for primary bullshit. Can we please concentrate on winning for a change?

[shanny]

40. lose a senate seat in CA? gimme a break

altho running her again with this attitude could do it

[Hekate]

50. Easy. California has a lot of conservatives.

[shanny]

53. yes that is apparent

in their legislature, congressional delegation and presidential vote

[Demsrule86]

54. You have had Republican governors there...this is not the time to primary Democrats...

waste of money and time...risky.

[shanny]

68. rot

the democratic party could use an infusion: we haven't had much, for years

[NurseJackie]

13. Good grief.

[Fix The Stupid]

14. What if a Du'er said "let's give trump a chance" on this site?

lol...yeah... wrap your head around that scenario.

Then what happens if a Dem pol criticizes another Dem pol?

heads explode.

lol...this is the problem with echo chambers.

[PDittie]

87. There's supposed to be no criticism of Democrats

on this site. It's supposed to be a violation of the terms of service, and if it is reported (alerted) a jury is should vote on its removal.

This one would seem to be in violation, wouldn't it?

But I won't alert on it, because the fact is that some criticism of Democrats is warranted, and even earned. As in this case. In my experience it usually comes down to whose ox on which side of the Democratic caucus is being gored (pun intended).

[JimGinPA]

17. Whew! I'm Sure Glad I've Never Said Anything Stupid In My Life!

It seems that's unforgivable despite whatever good I may have done.

[busterbrown]

18. Your comment reflects the manner ..

in which the Dem. Party has been run for years.

There is no room for mistakes as huge as this! Period.

Dems. Have always been considered as the adults in the room..Fuck that!
Donald Trump is our President.. No more room for mistakes as huge as this.

[JimGinPA]

19. Obviously...

I value your opinion less than you do.

[delisen]

23. Don't see it as huge at all.

Letting the Republicans pick up 1000 seats from 2010 forward because most could not see that passing the ACA would result in the rise of the Tea Party-hat was huge--and it included millions of Dem voters.

[shanny]

41. i'd say it was passing a lame-ass ACA

without a public option or any kind of cost control that resulted in the wins the tea party racked up.

you know they will attack us regardless--do you think not passing the legislation our base wants somehow helps us win?

[sheshe2]

63. Single Payer NEVER had the votes.

[shanny]

67. don't believe I said fuck all about single payer

did I? "public option" is not the same thing, never was

[still_one]

74. That is the problem, some people can't seem to comprehend that fact that they didn't have the votes.

Nelson in Nebraska, Nelson in Florida, Lincoln, Bayh, Liberman, and every blue dog made it very clear they would not go for single payer or a public option. Medicare for anyone 55 or older floated, and that was a no go also.

They had a very small window to get something or have nothing.

[George II]

72. There are only 538 seats in the House and Senate combined. So...

...how did the republicans "pick up 1000 seat from 2010"?

Now passing the ACA was a mistake?

[HopeAgain]

28. Mistake as huge as this?

Exactly how did her comment change anything?


"Thousand of voters flock to Trump after he didn't receive full throated condemnation from DF." Yeah, right.

[leftstreet]

20. She's 84. Most of us will retire long before that

DURec

[busterbrown]

21. Dont know how to respond to that.

Did you state that fact for a reason.?

[busterbrown]

25. I never would have thought 84..

This could have been a senior moment..

[leftstreet]

26. Seriously, you have to wonder

It's like explaining a bad person to your great-granny and she finally says 'well maybe he can change and do better'

[BainsBane]

42. Yet we are supposed to "unify" around a president

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who will be 87 by the end of a second term.

[melman]

69. lol

As always it's never not about Sen. You Know Who.

[BainsBane]

75. Is that supposed to disprove my point?

Don't you ever get bored of patrolling the site for signs of heresy. Yes, I don't share your adoration of one man? So what? I probably don't like the same TV shows you do either, and I may not like your favorite restaurant. Deal with it. The country is filled with millions of people whose preferences differ from yours. Are you gong to devote even more years marking people because of minor differences, such as which public figures they like or don't like, and never discuss a single issue?

[NurseJackie]

82. This. Is. Perfect. (Thank you.)

[PDittie]

88. Ageism is the new sexism

[FreepFryer]

24. Foolishness. Feinstein's condemnation crystal clear to anyone who understands Senate politics. (n/t)

[busterbrown]

27. Obviously those who voted for Trump..

Only thing that matters is the vote.. not the intelligence.. Low intelligence was primary to Trump’s win.

[populistdriven]

30. Irrelevant, Need ACTION not words from DEMOCRATS nt

[busterbrown]

32. Words are the action of politics n/t

[bettyellen]

33. Of course the quotes are lacking context- is the patience about how he handles Harvey?

It remains to be seen, but t appears she is setting him up for condemnation because he will fuck it up. She is just trying to look open minded. Fuck primarying Dems over stupid shit, this is knee jerk purism, and it sucks.

[busterbrown]

34. "Setting him Up"

You would make a good attorney..

[bettyellen]

35. The truth is- it's too early to judge him on this specific emergency except in superficial

Ways... which is already been done, and in easy that attack the policy, which few have the stomach for while we are in the midst of it. It would be stuoid to condem him - Tuesday- before he actually totally sucks. It makes that look knee jerk. But knee jerkers going want that, I guess.

[BainsBane]

46. Then what was this?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029024445

I'll await your lawyerly response.

[BainsBane]

45. the only thing pure about any of this

is the hypocrisy.

Don't forget: "Trump is right." https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029024445

[bettyellen]

49. It's Dem bashing bullshit. No one is out there attacking Trump's response except superficially-

His wooden behavior, and that hadn't even happened yet. It really would have been too early to condemn him on Tuesday - it still is, and the OP knows it.

[ucrdem]

36. So what happens when Calif has its next catastrophe and she has to go hat in hand to big daddy?

Sure it was a dumb thing to say but Trump is not exactly the magnanimous type.

[ucrdem]

89. ... and right on cue:

"Largest wildfire in Los Angeles history forces hundreds to evacuate"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-wildfires/largest-wildfire-in-los-angeles-history-forces-hundreds-to-evacuate-idUSKCN1BD0DX

Jerry has already declared a state emergency but sooner or later this one is going to require a pas-de-deux with le président.

[still_one]

38. Doesn't deserve a second chance for what? There were so many qualifiers in her statement that would

never happen under trump. This is just an excuse by some to express vitriol toward Feinstein and Pelosi. Some of those who are so anxious to rage about this, had no problem when, someone whose name escapes me at the moment declared that trump supporters were not deplorable, and that statement had NO qualifiers.

Not too long ago there was similar rage expressed when a prominent independent expressed support for a Democrat who was anti-choice.

Let's keep this bullshit going

[Expecting Rain]

73. Spot on!

This is nothing but Democrat bashing from the usual suspects.

[still_one]

80. Not surprisingly they were bashing Senator Harris a short time ago. She didn't meet "some" people's

criteria of being "progressive" enough

She signed onto a Single Payer bill yesterday, and,of those bashers seem not to be as antagonistic toward her as they were last week.

The problem isn't that one disagrees with someone's position on something, it is that some of these folks take it a step further, and go out of their way, and bash and name call fellow elected Democrats, and the only purpose that serves is to divide the party.

California has been a consistent blue state, and we have been electing good solid Democratic Senators for years. That cannot be said for other states, such as in 2016, where every Democrat running for Senate in those critical swing states, lost to the "incumbent, establishment, republican".

47% of eligible voters didn't bother to vote, and I cannot help but think that the undermining, distortions, and outright bullshit, such as, "there is no difference between the republican and Democratic party", or "the Democrats need to give us a reason to vote for them", had some impact.

Obviously, for some of these folks the Supreme Court wasn't reason enough. Civil Rights weren't reason enough. Workers rights weren't reason enough, women's rights weren't reason enough, environmental rights weren't reason enough", etc.

[BainsBane]

43. funny, I remember how it important it was not to criticize someone else's

positive comments about Trump, and that was about healthcare, not a hurricane.

[oasis]

44. Feinstein's thinking ahead. Her impeachment vote can be counted on

when the time comes. Right now, it would not be wise for the ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee to appear politically biased.

[vi5]

47. Look, this is the best we can do in such a deep red state!

So we need to just suck it up! Stop looking for ponies you purity police!!!

Wait, what?

What's that you say?

Oh wait. Never mind.

[murielm99]

51. Well lookie here:

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/332223-sanders-trump-is-right-on-australian-healthcare-system

I guess Bernie does not deserve another chance?

[Me.]

52. But...He's A Man

And not a Dem so he gets dispensation

[DesertRat]

60. There was even a DU thread about it

Back in May, it looked like the consensus was that it was no big deal, not even an issue.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029024445

[still_one]

61. He also didn't think trump voters were deplorable, racist, sexist, or homophobes.

I wonder if he believes if there is any swamp land in Arizona for sale

[murielm99]

62. No second chance for you, Bernie!

[sheshe2]

64. Ouch.

[Starry Messenger]

65. Ding!

[Warren DeMontague]

56. I'd like to see another CA senator who is in the 21st century on Marijuana legalization.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-04-05/oldest-us-senators-accused-of-holding-biased-marijuana-hearing


I think West Coast voters deserve at least that much.

[Expecting Rain]

70. Anyone who calls our state "Cali" knows jack-shit about our state...

No matter his or her place of residence. LOL.

The comments about the fantastic senior Senator form California have been thoroughly misrepresented in this thread (and especially in the OP).

Why slander Democrats on Democratic Underground with lies?

[busterbrown]

76. Ive been here 35 years..

I suggest you might at least ask before you start making dumb assertions.

What was the exact” lie” .. How did I slander.. Obviously you won’t be able answer.

Plus there are many who agree with me on this thread.

Suggest you read the whole thread before you jump to conclusions.....Sad!

[MrsCoffee]

83. Talk about jumping to conclusions....

Suggest you read her entire comment before calling for her head. You left out some important "ifs" and other words.

Do you think we should primary Bernie or is he excused when his comments contained no such qualifiers?

Sad!

The only thing obvious is the double standard. Old white men get pass after pass while we see a plethora of attacks against female Democrats. Feinstein. Pelosi. Harris. And the one who got no passes at all from the same attackers, Hillary.

Women in the party are sick of it. Expect us to call it out more and more even though you think *cough* many *cough* agree with you.

[busterbrown]

85. Ah... So thats what this is all about..

Barking up the wrong tree with me on this one..

there still are a lot of great Dem Women out there... I woukd go all in on Baldwin or Harris..

2 Female Repubs.. are the reason we don’t have Trumpcare..

If any male slipped like Feinstein did.. I would have been on their butts...twice as hard,

[MrsCoffee]

86. There have been plenty of men saying it outright. Not "slipped". Bernie for one.

What this is about, is knee jerk reactions to a portion of what someone said. It's been pointed out to you repeatedly that you omitted most of her statement. Then you go on an ageist rant as well.

So were you on Bernie's butt twice as hard?

I'm just saying, perhaps you should reread her words. The whole statement.

[Retrograde]

90. Then you should know

that California no longer has party primaries for anything other than president.

If Feinstein runs next year she'll be in an open primary with 30-50 other people, some of whom many identify themselves by party. The top two vote getters in June will go on to battle it out in November. Last time we saw two Democrats: next time it can be two Republicans, especially if the people behind the scenes manage to stir up enough dissention about Feinstein that Democrats split their votes among a half dozen people.

[MLAA]

77. Isn't this the same DiFi that looked like she had seen a ghost after some intelligence briefing?

[smirkymonkey]

79. I was just thinking about that. What does she know that we don't?

I would love to know what transpired during that briefing. I have a feeling that her words might make more sense if we had known. Still, it's not inspiring a lot of faith in me as far as she is concerned.

[whistler162]

81. Don't Spew it Do it

We all wait to see your name on the Democratic Primary ballot.