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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 01:52 PM Aug 2017

Does Hillary Owe Us An Apology? Or Does The Media Owe Her One? - Gene Lyons

Gene Lyons
Does Hillary Owe Us An Apology? Or Does The Media Owe Her One?
August 29, 2017 9:59 pm

Full article posted with the permission of the author -- Don

Way back in April, 1994 Hillary Rodham Clinton held a press conference concerning Whitewater, the granddaddy of all phony Clinton scandals. Pressed about whether she and her husband should have known that their Ozarks real estate partnership was doing badly and paid off its loans, she responded flippantly.

“Shoulda, coulda, woulda,” she said. “We didn’t.”

Editorialists pronounced themselves offended. She was even dubbed a “congenital liar,” although the facts eventually showed that the Clintons’ partner Jim McDougal had actively deceived them about their investment. But you never saw a straightforward account in the scandal-mongering press. That would have spoiled the fun.

From Whitewater through Benghazi, the Clinton Foundation and her accursed emails, it became a familiar pattern. Hillary Clinton was arrogant, corrupt, deceptive—essentially a brass-plated bitch. Each time the actual evidence revealed no real crime, her detractors simply moved on to the next damned thing. It was like something out of Lord of the Flies.

“Lock her up,” crowds chanted, although that was never going to happen.

Sorry to say, but among Hillary’s most ardent detractors were certain of the MSNBC All-Stars and New York Times columnists currently rending their garments over the misbegotten presidency of Donald Trump. I’ve yet to notice even one acknowledge his or her role in the ritual stoning.

In 2015, both the Times and Washington Post cut deals with Peter Schweitzer, author of Clinton Cash, a murky expose of imagined corruption at the Clinton Foundation. Schweitzer basically proved that to raise billions for health care in Africa, it’s necessary to pal around with rich people. Not that Bill and Hillary ever minded. Schweitzer’s book was financed by a foundation run by one Stephen K. Bannon—a fellow recently in the news.

To summarize, a recent report from Harvard’s Shorenstein Center documented that Clinton scandals drew “sixteen times the amount of news coverage given to [Hillary’s] most heavily covered policy position.” Her emails alone drew four times more negative coverage than the old P***y Grabber’s treatment of women.

On the day FBI director James Comey released his ill-advised, ultimately withdrawn letter hinting at previously undiscovered emails, the Times’ entire front page above the fold was devoted to the story. Sample headline: “With 11 Days to Go, Trump Says Revelation Changes Everything.”

As, indeed, it did. Absolutely did the bitch in. Anybody who denies Comey’s intervention settled the election can’t have looked at the data.

Fat lot of good it did him.

So anyway, there was Hillary last week giving us the shoulda, coulda, woulda version of her 2016 election loss. Given that any baseball fan can name pitchers who never got over surrendering dramatic home runs, maybe her contrition shouldn’t be surprising.

Nevertheless, I found it so.

“Every day that I was a candidate for president,” she wrote, “I knew that millions of people were counting on me, and I couldn’t bear the idea of letting them down—but I did. I couldn’t get the job done, and I’ll have to live with that for the rest of my life.”

But what really eats at Hillary is her failure to confront the Bully-in-Chief when she had the chance. In a recorded excerpt on “Morning Joe,” she remembers thinking “This is not O.K….It was the second presidential debate, and Donald Trump was looming behind me. Two days before, the world heard him brag about groping women. Now we were on a small stage and no matter where I walked, he followed me closely, staring at me, making faces. It was incredibly uncomfortable. He was literally breathing down my neck. My skin crawled.”

Indeed, replays show the big galoot lurching around the stage like the villain in a teen slasher film. All he lacked was a pair of overalls and a chainsaw. Hillary recalls asking herself what to do:

“Do you stay calm, keep smiling and carry on as if he weren’t repeatedly invading your space?” she said. “Or do you turn, look him in the eye, and say loudly and clearly: ‘Back up, you creep, get away from me! I know you love to intimidate women, but you can’t intimidate me, so back up.’ ”

“I chose option A. I kept my cool, aided by a lifetime of difficult men trying to throw me off. I did, however, grip the microphone extra hard. I wonder, though, whether I should have chosen option B. It certainly would have been better TV. Maybe I have overlearned the lesson of staying calm, biting my tongue, digging my fingernails into a clenched fist, smiling all the while, determined to present a composed face to the world.”

Better TV maybe, but Option B risked disaster. A classic New York blowhard surrounded by bodyguards all his life, Trump revels in name-calling contests. There are no depths to which he won’t sink.

But then I don’t think Hillary Clinton owes me an apology at all.

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http://www.nationalmemo.com/hillary-apology-media/

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Does Hillary Owe Us An Apology? Or Does The Media Owe Her One? - Gene Lyons (Original Post) DonViejo Aug 2017 OP
It doesn't matter now. The Clintons are history leftstreet Aug 2017 #1
So agree. Wellstone ruled Aug 2017 #2
It does matter. It will always matter. maxsolomon Aug 2017 #5
What consequences could there have been? leftstreet Aug 2017 #8
I suppose the press even noticing what I was yelling about would have been one maxsolomon Aug 2017 #11
I think the coverage of Trump failed in that it treated sexism as a joke instead of a real world bettyellen Aug 2017 #32
Absolutely agree peggysue2 Aug 2017 #13
It matters for every woman who runs for office after her. KitSileya Aug 2017 #12
Good luck getting them to apologize for their misogyny leftstreet Aug 2017 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Justice Aug 2017 #18
This is analysis of an election which had greater stakes than any other in recent memory.. JHan Aug 2017 #19
They don't bother me leftstreet Aug 2017 #20
Everyone knows they're not in office so.. JHan Aug 2017 #21
That's a good point leftstreet Aug 2017 #22
You've gotten great replies why the article is relevant. JHan Aug 2017 #23
It won't help moving forward leftstreet Aug 2017 #24
It's a topic of interest, it will get discussed. JHan Aug 2017 #28
No doubt n/t leftstreet Aug 2017 #30
It matters when people behave badly and are not held accountable for it. Encourages more bad Justice Aug 2017 #25
It DOES matter because unless the MSM takes responsibility for its part in the debacle pnwmom Aug 2017 #35
How will you get them to do that? leftstreet Aug 2017 #37
. ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #38
We and the media owe her, and one another, many apologies. Orsino Aug 2017 #3
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Aug 2017 #4
She was the most qualified person to run for the office, in history, if you dont include Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #6
And blowhard Joe Scar attacked her on Morning Joe this morning. SharonClark Aug 2017 #7
k and r--the media, and many others, do indeed owe her --her whole family-major mea maxima culpas niyad Aug 2017 #9
Am still with HER! Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #10
History will decide whether or not it mattered that lapucelle Aug 2017 #15
The media owes her a BIG apology. She won, but was cheated out of the presidency lunamagica Aug 2017 #16
even people who should have known better fell for this bullshit Skittles Aug 2017 #17
The press needs to apologize underpants Aug 2017 #26
To anyone who believes she owes an apology to anyone, 6000eliot Aug 2017 #27
Perfect response! Permanut Aug 2017 #34
Major media, especially broadcast media, owe us all a huge apology Warpy Aug 2017 #29
It's time to move on MadCrow Aug 2017 #31
You're fooling yourself if you don't think the MSM will find any way it can to take down pnwmom Aug 2017 #36
100 years from now the GOP will say .... but the Clintons .. rickford66 Aug 2017 #33

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
1. It doesn't matter now. The Clintons are history
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 01:56 PM
Aug 2017

and that's not a criticism of them

They aren't the future of the Democratic party, they're the past


Interesting article all the same, and this thread should be epic

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
2. So agree.
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 02:02 PM
Aug 2017

Our Party must move on,and craft a Workers Message that sells,not some two bit slogan that totally missed the mark. Spent all of October and up to Election Day on the phones getting people registered and out to vote,we can and must do better. Been down this road before,Humphrey,Mondale,and Gore.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
5. It does matter. It will always matter.
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 02:20 PM
Aug 2017

It matters to every one of her female supporters that Trump's BS intimidation tactic had no consequences. As usual.

Her loss to that transparent Narcissist is a tragedy for the planet on every level I can contemplate.

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
8. What consequences could there have been?
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 02:46 PM
Aug 2017

Her only shot was the electoral college

I agree it's a tragedy. It's also a tragedy that there's no Constitutional mechanism in place to have changed anything

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
11. I suppose the press even noticing what I was yelling about would have been one
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 02:55 PM
Aug 2017

80,000 more White Women in the Rust Belt recognizing that he's a leering creep and voting accordingly.

But this is America, so I don't have much hope for rational behavior from my fellow citizens.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
32. I think the coverage of Trump failed in that it treated sexism as a joke instead of a real world
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 05:55 PM
Aug 2017

Problem attitudes like his cause in society. He tried to get women fired for not submitting to his advances. That SHOULD have been a serious scandal, but they got swept up on his ugly little world where women are a joke. The media fucke dus over and then spent months following around WWC men after the election. They bolstered the perception that only they mattered by covering it that way . The consequences of that are that we got Trump.

peggysue2

(10,833 posts)
13. Absolutely agree
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 03:09 PM
Aug 2017

It does matter. It will always matter.

Because if it doesn't we're likely to have a string of illegitimate elections and ignorant, thoroughly compromised oafs running the country and bringing us all down. Mueller and Schneiderman are working the legal angles to effect the ultimate consequences--indictments. It won't overturn the travesty but it will set markers for the future: Repeat this election circus and propaganda nightmare with a foreign adversary? And your asses will go to jail.

In the meantime, our focus should be on 2018. I suspect the Clinton's would agree with this.

And no, Hillary owes no one an apology. In fact, she tried to warn the country. But the media was too intent on TV ratings, complicit in Trump's election. Jeff Zucker famously stated: Trump may be bad for the country. But he's great TV.

That statement certainly hasn't aged well.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
12. It matters for every woman who runs for office after her.
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 03:06 PM
Aug 2017

Just like the birther movement matters for every person of color running after Obama. The relentless attacks on Hillary wasn't just because it was Hillary Clinton, it was because she was a woman, and it revealed, yet again, the deep misogyny that runs rampant in our society on both sides of the political spectrum. Any woman trying for the highest office in the land will have to take into consideration withstanding the incredibly vituperative mendacity the likes of which no white man will ever face. Not even Al Gore and John Kerry got what President Obama and Secretary Clinton got when running for office...and after.

It matters because it raised the price of running for two groups of potential candidates who had a higher price to pay to begin with.

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
14. Good luck getting them to apologize for their misogyny
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 03:12 PM
Aug 2017

You're not wrong

AND it will happen again with the next female candidate

I don't know the answer

Response to leftstreet (Reply #1)

JHan

(10,173 posts)
19. This is analysis of an election which had greater stakes than any other in recent memory..
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 05:02 PM
Aug 2017

And yeah we DO need to discuss what the election exposed, and that would involve Hillary. It's not even a fucking year yet.

if seeing anything about the Clintons bothers you there's a trash thread feature

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
22. That's a good point
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 05:09 PM
Aug 2017

And I don't know why the article is relevant...given that they're not in office

JHan

(10,173 posts)
23. You've gotten great replies why the article is relevant.
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 05:14 PM
Aug 2017

if we applied your logic consistently, in all situations, Obama is forever irrelevant since he's left office.. really? If past politicians wish to do advocacy work, should they be dismissed because "their time is past" ?

In an election where we had weaponization of data which impacted media narratives, FBI intervention in an election, russian propaganda, an actual investigation into russian interference and a President's possible financial dealings with a foreign adversary , and a president who only won because of the electoral college, I will have to assume anyone wondering why there's still interest in the goings on of last year, including how his opponent was treated (or her thoughts on the matter), is living under a rock?

Unless what you really want to say is you're tired of the Clintons and wish they would go away ... in that case, just say so?

But your reasoning ,as it stands, makes very little sense.

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
24. It won't help moving forward
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 05:25 PM
Aug 2017

You can find just as many 'investigative' articles about how decades of reichwing news media unfairly demonized the Clintons and may have ultimately got us where we are today

It's of interest, of course. But the same media that set out to crucify the Clintons all those years ago will do the same thing today.

Today the party can't afford to do anything but move on

JHan

(10,173 posts)
28. It's a topic of interest, it will get discussed.
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 05:39 PM
Aug 2017

"Moving forward" - yes The party is moving forward, leadership has repeatedly said they're "Moving forward".

Would you take "moving forward" to mean: let's ignore what happened last year and stop investigations about it because it's the past? Of course not. So clearly last year is still relevant, yes? Of course it's not the only thing Democrats should focus on and they're not only focusing on it but it's critical we understand what happened for a couple reasons such as: How to counter weaponization of data, propaganda, and how to win meme wars ( this is critical, it's not just about having a "message" - you may have to play dirty) and rethinking political strategies - depending less on traditional political tactics to win.

I do agree that many influential publications have been full of shit where the Clintons are concerned and hypocritical. Yeah, that's a given.

Personally, I'm VERY interested in the narratives that dragged the female candidate last year, I'm not the only woman who is - this has been explained to you in this thread.

Justice

(7,188 posts)
25. It matters when people behave badly and are not held accountable for it. Encourages more bad
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 05:29 PM
Aug 2017

behavior. So when the GOP invaded Iraq on lies and was never held to account, they became emboldened to do more lying. There was no accountability or self reflection about the deceptiveness - that matters. Its like a fever has taken hold of them - they are like the young girls in Salem accusing people of being witches - the more attention they get, the more they accuse and the crazier they act.

When the media attacked Hillary relentlessly and disproportionate to the concerns, and no one held them responsible, and there was no self reflection on the media's part - that matters. If you push Glenn Thrush of the NYT too far accusing him of making mistakes in coverage of Hillary - he will block you on Twitter. He and Maggie Haberman etc. don't take any responsibility for their mistakes and fixations and exaggerations.

The author of the October 31 piece in the NYT that shut down David Corn's piece on the dossier - the NYT piece was "Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia" which now seems laughable it is so wrong. But at the time, it shut down all discussion about Corn's piece on the dossier. That author - Eric Lichtblau - was rewarded for his mistakes but getting hired by CNN - He was fired by CNN for a retracted story about the Mooch.

Don't get me started on Facebook and Twitter and fake news.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
35. It DOES matter because unless the MSM takes responsibility for its part in the debacle
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 07:42 PM
Aug 2017

it will continue to do the same thing it did to her -- turn every race into a horserace for their ratings, even if that means destroying the infinitely better candidate in order to make them look equal.

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
37. How will you get them to do that?
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 07:47 PM
Aug 2017

If you know they're about ratings, horse races, profits, (and I agree) how do you make them suddenly have a conscience, or apply certain legislation to hold them to account? Of which there is none.

If anything can come from analyzing what happened to Hillary with the media, that's great. But all I can see in this environment is a lesson in running a candidate no one's ever heard of before. Which seems counter-intuitive, yet outsmarts the media certainly

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
3. We and the media owe her, and one another, many apologies.
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 02:07 PM
Aug 2017

Maybe there was some magical way for her to squeeze out a few more votes somewhere, and maybe she gets the biggest share of the "blame" in her campaign, but her run for president was amazingly successful by every measure but one.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
6. She was the most qualified person to run for the office, in history, if you dont include
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 02:23 PM
Aug 2017

people who ran for reelection.

She WON the election, too.

She lost to the KGB, so we owe her a HUGE apology.

lapucelle

(18,277 posts)
15. History will decide whether or not it mattered that
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 03:13 PM
Aug 2017

the first female nominee of a major political party for the office of the presidency was cheated out of a free and fair election while our much vaunted free press piled on and people who consider themselves to be liberal and/or progressive watched, yawned, and pretended it didn't matter because she was "flawed".

History will not be kind, nor should it be.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
17. even people who should have known better fell for this bullshit
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 04:29 PM
Aug 2017

I've seen the anti-Hillary garbage right here on DU

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
29. Major media, especially broadcast media, owe us all a huge apology
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 05:45 PM
Aug 2017

They relentlessly pushed the Orange Horror while muting Clinton's speeches and doing voice overs about the ginned up pseudo scandals coming out of Russia.

Comey also needs to come clean about why he did what he did when he did it. And I mean squeaky clean.

But mostly it is the media who are at fault, especially broadcast media.

MadCrow

(155 posts)
31. It's time to move on
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 05:54 PM
Aug 2017

I was a Bernie supporter who voted for Hillary. I was devastated when she lost. But I think all of this debate is just a waste of time. She lost, and now we have to move on. We need to find a young, dynamic, qualified Democrat who can inspire the American people and create a real movement similar to what Bernie did. We need someone who can relate to our younger generation and present them with a view of the future that will include everybody. Americans want to vote for something other than the "establishment" which is the reason that many voted for Trump. We need to stop this circular firing squad and prepare for 2018 and 2020. There's more than enough work to do.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
36. You're fooling yourself if you don't think the MSM will find any way it can to take down
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 07:44 PM
Aug 2017

our "young, dynamic, qualified" Democrat -- in order to turn the election into a competitive horserace.

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