California Senate leader Kevin de Leon fires back at Sen. Dianne Feinstein

[DemocratSinceBirth]

The leader of California's state Senate on Wednesday sharply criticized a call from Sen. Dianne Feinstein for "patience" with President Trump, suggesting it was tantamount to being "complicit" in his behavior.

The comments by Senate President Pro Tem Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles) offer a glimpse into the vastly different approaches by two leading California Democrats to Trump's first few months in office.

"It is the responsibility of Congress to hold him accountable — especially Democrats, not be complicit in his reckless behavior," de León said in a written statement, first reported by San Francisco's KQED public radio.

Feinstein, who spoke Tuesday night at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco, was booed by the crowd after saying she still thinks he can be a "good president." She went on to suggest a pause before passing judgment in the wake of how Trump will have to handle Hurricane Harvey

“This is his first big American emergency. I think we have to have some patience. I do," she said.


http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-state-senate-leader-kevin-de-leon-fires-1504115822-htmlstory.html

[ck4829]

1. My nephew has a rare disease, patience isn't going to work with the "greatest healthcare system

in the world" (Now 'improved' thanks to Trumpcare) when he needs an organ transplant.

What's "patience" going to do for said nephew and for the people I include among loved ones; Muslim Americans, GBLTQ Americans, and my fellow liberal Americans when radical Trump supporters go from Nazi-lovers to just plain Nazis?

[Maven]

2. De Leon is right and Feinstein is wrong. nt

[Pachamama]

31. +1000

Completely agree

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

54. Yup, I stand with de Leon... fuck Feinstein (talk about out of sync!)

[still_one]

107. She made remarks that are worthy of criticism, but you find it necessary to say f**k Feinstein. She

has had a pretty reliable progressive voting record on most issues

Were you that outraged when an independent who votes with the Democrats supported an anti-choice Democrat? How about when that same independent commented that Trump supporters were not racist or deplorable?

If you want to criticize the view someone has on an issue, that's is fair game, but when you start to spew vitriol against lifelong Democrats by using slurs and personal attacks, that is bullshit, and the same thing that was done by some against Hillary against trump, and President Obama.

[CrispyQ]

3. He's right!

I'm glad she got booed.

[edhopper]

4. Glad to see he gets it

even if some on this board don't.

[lsewpershad]

5. Time for

Dianne to retire and go home tp her family.

[Expecting Rain]

6. I called his office to let State Senator de Leon know I was offended by his comments...

and that he's lost my support.

I guess it's not Nancy Pelosi Day...yet.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. I proudly stand with Kevin De Leon and his undressing of Trump co-dependents.

He is a fine Democrat.

[Expecting Rain]

9. Intimating that Dianne Feinstein is a "Trump co-dependant" is a smear, an insult...

and a malicious caricature that is inconsistent with the core principles of this website.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Why are you taking issue with a fine Asian/Hispanic Democratic leader like Kevin Deleon ?

Why are you taking issue with a fine Asian/Hispanic Democratic leader like Kevin Deleon :

The leader of California's state Senate on Wednesday sharply criticized a call from Sen. Dianne Feinstein for "patience" with President Trump, suggesting it was tantamount to being "complicit" in his behavior.

complicit =/= codependent


"... that is inconsistent with the core principles of this website. "


Asians and Hispanics are two of our most loyal constituencies.

[billh58]

12. Dianne Feinstein has always

been a DINO, and de Leon is correct in calling her out. Trump does not deserve, nor has he earned, any "patience." Thanks for your concern about the core principles of this website.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. I am a resident of the Golden State. I don't believe I ever posted about her before this brouhaha.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. My litmus test is "don't praise Trump, even with all the qualifiers in the world."

[RiverStone]

28. Yep! Pretty simple

tRump will never be a good president, in fact - he is already a horrible joke of one.

[Expecting Rain]

36. She did not praise Trump, so you are just slandering a good Democrat...

repeatedly, across multiple threads, as if repeating your damn lies makes them any less untrue.

Really offensive smears.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. I proudly stand with Kevin De Leon

I proudly stand with Kevin De Leon :

The leader of California's state Senate on Wednesday sharply criticized a call from Sen. Dianne Feinstein for "patience" with President Trump, suggesting it was tantamount to being "complicit" in his behavior.

The comments by Senate President Pro Tem Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles) offer a glimpse into the vastly different approaches by two leading California Democrats to Trump's first few months in office.

"It is the responsibility of Congress to hold him accountable — especially Democrats, not be complicit in his reckless behavior," de León

I urge all progressive Democrats to stand with us.


P.S. Thank you for bumping my thread. Much obliged, sir.

[Squinch]

52. Speaking of slandering a good Democrat repeatedly, across multiple threads, offensively...

Why look! It's you! Slandering DSB across multiple threads! Offensively!

[Expecting Rain]

67. Look upp a couple posts.

Search functions are your friend.

This is disingenuous as the entire forum is searchable.

[Squinch]

109. I have no idea what you are trying to say here. But very cute, now you are calling ME

disingenuous.

Does that mean you're going to stalk me too?

[HughBeaumont]

63. And you're stalking.

Across multiple threads.

That's ALSO a violation of TOS.

No personal attacks or flaming

Do not personally attack, insult, flame, threaten, bully, harass, stalk, negatively call-out, ascribe ugly ulterior motives to, or make baseless claims about any member of this community. Do not post in a manner that is hostile, abusive, or aggressive toward any member of this community.

[still_one]

105. Stop the DINO name calling crap. Her comments were bullshit on this, but her voting record has

been pretty damn progressive

I anyone who doesn't agree with you a DINO?

Criticizing for this is fair, but calling her a DINO is bullshit.

When you call someone a DINO you are calling them a republican. Feinstein's voting record is NOT republican:

She is pro-choice, anti-gun, (been an enemy of the gun lobby for decades), a strong supporter of the environment, and a host of other progressive issues for decades, so stop with the DINO name calling already, unless your intent is

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Dianne_Feinstein.htm

This is the same garbage that was done a little while ago against Kamala Harris, because in some eyes, she "wasn't progressive enough" on some issues.

Yesterday of course changed that when she signed onto the Single Payer Bill, but frankly this broad brushing piling on against Democrats is garbage.

When an independent who votes with the Democrats came out in support an anti-choice candidate, there were those that were upset. When that same independent came out and declared that they didn't believe trump supporters were racist or deplorable, what was that about?

This was the same crap that went on when Hillary was running against trump. They were throwing the same names and undermining with things like, "there is no difference between republicans and Democrats", or "the Democrats need to give us a reason to vote for them".

That is the biggest bunch of BULLSHIT since 2000.

The Supreme Court wasn't reason enough for these folks
Civil Rights weren't reason enough for these folks
The environment wasn't reason enough for these folks
Women's rights, gay rights, workers rights, healthcare, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. etc. etc. were not reason enough for these folks.

California has reliably been a reliable blue state sending solid Democratic Senators to Congress for decades. So don't start spewing the DINO crap toward California. The same thing cannot be said for other states.

Ever Democrat running for the 2016 Senate in the critical swing states lost to the "establishment, incumbent, republican", and most of the Democratic candidates were quite progressive.

Take your DINO name calling elsewhere

[DemocratSinceBirth]

106. Since this is my thread I want to invoke a point of personal privilege.

I have confined myself to her immediate comments and have refrained from attacking her or her record.

My only litmus test is not to say anything nice about Trump , even with all the caveats, qualifiers, and caveats one's mind can muster.

[still_one]

108. DSB, I wasn't criticizing you, Feinstein's remarks do deserve push back. At the minimum they are

naive, and at the worst they are out of touch.

I don't like the characterization of "DINO" by some, because that implies they think of these life-long Democrats as republicans, and that is not valid

[Squinch]

51. Still waiting for a link to back up your smears against DSB in this thread:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9534447

Now I'll ask you to show me where DSB called Feinstein a Trump(R) co-dependent.

I suspect both links will be provided on the same day Trump(R) comes through on his million dollar pledge... for 9/11.

You're stalking DSB. Why?

Also, about you lecturing us on the core principles of this website? I lulzed.

[ProfessorGAC]

13. Really?

That comment offended you? I cannot imagine how that would offend anybody but Senator Feinstein.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Maybe she will embrace this as an opportunity for some sober self evaluation.

[ProfessorGAC]

34. Oh, I'm Not Pleased Feinstein Said It

But how could anybody be offended by his surmise, except for Feinstein?
Yet, I hope his comments do as you say!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. His remarks seemed to offend some, how or why I have no idea.

Let me untangled this.

A Democratic senator praised Trump, albeit with caveats. California Senate President Pro Tem Kevin de León took umbrage with those comments:

The leader of California's state Senate on Wednesday sharply criticized a call from Sen. Dianne Feinstein for "patience" with President Trump, suggesting it was tantamount to being "complicit" in his behavior.

...

"It is the responsibility of Congress to hold him accountable — especially Democrats, not be complicit in his reckless behavior," de León said in a written statement, first reported by San Francisco's KQED public radio.

..


http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-state-senate-leader-kevin-de-leon-fires-1504115822-htmlstory.html

I believe I know where a real Democrat stands.

[TeamPooka]

27. This post makes you appear to be a Trump supporter while also attacking Nancy Pelosi.

and that's what ignore is made for.

[ProfessorGAC]

35. Clearly A Drive-By

No replies

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

55. Oh puh-leease... I say de Leon should replace Feinstein as the next U.S. Senator from California...

that's how much I agree with him.

[leftstreet]

7. DURec

Good for him

[matt819]

11. Republicans cut Obama no slack for 8 years

I think reciprocity is not only okay but absolutely mandatory. And if you want to hold back on the criticism, that's fine - stupid, but fine - but just don't give the buffoon-in-chief any benefits of the doubt or express or hold out hope that somehow he will rise to the occasion. He won't.

[Caliman73]

77. I would frame it differently.

If a Republican President was pushing legislation that was going to benefit the average American citizen and resident, then good governance says that you work with that president to pass that legislation.

Obviously the Republicans chose otherwise during the time when President Obama was in office. That does not mean that Democratic legislators should simply refuse any and everything that the other side proposes. Obstruction for the mere sake of obstruction is not governing. Calling people names, especially as Republicans did to President Obama (which was to lie and exaggerate anything into opposition) is not something that we should do. Trump provides so many legitimate reasons to criticize that we do not need to make anything up.

Now, back to this specific issue, you are absolutely correct. There is no evidence, no history, or any previous patterns of behavior that suggest that the 70 year old man baby will ever act in any way that is not beneficial primarily to him. Even if he had a mixed record like say a Mitt Romney, we would have to wait and see what specifics he was proposing before resisting or working collaboratively. Trump is a different beast altogether. He has not earned any consideration or as you say, "benefit of the doubt".

[progressoid]

16. Well, thankfully

it wasn't Bernie saying unsavory things.

[guillaumeb]

29. Recommended.

[BigmanPigman]

17. I read that she said there is a good chance he will finish his term.

She works with these people and has info and observations that we do not know or have. She may be telling us that, from what she is experiencing, that the GOP has no desire to get him out of office and they hold all the cards. Also, she may be like Schiff who is NOT saying 45 is not fit to serve office. They could politically be trying to keep the Dems out of impeachment issues so far so that if/when it eventually IS a serious issue for Congress it won't be seen as partisan.

Others, however, have said very loudly and constantly that he is unstable, dangerous, needs to be impeached and have already introduced bills calling for it. Reps Speier and Waters, along with others are going to continue to push for him to be removed.

I was NOT happy with Feinstein's statement (she is my senator) but this is the only logical possibility that I can figure out for justifying what she said.

[WinkyDink]

46. With enablers such as herself,....

[Squinch]

53. Or, she could be trolling Trump(R) lovers. They hate her. If they find themselves in

agreement with her it could make their heads blow up.

I don't really think that's why she did it, but it makes me chuckle to think of the possibility.

No Democrat should be saying anything positive about that monster. They can refrain from bashing him for the reasons you state, but any support of him whatsoever bolsters him and is against the interests of our country.

[zentrum]

20. What she said is appalling...

....and tone deaf. So hope she's not channeling the feelings of the Dem Leadership. OMG.

Call her office.
202-224-3841

Especially after Charlottesville and Arpaio.

[Pepsidog]

21. Wow! Time for Feinstein to retire

Democrats need to grow a spine. I am so sick and tired of the mamby pansy Dems. Republicans as repulsive as they are stay united and are always on message attacking. I cannot watch Sunday shows anymore because the Rebugs always show up and outnumber and message the Dems. Tim Russert was about the only talking head who could challenge most of these immoral, lying sociopaths. Maddow and Oberlmann could do the job but the networks are too spineless to promote them. With the exception of a few Dems like Schiff and Waters the rest are basically silent. How can the Rebugs stay on message the entire Obama presidency making up lies and promoting conspiracy theories about Hillary and Obama and we Dems just take it? It makes my stomach turn. Hit Trump where it hurts, his wallet. Play dirty. Obama not born in America? Ok how about Trump hotel health violations, roaches-tarnish his brand, make his brand unfashionable.

[lunatica]

22. My first thought is she or her husband must be lining their pockets with Trump as President

I've become so cynical!

[FiveGoodMen]

23. Reinforces my opinion of Feinstein

Shame on California for keeping her in office.

[zentrum]

38. 1000+++agree.

She's a billionaire (through her husband) who's very hard to oust, however.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. Time to invoke a recall?

[lark]

24. DiFi DINO 1%er.

She won't bad mouth him because her and her husband would make millions off the tax cuts he's proposing and the military build-up. Scary that she's investigating him and said this, very worrisome to me.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

56. Not sure I would go THAT far... but, it certainly does make you wonder WTF she was thinking.

[JHan]

102. And what is feinstein's record on tax cuts...

Especially recently.

You know you can have a disagreement with an assessment of Trump's potential without making up some nonsense claim about the senator and tax cuts....right?

[lark]

118. No longer in CA so don't follow her closely anymore.

I do know she's been very pro-military spending in the past.

[JHan]

121. So now on to military spending ?

I could pull up the military spending record of some other senators that would surprise you but it's not the point.

You can easily Google feinstein's record on taxes ( and healthcare while you're at it)

The point is it is absolutely unnecessary to lodge a silly smear against a democratic senator about tax cuts because she said something charitable about Trump within the context of his response to Harvey.

[elmac]

25. oh yes, lets give the orange monster a chance

I bet there were a few Germans that said the same thing about Hitler while he was destroying their country, their future.

[George II]

26. Obviously he and some here in this discussion didn't carefully read....

....Feinstein's full statement or her follow-up yesterday.

[zentrum]

39. There's no "context"

...that can cover this:

"Feinstein, who spoke Tuesday night at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco, was booed by the crowd after saying she still thinks he can be a "good president." She went on to suggest a pause before passing judgment in the wake of how Trump will have to handle Hurricane Harvey

“This is his first big American emergency. I think we have to have some patience. I do," she said.

A "good president"? It really normalizes him, when in fact there's a coup being visited on every one of our institutions.

[George II]

40. Yes there is "context". Those few sentences are only an excerpt....

....of everything she said. Look at everything she said for your "context".

She didn't say he WAS a "good president", did she?

[zentrum]

41. She said he could

....become a Good President.

But he's already done so much damage that it's too late. The horse is maimed, not just out of the barn.

Ameliorating the reaction to Trump in any way, after Arpaio and DACA and the Paris accords, and the sabotage of the ACA and Charlottesville, and what he's going to visit on us with "Tax Reform"---is indefensible. The future tense does not give her a pass at all.

I support the boo-ers.

Will call DeLeon on Tuesday and thank him.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

60. Saying Trump could become a good president is tantamount...

Believing Trump can become a good president is tantamount to believing Charlie Manson can become a good life coach.

[Squinch]

61. You're killing me.

[George II]

66. Here is Feinstein's complete thought on the matter:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/30/dianne-feinstein-trump-presidency-242180

Sen. Dianne Feinstein surprised a San Francisco audience Tuesday with a hopeful message about President Donald Trump, telling the crowd that “I believe he can be a good president,” but only if he changes how he has operated thus far.

“The question is whether he can learn and change,” Feinstein (D-Calif.) said, according to a San Francisco Chronicle report. “If so, I believe he can be a good president.”

That is a lot different from what's being portrayed about what she said here.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. Trump and many , but not all, of his followers, are irredeemable, just like Hillary said.

“The question is whether Charlie Manson can learn and change. If so, I believe he can be a good person."



Sounds absurd ? It should. Hillary was right !

[Caliman73]

88. Within the context that you provided, it is still a very silly comment at the very least.

She was having a conversation at the Commonwealth Club with a former legislator, and I am assuming the topic of Trump's presidency came up and then she laid out this hypothetical. Why? Why would she even say that? She could have said this:

Can Trump become a good president?

"We can never be sure of anything, but given his actions throughout the campaign and his actions within the months that he has been in office, I do not think that he can. It would require him to completely change how he sees people, his communication style, and the people he has surrounded himself with. We have to believe that change is possible, as a species; however, there is nothing to suggest that Trump will change. Can he do some good things while in office? Possibly. Even people we strongly disagree with can do some positive things, but the question was can he become a good president and based on what I have seen I would have to say No."

Why even go into that lame hypothetical when the man has been the very same person that he has been throughout at least his entire adult life. Trump, at age 70, has not developed the human skills, nor the aptitude to be a public servant, which is what the President, in all of its pomp, its prestige, and its power is. If Ted Bundy just changed, he would have made a fine lawyer and contributing member of society. That is just as likely as Trump becoming a good president. Feinstein either knows that and was just blowing smoke, which is ridiculous and a slap in the face of those who are being affected by his actions OR Feinstein actually is naive enough to hold on to this hypothetical hope that Trump may change, which shows a silliness on her part that is not good for the Democratic Party.

The question of WHETHER he can learn and change is irrelevant and a waste of time.

[WinkyDink]

48. IDGAD if she made a joke; expressed hope; or lied through her teeth. That she could be

or perhaps was "misunderstood" shows that her wording was most unfortunate, untimely, and uncalled-for.

[Plucketeer]

30. C'mon!

She has a (D) next to her name. How could she be wrong???

[disillusioned73]

33. K&R..

Good on him..

Let us not forget, she is also AGAINST single payer..

[Warren DeMontague]

37. he's right. Unfortunately DiFi is out of sync with California in the 21st century.

Witness the painful "hearing" on legal marijuana she held with Chuck Grassley.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-04-05/oldest-us-senators-accused-of-holding-biased-marijuana-hearing

[Achilleaze]

43. de Leon gets it

This is no time to be warm, fuzzy, and cozy complicit with republican TreasonWeasels and their russian money-mobster buddies who are betraying America.

Wake up Senator Feinstein. Wake up all.

[WinkyDink]

45. "This is his first big emergency." Really, Di? I'd say plotting to overthrow our election was.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. That is an astute observation, Winky Dink.

If I ever said anything untoward to you I regret it.

[WinkyDink]

49. Hee! I'm sure I've said untoward things to every DUer over the years! Politics, oy! I

appreciate your words, for sure.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. Ding ding ding... we have a winner!!!

[leftstreet]

93. +1

[VOX]

50. Feinstein is my senator, but I agree with de Leon.

She's been around a long time and has done much good.

But she's such a moderate that she's now out of touch with most Californians. We're hoping that she doesn't run again, and that we'll instead get someone who's closer in spirit to Kamala Harris.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. I have the most lenient litmus test and it was violated.

Do not say anything nice about Trump, even with all the qualifiers and caveats one's mind can muster.

[Expecting Rain]

68. She didn't say anything nice about Trump.

What are you taking about?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

70. It is sad that you continue to criticize a loyal and progressive Democrat like Kevin De Leon

It is sad that you continue to criticize a loyal and progressive Democrat like Kevin De Leon:

The leader of California's state Senate on Wednesday sharply criticized a call from Sen. Dianne Feinstein for "patience" with President Trump, suggesting it was tantamount to being "complicit" in his behavior.

...

"It is the responsibility of Congress to hold him accountable — especially Democrats, not be complicit in his reckless behavior," de León said in a written statement, first reported by San Francisco's KQED public radio.


...

http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-state-senate-leader-kevin-de-leon-fires-1504115822-htmlstory.html

I do take succor in the fact that you are alone on this board in criticism of him.



I would be remiss if I didn't thank you for bumping my thread.

[Expecting Rain]

73. I'm learning that when you post fabrications

that you repeat them endlessly. Do you expect these untruths to become more believable in the re-telling?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. I am sad that you continue to criticize stalwart Democrats like DemocratSinceBirth and Kevin de Leon

I will leave it up to the denizens of our august board to divine your intentions. In the interim I would be remiss if I didn't thank you for bumping my thread.

I don't know whether to be or

[BeyondGeography]

82. Sen. Kamala Harris only happened because Boxer retired

If Boxer hung in for another term, Harris would not have the national profile that she now enjoys. There's a lesson there that more DU'ers who relentlessly defend the status quo should embrace. What's funny is many of these same people are now enthusiastically campaigning for Harris for 2020. Perhaps if more Dems retired when they started pushing 75-80 (or in Feinstein's case, even older) we'd have more Harrises in the mix.

[Caliman73]

90. I know that Boxer was getting up there in age as well, but ...

I often wish that it was Boxer and Harris instead of Harris and Feinstein. That would be a California 1, 2, punch.

[liquid diamond]

62. I can't believe people

here are defending her. On DU!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

64. If I praised Trump , even with the caveats in the world, I would expect and deserve ...

If I praised Trump , even with the caveats in the world, I would expect and deserve opprobrium and censure.

[Expecting Rain]

71. See, you made a conditional statement, "if I praised Trump"

Now if one removed *if* from your statement it would read:

I praised Trump, even with all the caveats in the world, I [Democrat Since Birth] would expect and deserve opproprium and censure.

See how the English language works? Removing conditional modifiers completely changes the meaning of statements.

Since the modified version of your statement (use for sake of example) doesn't reflect you intended meaning, it would be grossly unfair to attempt to use the "editited" version to maliciously smear you, yes?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

72. What part of my statement don't you understand ?

Trump is beyond praise or redemption, just like Charlie Manson.


I would be remiss if I didn't thank you for bumping my thread.

[Expecting Rain]

78. Why did you not respond to the question I posed and the example of...

how the English language works?

And again you seek to infer that Dianne Feinstein is akin to people who support Charles Manson (and earlier Adolf Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin.....

It is slander on a good Democrat.

She never praised Trump. Dianne Feinstein has been (and is) a fierce critic of Trump and will be a key figure in resisting him and (hopefully) removing him.

Divisionist tactics are something we really can't afford at the moment. I don't understand what you are thinking in misrepresenting the words of Sen Feinstein.

You should stop.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

80. Do you or do you not agree with the honorable President of the California Senate?

The leader of California's state Senate on Wednesday sharply criticized a call from Sen. Dianne Feinstein for "patience" with President Trump, suggesting it was tantamount to being "complicit" in his behavior.

The comments by Senate President Pro Tem Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles) offer a glimpse into the vastly different approaches by two leading California Democrats to Trump's first few months in office.

"It is the responsibility of Congress to hold him accountable — especially Democrats, not be complicit in his reckless behavior," de León said in a written statement, first reported by San Francisco's KQED public radio.

Feinstein, who spoke Tuesday night at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco, was booed by the crowd after saying she still thinks he can be a "good president." She went on to suggest a pause before passing judgment in the wake of how Trump will have to handle Hurricane Harvey

“This is his first big American emergency. I think we have to have some patience. I do," she said.


http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-state-senate-leader-kevin-de-leon-fires-1504115822-htmlstory.html

66

[Expecting Rain]

84. No, I think he should be censured by Democrats in the State Senate for his outlandish behavior...

One would think a guy with his own history of ethical issues, scandal, and political gaffes (one of which cost a Fresno Democrat an election) would be more careful than advancing untruthful criticisms that only aid the right-wing.

*Sigh*

[DemocratSinceBirth]

86. Hoisted on your own petard

Hoisted on your own petard

No, I think he should be censured by Democrats in the State Senate for his outlandish behavior...

-Expecting Rain

"...so you are just slandering a good Democrat..."

-Expecting Rain

"Physician, heal thyself."

[Expecting Rain]

89. No friend.

There is a difference between mischaracterizing a person's words and the documented record.

Truth and untruth are different things.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

91. So it's okay by you to constructively criticize some Democrats and not others, am I right ?

I will defer to the Apostle Matthew:

For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

-Matthew 7:2

[Expecting Rain]

94. Lying about people's words...

doesn't qualify as constructive criticism under any definition of the term.

Perhaps you should read up on "bearing false witness" in your book of scriptures? It isn't endorsed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

95. I never lie, sir, And as to you suggestion I did/do.

A good name is better than precious ointment...

-Ecclesiastes 7:1

[Expecting Rain]

96. The forum is searchable, and it belies your protest.

False witnesses don't come to good ends in the holy books you cite.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

97. "Truth crushed to earth will rise again. "

-William Cullen Bryant

[Expecting Rain]

99. Perhaps it is time to embrace truth?

The opposite clearly isn't working for you and the slanders are only harming Democrats.

What is your purpose here?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

101. Sixty seven recommendations and counting in this thread alone suggest my purpose is a noble one.

[Expecting Rain]

103. Or it suggests other things.

It is disappointing that a forum whose stated purpose is to support Democrats seems to be used by many to do the opposite.

Seems malicious to me to misrepresent what people like Dianne Feinstein said and then to smear her based on the misrepresentation.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

104. You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

I will let the denizens of our august board decide for themselves who embraces the will of this community.

[Squinch]

111. Seems malicious to misrepresent what people like DSB said and then smear him based on

the misrepresentation.

[Squinch]

110. And you STILL haven't posted any links to any of the things you accuse DSB of.

As you stalk him across multiple threads.

[Expecting Rain]

112. I'm not stalking, get off it.

The forum is searchable. Use modern technology and all your questions will be answered. Easy.

Multiple threads (how many are there now?) created to spread the same false smear on Senator Feinstein that she said "nice things" about Donald Trump don't make the smear true.

Senator Feinstein has been a harsh critic of Donald trump and his policies and we are in good hands with a person of her character and experience on major committees as a senior Democrat.

Smears against Democrats should be countered and countered "passionately."

This is a pro-Democrat forum, yes? In theory anyway?

[Squinch]

113. And STILL you won't provide a link. Because you can't. And you ARE clearly stalking.

[Expecting Rain]

114. Now you are stalking me.

Stop. It is harassment.

The forum is easily searchable and the truth is out there. Find it.

[Squinch]

115. LOL! No, dear, you are stalking DSB. And what a surprise. No links. Because

what you accused DSB of as you stalked him from thread to thread is something he never did.

You should really stop stalking him and harassing him.

[Expecting Rain]

116. No, it's there. Avail yourself of modern technology instead of making false charges

against forum members. OK?

Stop stalking me. Your behavior is harassment at this point.

[Squinch]

117. Link to anything that backs up your slanders against DSB that you have hurled while

stalking him. And stop stalking and harassing people

[Expecting Rain]

119. No slanders. Fake news. This is harassment and stalking. Desist.

I don't appreciate your game. Stop.

[Squinch]

120. Now you're stalking and harassing me. Ridiculous.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

122. Well

She violated my Eleventh Commandment for Democratic leaders:

Thou shall not normalize Donald Trump or say nice things about him , even with all the caveats, qualifiers, and modifiers in the world.

[nolabels]

75. This is only one step short of Gov. Brown calling her out

Most people defending this Senator probably and or obviously are playing a charade and don't live in this state

[DemocratSinceBirth]

76. I live in the SFV.

After the election I would regale strangers by saying "thank God we live in a blue state". That might seem dangerous but I can take social cues and Hill won my congressional district with over seventy percent of the vote.

[nolabels]

79. And I live in Federal Congressional District that was always in a red district and is now BLUE

Rep Mark Takano makes me happy I stuck it out all those years. These kinds of things would have never happened if the majority of us didn't stand up and say we want the ordinary everyday people deciding where election district lines were to be drawn.

The point is that if a clear message is not given and adhered then nobody will listen

The Senator is clearly derelict in such

[DemocratSinceBirth]

81. She needs to say he is beyond redemption and it's up to my constituents...

She needs to say he is beyond redemption and it's up to my constituents to either accept or reject my sentiments.

Given the fact Hillary beat him by over thirty points that's not much of a risk.

[Expecting Rain]

98. Now you dictate what a senior Democratic Senator needs to say?

Dianne Feinstein has been very clear in her criticisms of Donald Trump and I respect her judgment of how to best contain his damage to our nation. She's a really smart person who understands how to bring Trump down.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

100. "Now you dictate what a senior Democratic Senator needs to say?"

[Expecting Rain]

85. Hey, me too.

[Expecting Rain]

87. Notice Gov. Brown hasn't done that.

I live in California (and have my entire life). I knew Dianne Feinstein back when she was on the SF City Council.

She has been one of the great Democratic leaders throughout her career. She has a wisdom, maturity, and command of the issues that is second to none.

The attacks on her, based on misrepresentations of what she actually said, are the real charade.

[Caliman73]

92. I live in the Golden State.

Born and raised. I think what she said was dumb and I think that there is nothing wrong with even friendly politicians questioning statements like hers.

[awesomerwb1]

83. I'm with de Leon.

Democrats can be way too nice sometimes.

Feinstein could've just said something along the lines of "let's wait to see how he handles hurricane Harvey. If it's not with the best interests of the people of Houston, the nation, will be holding him accountable."

The Dems should be hammering Country over party, country over party, country over party. But then again, there's hardly ever a strong unified message from Dems.