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Dear Texas: Are you ready to go Democratic yet? (Original Post) MoonRiver Aug 2017 OP
Give it 15 years +- awesomerwb1 Aug 2017 #1
In their defense zipplewrath Aug 2017 #2
The problem is the suburbs Jose Garcia Aug 2017 #3
Yup zipplewrath Aug 2017 #9
We and the DNC should be thinking about ways to win over these republican areas Maraya1969 Aug 2017 #4
A few maybe zipplewrath Aug 2017 #10
back the progressive platform with a spine clu Aug 2017 #12
Are you saying Hillary didn't do this? Maraya1969 Aug 2017 #20
Like this damn redstate Missouri workinclasszero Aug 2017 #5
Much of the country is that way DavidDvorkin Aug 2017 #6
I just don't get why workinclasszero Aug 2017 #7
A lot of people move out there to get away from "them". Dave Starsky Aug 2017 #8
I think most rural people come from those areas DavidDvorkin Aug 2017 #15
The ones who come from there grow up afraid of "them". Dave Starsky Aug 2017 #17
hey we had ann richards clu Aug 2017 #11
We have been for some time... LanternWaste Aug 2017 #13
Well, what are you going to do about it? MoonRiver Aug 2017 #14
Trump going to try to buy them off and change his image with $1M donation? haveahart Aug 2017 #16
Well it happened to Louisiana and they're still red! Initech Aug 2017 #18
Where it's always 72 degrees and sunny. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2017 #19

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
2. In their defense
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 11:47 AM
Aug 2017

Most of the major urban areas lean democratic. It's just that it is a big state and once you get outside of those areas, it quickly turns heavily GOPer. You can run 60%+ in urban areas, but that isn't going to be big enough to counteract the 70%+ in outlying areas. The demographics are slowly turning against them though. Probably another 10 - 15 years.

Jose Garcia

(2,598 posts)
3. The problem is the suburbs
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 12:23 PM
Aug 2017

Yes, Republicans dominate the rural areas, but that's not where the votes are. If Democrats can start winning the suburbs it will be over for the GOP in Texas.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
9. Yup
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 02:29 PM
Aug 2017

The suburbs are the "transition zone" between the urban area and the rural areas in a political sense. The one oddball part is that the suburbs are loaded with the upper middle class "got money, got republican". How they end up feeling so much kinship with the backwoods, rural bunch I'll never understand.

Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
4. We and the DNC should be thinking about ways to win over these republican areas
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 12:46 PM
Aug 2017

One thing I think is we need to point out to the far right Christians that it is anti-life to not fight for health care for all children and to refuse to allow children to come here from war ravaged nations where they will probably meet certain death if no one takes them in.

Pointing out hypocrisy should have an effect on a lot of them I believe

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
10. A few maybe
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 02:39 PM
Aug 2017

I've rarely seen people react much to having their hypocrisy exposed. Denial is a powerful tool.

There has always been a rural/urban conflict in our politics. In the past it was exposed more as a merchant/agrarian conflict. The problem it has created over the years is because of gerrymandering, mods to the congressional make up, and the inclusion of large, almost all rural, states. This ends up distorting our national politics by over empowering the rural voter.

 

clu

(494 posts)
12. back the progressive platform with a spine
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 02:42 PM
Aug 2017

and watch moderates who voted for Obama (change) come back in droves

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
5. Like this damn redstate Missouri
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 12:53 PM
Aug 2017

KC, St Louis, Columbia are sane democratic.

The entire rest of the state is Alex Jones/Hannity/Limpballs insane republican.

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
6. Much of the country is that way
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 01:20 PM
Aug 2017

The reliably Democratic states are the ones where the major city is so big that it swamps the rest -- Chicago, NYC, etc.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
7. I just don't get why
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 01:33 PM
Aug 2017

the more rural areas of the country love to cut their own throats by voting republican.

It makes no sense.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
8. A lot of people move out there to get away from "them".
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 01:37 PM
Aug 2017

Their fear and loathing of "them" outweighs their common sense about their own situation.

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
15. I think most rural people come from those areas
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 04:04 PM
Aug 2017

Rather than moving there.

Why they aren't all raging democratic socialists is a mystery to me. Instead, if they're not ultra-conservative, they're populist of the nasty, xenophobic variety.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
17. The ones who come from there grow up afraid of "them".
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 04:48 PM
Aug 2017

You learn from Day One that "they" are different and dangerous. All of the problems of the world outside come to you on your TV, and it all seems to happen because of "those people". You are insulated from all that in the rural areas. You are safe.

I say this only as someone who grew up in a rural area of a very red state. In a rural area, you are far removed and are therefore well protected from the troublemakers of the world. And it is in your very best interest to keep "those people" at bay.



 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
13. We have been for some time...
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 02:46 PM
Aug 2017

Just an FYI: we have been for some time, but over the past six years, the state has stubbornly defended oddly drawn districts that have been the result of political and racial gerrymandering.

Got it (part two)?

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
14. Well, what are you going to do about it?
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 02:51 PM
Aug 2017

I was born and raised in TX when it was solidly Democratic. Have been gone 26 years, but, yeah, I still get it.

 

haveahart

(905 posts)
16. Trump going to try to buy them off and change his image with $1M donation?
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 04:10 PM
Aug 2017

Really? Like all his other donations, i imagine.

Initech

(100,081 posts)
18. Well it happened to Louisiana and they're still red!
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 04:52 PM
Aug 2017

If being underwater doesn't get you to change the error of your ways, what will?

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
19. Where it's always 72 degrees and sunny.
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 04:58 PM
Aug 2017

I doubt that going Dem (psst - it kind of already is) would stop rain from falling in excess.
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