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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsStunning new analysis from Bloomberg of the financial trouble Kushner Cos. is in
thanks to delusional deals and plans.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-kushners-china-deal-flop-was-part-of-much-bigger-hunt-for-cash/
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This article, which describes new details of the companys troubled finances and its overseas fundraising efforts, is based on a review of thousands of pages of financial documents and interviews with more than two dozen executives, business partners, real estate agents, deal participants and analysts. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss private deals. Some feared legal reprisals or other retaliation from one of the countrys most powerful families.
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The arrest and its coverage made Jareds entry into the company hierarchy a crucible and strengthened his already fierce attachment to his father. During Charlie Kushners 14-month incarceration in an Alabama penitentiary, Jared flew down every Sunday. For years, he carried a wallet his dad had made him in the prison workshop. While his father was behind bars, Jared bought the New York Observer newspaper as a platform to reach the Manhattan elite and began pushing for the company to leave New Jersey behind. He ultimately set his sights on 666 Fifth.
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As the buildings fate became increasingly bleak, the family, rather than forfeit, decided to go big. Their plan was to raze the structure and replace it with a glimmering Zaha Hadid-designed tower of massive proportions. The scale of the plan stirred the imagination, but the costs were astronomical because they involved repurchasing the property rights theyd sold to keep the original building afloat. That alone would require more than $1 billion. The elaborate renderings of the reconfigured building promised a kind of Time Warner Center on steroids: more than 80 stories with five levels of retail, a hotel and record-breaking expensive luxury condos on top.
For all its inspiring visuals, investors who reviewed the early version of the Kushners pitch book noticed a conspicuous omission: numbers. The company circulated a revised pitch, complete with financials, and the scale of the debt and risk involved were jarring. With a $4 billion construction loan and a business model that assumed the condos would sell at the aggressive price of $9,000 per square foot, it was similar to the leap of faith the Kushners had taken by overpaying for the original building a decade earlier, just before the boom went bust. A simple downturn in high-end New York real estate and the colossal new building would be in a hole of titanic proportions.
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Federal investigators know that Kushner met with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in Trump Tower last December and later met with Sergey Gorkov, head of the Kremlin-controlled VEB bank in two meetings that he didnt, at first, disclose publicly or on his application for his national-security clearance. After those meetings became public, Kushner and the White House said the contacts were made in his role as a Trump adviser and didnt involve discussion of his family business. But VEB and a spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin described the meetings quite differently, noted Adam Schiff of California, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. They said that Kushner was there in his capacity as head of his familys real estate business. Investigators say they are studying those accounts with keen interest.
I think it is part of a pattern of outreach to Russian financial interests, which are essentially Vladimir Putin and his oligarch circle, by Trump family members, said Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut, a Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee. The financial dealings are important because we know that the Russian playbook is to engage and compromise foreign leaders. He added, Whether this meeting and contact are significant remains to be understood. With assistance from Billy House and Steven T. Dennis.
Girard442
(6,077 posts)Didn't see that anywhere in the Book of Revelations.
HAB911
(8,904 posts)dalton99a
(81,516 posts)brush
(53,791 posts)He can't even manage his own company but he's supposed to solve the Middle East problem.
God! Get the whole lot of them out.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Will be so sick of dealing with the doofus son-in-law that they make a deal to get away from him.
brush
(53,791 posts)as has been pointed out before: if HRC had put Chelsea in charge of anything, the RWNJ's heads would explode.
The hypocrisy is staggering.
Oh, and jarhead is supposed to "remake" the Federal Government, as well. Can't leave that one out.
At least their incompetence and hubris is slowing down a little the trainwreck of what this guy would attempt to "fix".
yardwork
(61,650 posts)Kushner needed to do the Russians a favor because he owes them a ton of money. The Russians needed Trump to be president so that he would lift the sanctions.
Trump has a habit of making big, grandiose promises. The Russians believed that he could lift the sanctions that are preventing them from making trillions more on their oil pipeline.
Kushner and the Trumps thought that once daddy was president, they'd all become trillionaires.
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)mgardener
(1,817 posts)Owes them a lot of money too!
Now let's see. What kind of concessions could a company , I will not use the word extort, but,get from Kushner and Trump so that business will not go under.
No wonder the Kushner family was hinting about visas and Jared in the White house a few months ago when they were trying to find investors in China.
This is serious stuff and we still have no idea what Trump owes and to whom.
luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)how the US government actually works. Did he think that "installing" Trump as President meant that Trump would have the same authority that Putin does in Russia? Was he so "impressed" with Trump's supposed ability to make deals that he believed Trump could "deal" his way into putting the kibosh on those sanctions he hates so much?
It's difficult to believe that Putin could have been so naive. Then again, with immense power comes the diminishing of common sense and the requisite accepted knowledge of how the real world works, I guess.
cynical_idealist
(360 posts)that trump will ruin the country
Pluvious
(4,313 posts)... The Oval Office ?
"Oh, I got rid of that nut job Comey, all's going according to plan, no worries guys hehheh, tell da boss we're good, all's going beautiful, believe me!! Hehheh hehheh"
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)haveahart
(905 posts)they will out live their wealth and so will their children. I hate people who use their wealth simply to gain power to hurt other people.
PCIntern
(25,556 posts)in the film Wall Street: How many yachts do you need to waterski behind?
Moostache
(9,895 posts)"It's not a question of enough, pal. It's a zero sum game, somebody wins, somebody loses. Money itself isn't lost or made, it's simply transferred from one perception to another."
These are people who are not thinking in terms of bettering humanity or using their privileged position to improve the common good or actually being patriotic, country loving citizens. They treat life the same way online gamers treat each other....ruthlessly and with obsessions on things like kill-to-death-ratios (KDRs for the uninitiated).
The idea is if you use your wealth to continue generating more (houses, cars, jets, cash) then you "win"... if you have less than someone else, then you are "losing". Nevermind the fact that everything material we can temporarily 'possess' is merely a rental.
These people are all obsessed with 'things' and now they are starting to obsess on genetics and manufactured health with their wealth...using money to buy more temporal existence on Earth to 'enjoy' the fruits of their 'labor'.
They all make me sick, but at the same time they make me sad. The world doesn't HAVE to be like this, they don't HAVE to destroy the environment and cripple the lives of BILLIONS to have more money for themselves, they simply CHOOSE to do so. My only solace in this sad state of affairs is the level of butt-hurt impotent rage these 'people' reveal when they are criticized for their disgusting habits and lifestyles instead of worshiped. The Lloyd Blankfeins and Jamie Dimons of the world...pathetically small men obsessed only with self-enrichment and unearned adulation. Kushner fits right in with that crowd.
I simply offer them my utter disgust and disdain. They want me (and everyone else) to envy them, to believe the lie that having huge sums of money and large piles of material wealth actually does make for happiness. When they see people NOT giving them the kind of deference or reverential awe they seek, it tears them up inside and makes them suffer.
Suffer bitches....you'll NEVER have my admiration nor my respect, only my undying contempt.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)money.. is from illegal Russian banks (which were already under sanction!)!
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)Their Russian connections to secure financing for his failing business. Now his attempt to created a backchannel line of communications from Russia directly to the White House makes perfect sense. He's the one who was setting up the pay for play, not Trump, Trump was the oblivious moron who was hoping to get a few tall building with his name on them out of the deal.
Let's hope Meuller can pass enough information to the state of New York to put his entire crime family in prison on state charges.
brush
(53,791 posts)I'm sure he had to let trump in on it to make it work.
It's pretty obvious the way trump has been publicly kissing up to Putin for years.
trump wanted his cut of the trillions of Russian oil money that was to come from getting rid of the sanctions.
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)but is suffering from dementia, I'm sure he sold it to Trump as a means off getting big buildings in Moscow with his name on them to compensate for his tiny hands, but the real goal was to get as much of that dirty Russian money that needed to be laundered into his failing real estate venture at 666 5th Ave
brush
(53,791 posts)Neither he nor trump are as smart as they think they are.
House of Roberts
(5,177 posts)why doesn't he bail his son in law out?
Maybe both the Trumps and the Kushners aren't as well off as they would have us believe.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)iwanna really did marry her daddy--another broke-behind-the-scenes supposed "billionaire."
SHRED
(28,136 posts)It's gonna be way harder to access that Russian mob money.
Idiots.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Crooks and grifters, all of them. (Barron and maybe Tiffany excepted)
renate
(13,776 posts)That doesn't excuse the rest of it, but I think it's really nice that he genuinely loved his father and wasn't just faking it for the money.
ecstatic
(32,712 posts)Jared is a really desperate, unscrupulous guy--he'd likely do the bidding of ANYONE with $$$.
Ligyron
(7,633 posts)And Trumpy won't say one bad thing about Russia or Putin. Ever.
I wonder what could be going on?
And Mueller is hooking up with the NY AG.
underpants
(182,830 posts)MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)And it's drawing a lot of attention. The crowds who are coming around to see this debt are historic. No one has ever had debt that drew these kinds of crowds.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)The article speaks of Steve Roth (Vornado), whose deal saved Kushners in 2011, is well positioned to be the sole owner. He already seems to own most of the retail space - Kushners owns none.
It also seems that Kushners has had to take equity from other properties to use on 666. The article says that "For $80 million and the assumption of half the debt, Vornado put itself in the best position to become 666 Fifths sole owner in the event of a restructuring or worse."
While I can see how the Kushners can end up with more debt than assets, I completely do not understand how Roth gains full ownership other than by paying off the entire loan -- which then means HE paid too much for a building becoming less valuable over time. It also seems that this terrible investment may eat the assets Kushners has everywhere.
I don't think that the perceived gain of being with Trump will help. We are past the time when that could have happened. Now, any foreign billionaire will be subject to intense scutiny to insure that anything invested makes economic sense -- and not because it gets good will from the President.
One observation is that Kushner, pere and fil, are as terrible at business deals as they are as people.
dalton99a
(81,516 posts)'Nuf said