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spanone

(135,844 posts)
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 09:33 PM Aug 2017

Is this legal? US military sends warships, aircraft to Texas

Washington (CNN)With floodwaters from Tropical Storm Harvey swallowing entire Texas cities, the US military is mobilizing its resources from states across the country to help local law enforcement and civilian volunteers in the rescue effort.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has activated the entire Texas National Guard, which is made up of roughly 12,000 troops.

State, local and military rescue units have plucked thousands of stranded residents from the water and deluged homes.

On Sunday, the Defense Department and Abbott agreed to establish a "dual-status command" that would allow a single commander for both federal and state forces overseeing and coordinating the response efforts.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/30/politics/texas-harvey-flooding-military-response/index.html
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Is this legal? US military sends warships, aircraft to Texas (Original Post) spanone Aug 2017 OP
Yes, as long as the governor remains in the command loop Brother Buzz Aug 2017 #1
thank you all for these answers. spanone Aug 2017 #8
U.S. military can help with relief, but not law enforcement RandySF Aug 2017 #2
The military can help with law enforcement if the governor is in command Brother Buzz Aug 2017 #4
Are you talking about the national guard? RandySF Aug 2017 #7
Both Brother Buzz Aug 2017 #12
I am not a legal expert, but I believe if the local or state governments agree it is. 33taw Aug 2017 #3
Anyone else surprised True Dough Aug 2017 #5
I think their figure is off Massacure Aug 2017 #18
If they use them to assist in rescue and provide shelter and meals, yes. appleannie1943 Aug 2017 #6
Why shouldn't it be legal? mwooldri Aug 2017 #9
I think the reference here is to the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 Xipe Totec Aug 2017 #16
The USS Lexington provided power to Tacoma for a month or so in 1929. Pope George Ringo II Aug 2017 #10
The Government is invading Texas! ghostsinthemachine Aug 2017 #11
And the deplorables thought this would happen with Obama in the White House! LonePirate Aug 2017 #14
Maybe Obama planned the whole Harvey thing ghostsinthemachine Aug 2017 #19
Yes it is, sarisataka Aug 2017 #13
thank you. spanone Aug 2017 #15
Only illegal if they open fire. AngryAmish Aug 2017 #17
gen Honore came during Katrina. He was a life saver. Glad the military is finally riversedge Aug 2017 #20

Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
4. The military can help with law enforcement if the governor is in command
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 09:42 PM
Aug 2017

At least that's my interpretation to the latest changes to that Posse Comitatus Act thingy

Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
12. Both
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 09:59 PM
Aug 2017

The Texas National Guard is already under his control, and the US military commanders would be tasked to him, and they would lead the troops. At least that's my understanding.

33taw

(2,444 posts)
3. I am not a legal expert, but I believe if the local or state governments agree it is.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 09:38 PM
Aug 2017

The state would probably want to maintain control.

True Dough

(17,306 posts)
5. Anyone else surprised
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 09:44 PM
Aug 2017

That the entire Texas National Guard only comprises 12,000 troops? I would have figured 20,000 minimum. 50,000 wouldn't have surprised me.

Massacure

(7,525 posts)
18. I think their figure is off
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:09 PM
Aug 2017

The most recent figure I could find was 18,600 in the Texas Army National Guard and 3,286 in the Texas Air National Guard as of May 31, 2016.

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/military-civilian-active-duty-employee-workforce-numbers-by-state.html

appleannie1943

(1,303 posts)
6. If they use them to assist in rescue and provide shelter and meals, yes.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 09:44 PM
Aug 2017

Ships can feed and house a lot of people. Troop planes can fly a lot of people to other cities that have facilities for people. Realistically, there are a lot of homes that probably will not be livable.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
9. Why shouldn't it be legal?
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 09:54 PM
Aug 2017

The military would want to help out if they can and where they can. Civilian services are way overstretched so as long as there is a civilian chain of command it is right that the US armed forces help out via the State National Guard.

Other countries have their military pitch in during times like these. It's just the right thing to do.

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
16. I think the reference here is to the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:05 PM
Aug 2017

Military actions in the Reconstruction South, resulted in the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, 18 U.S.C.S 1385. The Act, a criminal statute, prohibits the use of the military to enforce civilian laws. Exceptions are made for actions specifically authorized by the Constitution or acts of Congress.

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
10. The USS Lexington provided power to Tacoma for a month or so in 1929.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 09:56 PM
Aug 2017

Humanitarian aid is pretty well established.

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
19. Maybe Obama planned the whole Harvey thing
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:17 PM
Aug 2017

In order to invade and take over. All the mosques were open and that can't be a coincidence. Korans for EVERYONE!

sarisataka

(18,663 posts)
13. Yes it is,
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:00 PM
Aug 2017

The participation must be cleared through Washington but they can be temporarily assigned to a state level command.

During my time I received a humanitarian service award for assisting in flooding in the Red River Valley around Fargo-Moorhead. Our unit was deployed to help Minnesota and North Dakota. Being Federal we were more flexible than National Guard as we could cross over and work in either state whereas the guard units were limited to their home state.

We were again slated to be deployed to New Orleans for Katrina but we question parts of the operational orders which appeared to violate Posse Comitatus. I don't know if that was the reason but we never were sent to Louisiana.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
17. Only illegal if they open fire.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:08 PM
Aug 2017

Need an act of Congress to declare war on Texas.

Leave it up to the lads if declaring war against Texas is a good idea.

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
20. gen Honore came during Katrina. He was a life saver. Glad the military is finally
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:51 PM
Aug 2017

getting involved. Harvey is just to big. too prolonged for locals and state to handle. Volunteers and police are getting tired.

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