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ecstatic

(32,727 posts)
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:51 PM Aug 2017

The state & federal response to Harvey seems to be lacking

Maybe CNN isn't showing the full story, but it seems there are rescues done here and there by civilian good samaritans--some of whom have died while trying to help. When the victims who are rescued tell the story of how they were finally found, they describe calling frantically for days until a random relative or friend is able to connect them to CNN or someone else. What about the people who don't have a landline and their cell phone battery died days ago? Houston is a city of 2 million, yet only 32k are in shelters? It's not adding up--or are most residential neighborhoods free of flooding?

According to Anderson Cooper and the volunteers they've interviewed, there isn't a central command (because average civilians don't have the communication technology) to keep track of which neighborhoods have been checked already, so there's a lot of wasted time and resources from people checking on the same neighborhood multiple times while possibly missing another community entirely. They desperately need the technology and resources of the military. I'm just now hearing that the Marines are on the way. That's great news, but we're now at 5+ days into the disaster! So the federal response is clearly late and inadequate thus far. Also, Governor Abbott really dropped the ball with his 2.5 day delay in deploying the entire TX national guard.

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The state & federal response to Harvey seems to be lacking (Original Post) ecstatic Aug 2017 OP
Probably because it's not over. defacto7 Aug 2017 #1
It's a running saga. Igel Aug 2017 #2
Government is typically reactive in nature. MineralMan Aug 2017 #4
Thank you so much for the perspective. I was so confused! ecstatic Aug 2017 #6
1/3 of Houston is under water, no????? adigal Aug 2017 #3
Seems like it took a long time mcar Aug 2017 #5

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
1. Probably because it's not over.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 07:14 PM
Aug 2017

There's not much more that anyone can do while the storm is still dumping massive amounts of rain and storms are still raging toward Louisiana. This is so beyond anything experienced before. I think people are at the point of not knowing what to do on a huge scale.

Igel

(35,337 posts)
2. It's a running saga.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 08:00 PM
Aug 2017

For Corpus Christi, the storm was going Saturday, ended Sunday and clean up began. It's only 5 days for the western end of the devastation zone. The storm was going in full fury on Sunday in Houston here's it's day 4, and some areas are still underwater. Others are in full clean-up mode. It was going full blast in Beaumont on Tuesday and the rivers south of Houston were cresting. Now it's Wednesday, and Harvey's moved and weakened, but the rivers in E Texas and W Louisiana won't crest for a day or two so for those areas it's still day -1 and -2. It makes any generalization really difficult.

On *Friday* the Coast Guard and 900 Texas Army National Guard were mobilized and were ready for CC. On Sunday, the number was brought up to 3000, mostly for the next day's worth of trouble. On Tuesday, 12,000 were called up when they realized how bad it would be in East Texas.

FEMA was there in Houston shelters helping out on Monday. The Red Cross was there. Local firefighters and police have responded to thousands of calls in Houston. On Sunday and Monday the National Guard fanned out across parts of Texas that had gotten rain to tell people in river floodplains that the rivers would be cresting in the next day or two even thought the rain had decreased. That's a lot of territory and the Guard was busy. But no news cameras were there. It's was boonies.

Still, I was at a shelter briefly today and there were some very bored National Guard guys there. They'd helped out rescuing people and were taking a long break because, well, the rescuing was over for that part of the Harvey zone. They'd helicoptered in evacuees from Kingswood. Didn't see it on the news. Not inspiring enough. Routine, in fact. The shelter was closing, being merged with a sister shelter a couple of miles away. A lot of the evacuees had contacted friends and family and were being picked up. Watched one family load their stuff into some relatives van before going about my business at the shelter.

Most of the media has centered their attention in Houston. Large, dense population, good facilities, fairly easy access to the disaster areas. Most areas in Houston are pretty much unaffected except by road closures. A lot, of course, are affected--some not so much, some under 8 feet of water. Depends on a lot of factors. The area I live in is high and dry, both new (with great drainage) but also far from a bayou. I spent much of today helping somebody who flooded Sunday (and I should probably go shower now that my wife is cleaned up--I'm still partly covered with gypsum and gunk from wet gypsum board and mildewed insulation, but I'll post first). My friend had 2 feet of water inside so carpets came up, appliances are trashed, walls are down. Across the street from her, they had 6 inches. Next block over stayed dry, and dry continued for the next mile. She's near a stream. Nice view most of the time.

She was rescued. And when she got off the rescue boat her mother was waiting for her and drove her to where her kids had already gone for the weekend. That's how it goes if you have a large social network--a few of the teachers where I work are flooded, and none are in shelters. Friends and family. That's the benefit to having 4 million people with a few hundred thousand in need of shelter. Lots of options. Some are in motels. A few left town for the duration. Those in shelters are of two main sorts--those who haven't been able to arrange accommodations and those either with a very small social support network or a social network from just flooded areas. That's not a whole lot.

Most of the destruction is not in Houston. It's a strip about 400 miles x 150 miles, worse in some spots than others. The areas that are under mandatory evacuation get more Coast Guard and National Guard attention, as well as hospitals. Not much "heroism" in watching a bunch of Guard in high-profile vehicles going along picking up people. The media would have to follow along in a boat.

911 was flooded. They were getting a 1000 calls an hour. And most of the calls were fairly pointless. The response was "if you're safe where you are you don't need rescued." So people get through because people who didn't *need* rescuing were rescued.

The feds are the last line of defense and need to be asked to help. They almost always say yes. But they want local authorities to deal with local issues. So a supply ship is on the way--yahoo! But it's leaving from Norfolk, VA, and will take a few days to get down here. It's bringing non-emergency supplies.

The technology that Houston would need to keep track of neighborhoods consists of thumbtacks, a map, and a cork board. Nobody's doing it because nobody's bothering to do it. It's like inundation maps--"If this bayou gets 4 feet above flood stage, what areas will flood? How about 5 feet? 6 feet?" They have them for some flood elevations but didn't think to run them for 6" increments. And they didn't think to post them anywhere. The city and county governments weren't very forward thinking in this.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
4. Government is typically reactive in nature.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 08:05 PM
Aug 2017

Planning costs money, so it's not done for truly rare events.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
3. 1/3 of Houston is under water, no?????
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 08:03 PM
Aug 2017

I fear there will be many more deaths than we know.....The Feds and govt response seems to just be starting now.

mcar

(42,366 posts)
5. Seems like it took a long time
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 08:08 PM
Aug 2017

For the military to get involved. I recall the same thing happening in Katrina.

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