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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow about Martin O'Malley for POTUS 2020?
I like him a lot and he'd be a great president!
elleng
(131,129 posts)he has all the requisite character assets, and huge executive experience.
For people unaware of O'Malley, here's his resume:
http://msa.maryland.gov/msa/mdmanual/08conoff/gov/former/html/msa13090.html
https://www.democraticunderground.com/12814
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Sad that that matters so much, but of course it's huge. Wish we had a law requiring candidates to campaign with bags on their heads.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)want an asshole for president. Hopefully that will change.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Voters do react however; of course not exactly equal and opposite, but usually in what they imagine is a different direction. Pubs sure blew that one this time, the "establishment" billionaires they imagined they were rejecting now more strongly entrenched than ever and marching on 2018.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)billionaires, was a working man's man, and that he was going to distribute wealth to them by jobs magically appearing for them is incredible. Everything is incredible. I still feel like I'm living in some Twilight Zone adventure where aliens have seeded stupidity.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)If only it were just aliens. Rump could climb in his fire truck and lead Earth's defense. Honk-honk!!!!
elleng
(131,129 posts)evidence shows they are NOT. Will add factoids when I can find them, but the 'media' and DNC, as I recall, actually had NUMBERS, granting few minutes to MO'M's presentations and responses compared with those of HRC (and Senator Sanders.) DARN, now I'm MAD again, and it's a beautiful day here today (in southern Maryland!)
msongs
(67,443 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)But I won't name names.
elleng
(131,129 posts)Hope you'll take 'sour' from them as what it is.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I certainly wouldn't refuse to hire a good roofer because I didn't like a neighbor whose house he worked on.
They only matter if they reflect something important about the candidate himself or herself. I didn't pay attention to Pat Buchanan when he ran, so knew little about him, but all the racists and other bad characters who came out of the woodwork to support him were an eye-opener. They said things about him that he was careful not to reveal on the national stage.
I like everything I learned about O'Malley during the campaign, but before voting I would have to find out why in early 2015 Maryland Democrats polled only supported MoM 3% and Hillary 63%. Reasons might aldo say good things to about him to me, but always more to know.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... you can often tell a lot about some from the company they keep, AND by the type of "fan boy" or "fan girl" they attract to their campaign.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)their competition are always going to pick up some support from fringe types hostile to mainstream candidates, no matter their message. I hold 2016's farthest left candidate responsible for the behavior of many of the anti-Democratic people he drew, from both left and right, last time because I believe he did feed their negative attitudes.
But O'Malley never had a chance to show what he would do if they flocked to him, how he would try to keep their support, whether he would stoke hostility against the party to try to strengthen their enthusiasm or try to redirect it against the Republicans. I think it would be the latter because I see him as a strong liberal like me, not an anti-Democrat radical. Didn't like him bad-mouthing Hillary in the middle of that blizzard of lies about her though. He was out of the race that point, and not a sign I would want to see.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)We can't choose leaders for the Republicans, but we absolutely have to be wise in who we choose for our own. As you of course know all too well, this is an existential situation for the Democratic Party.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,241 posts)elleng
(131,129 posts)Keep in mind he was a Baltimore city council member twice, Mayor twice and Governor twice; he's an excellent executive. He like others tried to overcome the huge boost HRC got from DNC and media, who did fine jobs marginalizing 'others.'
Among other things: 'As governor, in 2011, he signed a law that would make illegal immigrants brought to the United States as children eligible for in-state college tuition. In 2012, he signed a law to legalize same-sex marriage in Maryland. Each law was put to a voter referendum in the 2012 general election, and was upheld by the majority of the state electorate.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_O%27Malley
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)both of them.
I was looking forward, but now I'm starting to regret starting this thread.
elleng
(131,129 posts)just provide some factual background.
IMO this thread is quite valuable. Thanks for starting it.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)love his views about immigration and gun control among other things.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)BainsBane
(53,072 posts)And not the slightest bit ugly. I though OMalley had great ideas. Perhaps he'll be able to present them nor effectively if he runs again. I certainly wouldn't rule him out.
Demsrule86
(68,691 posts)rpannier
(24,339 posts)I like that idea
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Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Are we not liking them anymore? What happened?
JimGinPA
(14,811 posts)But I want to keep all of our senators in place.
That said, I would happily vote for many of our Dem senators if they were nominated.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)If the next Gov. of NJ is a Democrat (as is likely) the same could be said of Booker.
JimGinPA
(14,811 posts)And I would love to see either of them as President.
There was a thread yesterday (I think) promoting Al Franken & I think he would be great as well. But after just finishing his latest book I would hate to see him leave the Senate too.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I would be thrilled if he changed his mind, though.
JimGinPA
(14,811 posts)I think she would win by a landslide. She's smart, attractive and doesn't take a nickels worth of shit.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)She's made mistakes, like everyone, but I'm not surprised one bit that she's immediately risen to the level of prominence she has. I've said for a long time that she's one to watch.
calimary
(81,507 posts)Retrograde
(10,159 posts)in 2010. She's done very well ever since, and I'm more than happy at her current prominence. She'll have the same problem on a national ticket that Newsom will - they're from San Francisco, that scary place where they let all sorts of people just roam around like they were human beings or something. And Pelosi.
I want to see Harris as Senate Majority Leader someday.
elleng
(131,129 posts)there is no reason, certainly at THIS point in time, that any promising candidates should be discarded, and surely WE can like more than 2 sitting senators.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I'd be surprised if MO'M wasn't in there, actually.
He's not at the top of my list, but I'll listen to what he has to say.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)possibilities
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I liked some of the things O'Malley said last year, too.
Would give him a listen if he ran again.
elleng
(131,129 posts)LOTS of possibilities.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)By 2020 we'll be lucky if we can run Kaptain Kangaroo.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)elleng
(131,129 posts)JimGinPA
(14,811 posts)He dropped out before the Pennsylvania primary in 2016, but I was impressed with him.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)elleng
(131,129 posts)ChoppinBroccoli
(3,784 posts)Someone who isn't afraid to drop the gloves and who can get people excited. I'm wondering if that guy might not be the young Kennedy. He certainly doesn't seem to be afraid of a fight. If Joe Biden were younger, he'd be the perfect man for the job too. But at this point, if I can't have my dream candidate (Sherrod Brown, who will never run because his wife won't let him), I think I might be on the Kennedy train. I'm not going to make any decisions until I see the field, but there are a few people I'm keeping an eye on.
Don't get me wrong, O'Malley really endeared himself to me during the campaign, but I wonder about his experience and the fact that he's been out of office for a number of years. People were looking for an "outsider" in 2016, and having seen what a disaster that's been, I think the pendulum will swing back the other way and people will want someone experienced.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)calimary
(81,507 posts)ticket. Both young enough but not too young that they don't have a lot of governing experience between them. I'd put them up against the orange gas bag and his albino religious-fanatic sidekick any day. ANY day.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)we need to see what sort of Governor he will be.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)You write: "O'Malley really endeared himself to me during the campaign, but I wonder about his experience...."
O'Malley spent eight years as a governor. The electorate seems to like that experience. From 1976 through 2004, seven of the eight elections were won by current or former governors. The exception was Bush 41, who had other executive credentials as having headed a federal agency (the CIA) and been Vice President.
The string was necessarily broken in 2008, when each major party nominated a sitting Senator who'd never been a governor. One of them had to win. A former governor lost in 2012 but by then his opponent had four years of executive experience as President.
I agree with your basic point about the Trump effect, that "the pendulum will swing back the other way and people will want someone experienced." O'Malley's record as Governor, preceded by two terms as Mayor of Baltimore, will look pretty good.
elleng
(131,129 posts)'served as the 61st Governor of Maryland from 2007 to 2015. He previously served as the Mayor of Baltimore from 1999 to 2007, and was a councilman from the Third Councilmanic District in the northeast section of the city on the Baltimore City Council from 1991 to 1999. . .
and As governor, in 2011, he signed a law that would make illegal immigrants brought to the United States as children eligible for in-state college tuition. In 2012, he signed a law to legalize same-sex marriage in Maryland. Each law was put to a voter referendum in the 2012 general election, and was upheld by the majority of the state electorate.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_O%27Malley
DavidDvorkin
(19,489 posts)He's working steadily to elect Democrats. I hope this means he's getting pledged delegates for the 2020 convention.
elleng
(131,129 posts)He sure IS working to elect Democrats.
DavidDvorkin
(19,489 posts)I have no way of knowing, but I hope he is.
elleng
(131,129 posts)but I suspect he's 'just' doing the job of campaigning and supporting Democratic candidates, being a good guy with few if anythings to promise at this point.
DavidDvorkin
(19,489 posts)Well, if nothing else, I hope those he helps will feel an obligation once the convention rolls around.
elleng
(131,129 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Yet another 2020 thread.. I have serious doubts there is even going to BE a 2020 election.
ailsagirl
(22,899 posts)Fluke a Snooker
(404 posts)While I'm normally not one who looks at race or gender as qualification for an office, I believe that we are really at a point where we have to consider the optics. Every president except for one has been a white male, and with the recent fundamental transformation of our country initiated by President Obama, I see nothing but headaches if we pander to the white nationalists even if he's progressive.
Having said that, I am not (just) against Martin O'Malley for his color or his gender. I AM concerned about his progressive bonafides. We will be in a situation where we will control the House and Senate in 2020, and if we have a president who is 100% progressive, female, non-white, and has a track record of solid government service at the state level and four solid senatorial years, Kamala Harris is by far the best candidate we have so far. No baggage, a lot of PERTINENT experience (even more than Barack Obama had when he was elected, which is saying a LOT), charismatic, and most important, one who looks at the destruction of Republicans as the most efficient method to fundamentally transform this country by eliminating fossil fuels, increasing the tax rate from 50-90% from low to high, downsize our bloated military, and most of all, return our status not as a world LEADER, but a world UNIFIER, with a real adult of substance and passion.
elleng
(131,129 posts)15 Goals to Rebuild the American Dream
https://martinomalley.com/category/15-goals/
Addiction treatment and prevention
https://martinomalley.com/policy/addiction-treatment-and-prevention/
Criminal Justice Reform
https://martinomalley.com/policy/criminal-justice/
Making College Debt Free for all Americans
https://martinomalley.com/policy/make-college-debt-free/
Holding Wall Street Accountable
https://14d2r744okfe40r1ug1oqm6y-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/OMalley-Wall-Street-Reform.pdf
Expanding Social Security
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/expanding-social-security/
Homeland Security
https://martinomalley.com/vision/homeland-security/
Immigration
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/immigration/
National Service
https://martinomalley.com/national-service/
Environment
https://martinomalley.com/climate/iowa/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/agenda/
Foreign Policy
https://martinomalley.com/policy/truman-national-security/
Gun Reform
https://martinomalley.com/policy/preventing-and-reducing-gun-violence/
Trade Policy
https://martinomalley.com/policy/trade-policy/
Campaign Finance Reform (Restoring our American Democracy)
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/restoring-our-american-democracy/
Why We Need a Constitutional Amendment to Secure the Right to Vote:
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/news/right-to-vote/
Veterans and Military Families
https://martinomalley.com/policy/veterans/
https://www.democraticunderground.com/12813600
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)I thought it was too bad he got marginalized in primaries.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)However, after last year, I am convinced that we can't win without a white man at the top of the ticket. AS a country we are not there yet. Obama's election brought every closet racist out of the woodwork and we're still healing from that.
That said, I am convinced we need to elect a woman VP first. Two have run on major tickets before. One I was too young to remember (4 when she ran) and the other was ridiculously unqualified. I'd love to see Amy Klobuchar as the VP nominee in 2020.
Fluke a Snooker
(404 posts)If you were talking about a Republican nominee, then of course I would be concerned about whether a white man should be at the top of the ticket or not. For the first time ever, more students and people of color have tied in Republicans with Nazi philosophy than not, so we are going to get a lot of people on the fence to vote for us IF we have a non-white candidate.
Yes, I wish we can say that race doesn't matter, but we won't be there until progressives have been in power for at least three generations to a full century. Until then, optics matter on our side, and we should take full advantage of it. Kamala Harris is now the new Barack Obama in coalescing our progressive interests and in knocking out the Republican party for good to allow the transformation to continue.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Fluke a Snooker
(404 posts)There is a level of magnitude to deal with. 100% of progressives are NOT mysogynists, for one thing, otherwise he/she/zi would not BE a progressive in the first place! And the Democratic Party is moving on a minute-by-minute basis sharply to the progressive left, which negates any effect anyone left in the Democrat party who is non-progressive (cue tumbleweeds) is warranted.
Republicans are in a deliciously impossible situation. Either they put up a white male to placate their base but lose any of the people on the fence, or put up a non-white male and lose their base. Either way, progressives win.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 27, 2017, 07:24 PM - Edit history (1)
in my lifetime. Total perfection is demanded from female candidates only. They are judged on their look, their demeanor -if she's soft-spoken she is weak, if she comes strong and powerful she's "shrill". When was the last time you heard a male's candidate laugh described as a "cackle"? There was so much more. My eyes were opened and I saw how misogynist this country still is. We have a long way to go.
Fluke a Snooker
(404 posts)The problem with optics is that we tend to view them from a progressive viewpoint. That is fine in most cases, and in fact optics will pragmatically be determined by progressive viewpoint, as progressives will dominate the citizenry of the planet, but for now we have deplorables and Nazis to factor in the equation.
Having said that, I'll just speak of Kamala's obvious differences. One: She's young, but experienced in the right fields, I daresay more than Barack Obama was at his time of his election to the US Senate, so comparing her experience to that of Clinton's WH, senate, and state experience is not relevant in this manner. Two: She's not white. Please note it's not racist to say that, as to be blunt, only whites can be institutionally racist. Three: She's more progressive than most. While California attorney general, she was able to transform the office from prosecutorial to judicial, ensuring greater rights for the accused.
My point is that Kamala will ENERGIZE individuals, particularly young millennials and Gen Z types, and coupled with the Nazi regime-like Republican party, makes Kamala the most likely successor to President Obama's legacy, and with a solid Democratic House and Senate, will finish the transformation of the United States from oppressive Nazi-like superpower to a true progressive, anti-capitalist globalist partner.
THAT is the big difference between Kamala and the previous Democratic nominee. The fact that Drumpf was even a factor had more to do with ignorance on the right coupled with unfortunate apathy on the left. Progressives will make damn sure that apathy is completely annihilated, like the ideas of the US Nazi/GOP party.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)insults I listed were all about her being a WOMAN. If you think that Kamala or any other potential female candidate running for POTUS is immune to that, I don't know what to tell you. Your post is all speculation and wishful thinking, esp. your third paragraph.
Misogyny is a real issue, and it affects all women, regardless of age, sex, and political positions
SunSeeker
(51,724 posts)Sorry, you can hit me now.
elleng
(131,129 posts)LakeArenal
(28,847 posts)Get speaker Ryan out.... Put your focus on 2018 not 2020
Retrograde
(10,159 posts)Would he win a national election? I don't know.
Warpy
(111,354 posts)a lot of people were impressed. He doesn't seem like the kind of candidate who would inspire much of a personality cult and that's damned refreshing.
Most new candidates lose the first primary, so that's not a mark against him.
We could do a lot worse (and have done).
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)And he's been quietly working hard at getting Dems elected all over the place. Team player. Rock on Governor!
elleng
(131,129 posts)I hope the team recognizes it going forward.
dembotoz
(16,842 posts)Vinca
(50,310 posts)Sadly, we're living in a superficial time and need a superstar.
oppressedproletarian
(243 posts)O'Malley a very good man but somehow needs to get some charisma...probably not possible. He just doesn't catch fire onstage.
I am 67 and think any of the current older potential candidates is not going to cut it either, with possible exception of Biden, but he is really getting up there in age too.
These "flaws" are more the result of our election system than inherent in the candidates themselves--alas.
We need an Obama 2.0.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Hope he gets more exposure in the next year or so!
elleng
(131,129 posts)in New Hampshire:
Did I just witness the start of the 2020 presidential campaign in NH?
SALEM Martin OMalley preached reforming the Democratic Party and taking our country back at the first stop of his first visit to New Hampshire since the 2016 election.
And while he says his trip to the first-in-the-nation presidential primary state was all about 2018 rather than 2020, OMalleys address to a group of Democrats at a house party in Salem may be the beginnings of a stump speech in the next race for the White House.
http://www.nh1.com/news/did-i-just-witness-the-start-of-the-2020-presidential-campaign-in-nh-/#.WP34sWGVuU8.facebook
https://www.democraticunderground.com/12816241
'Tonight, Democrats won a huge victory in New Hampshire! The people of the Granite State elected a Democrat to the State Senate - claiming a seat Republicans held from 2010-2016. We have the momentum behind us to continue winning across the country in races up-and-down the ballot.
Can I count on you to support Democrats across the country?
I was honored to join Senator-Elect Kevin Cavanaugh in New Hampshire last week to help get out the vote. Because of this win, Democrats are now only 3 seats away from flipping the chamber.'
https://www.democraticunderground.com/12816256
'Tomorrow, I will be traveling to the Buckeye State to rally Ohioans
to defend our shared American values. Join me tomorrow in Columbus or Cleveland to raise money for state and local Democrats. The 2017 and 2018 midterms are just around the corner. Win back your State, and we will win back our country.
Columbus: 12pm Fundraiser for Ohio House Democrats, The Boat House Restaurant, 679 W Spring St, Columbus, OH 43215. RSVP: Amy Katrak 614-420-1269 or akatrak@ohiodems.org
Cleveland: 5pm Fundraiser for Mayor Trevor Elkins, Crop Bistro & Bar, 2537 Lorain Ave, Cleveland, OH 44113. RSVP:
https://www.facebook.com/events/1846301108968877/
and
Interview: Martin O'Malley
Newshub political editor Patrick Gower talks to US Democrat and former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley about the events that have rocked the Trump administration over the last week.
He also asks if Mr O'Malley is serious about running for President in 2020.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2017/08/interview-martin-o-malley.html
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Oh, and I personally think he is charismatic, if you include the characteristics of being physically attractive, intellectually brilliant and untouched by scandal.
elleng
(131,129 posts)'Intellectually brilliant' is one of those things that always gets my attention! Too bad it's not the case for many others.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)To this day, I still believe he was the best candidate in terms of actually implementing progressive policies.
Clearly had the most detailed proposals.
I voted for him two times as governor and would be proud to vote for him for president.
elleng
(131,129 posts)He surely was the best candidate in terms of actually implementing progressive policies, and had the most detailed proposals. And I too voted for him as governor, and would be proud to vote for him for president.
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LAS14 This message was self-deleted by its author.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... for some reason he didn't catch on. That puzzled me, but I think it has to be taken seriously. We need people who not only have integrity and intelligence, but who connect with the masses. He connected with me, but I've learned that's not a good indicator.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)I live here. I like him. I've met him.
but he doesn't have the pull, even for the locals.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)he didn't come across as very inspiring or telegenic, things that are important at the top of the ticket.
elleng
(131,129 posts)'served as the 61st Governor of Maryland from 2007 to 2015. He previously served as the Mayor of Baltimore from 1999 to 2007, and was a councilman from the Third Councilmanic District in the northeast section of the city on the Baltimore City Council from 1991 to 1999.
O'Malley served as the chair of the Democratic Governors Association from 2011 to 2013, while being governor of Maryland. Following his departure from public office in early 2015, he was appointed to The Johns Hopkins University's Carey Business School as a visiting professor focusing on government, business and urban issues.
As governor, in 2011, he signed a law that would make illegal immigrants brought to the United States as children eligible for in-state college tuition. In 2012, he signed a law to legalize same-sex marriage in Maryland. Each law was put to a voter referendum in the 2012 general election, and was upheld by the majority of the state electorate.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_O%27Malley
and: in New Hampshire:
Did I just witness the start of the 2020 presidential campaign in NH?
SALEM Martin OMalley preached reforming the Democratic Party and taking our country back at the first stop of his first visit to New Hampshire since the 2016 election.
And while he says his trip to the first-in-the-nation presidential primary state was all about 2018 rather than 2020, OMalleys address to a group of Democrats at a house party in Salem may be the beginnings of a stump speech in the next race for the White House.
http://www.nh1.com/news/did-i-just-witness-the-start-of-the-2020-presidential-campaign-in-nh-/#.WP34sWGVuU8.facebook
https://www.democraticunderground.com/12816241
'Tonight, Democrats won a huge victory in New Hampshire! The people of the Granite State elected a Democrat to the State Senate - claiming a seat Republicans held from 2010-2016. We have the momentum behind us to continue winning across the country in races up-and-down the ballot.
Can I count on you to support Democrats across the country?
I was honored to join Senator-Elect Kevin Cavanaugh in New Hampshire last week to help get out the vote. Because of this win, Democrats are now only 3 seats away from flipping the chamber.'
https://www.democraticunderground.com/12816256
'Tomorrow, I will be traveling to the Buckeye State to rally Ohioans
to defend our shared American values. Join me tomorrow in Columbus or Cleveland to raise money for state and local Democrats. The 2017 and 2018 midterms are just around the corner. Win back your State, and we will win back our country.
Columbus: 12pm Fundraiser for Ohio House Democrats, The Boat House Restaurant, 679 W Spring St, Columbus, OH 43215. RSVP: Amy Katrak 614-420-1269 or akatrak@ohiodems.org
Cleveland: 5pm Fundraiser for Mayor Trevor Elkins, Crop Bistro & Bar, 2537 Lorain Ave, Cleveland, OH 44113. RSVP:
https://www.facebook.com/events/1846301108968877/
and
Interview: Martin O'Malley
Newshub political editor Patrick Gower talks to US Democrat and former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley about the events that have rocked the Trump administration over the last week.
He also asks if Mr O'Malley is serious about running for President in 2020.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2017/08/interview-martin-o-malley.html