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How about Martin O'Malley for POTUS 2020? (Original Post) lunamagica Aug 2017 OP
He would be a great president, elleng Aug 2017 #1
Good man, but he has to learn to dominate a stage. Hortensis Aug 2017 #47
I think he would be excellent, but on the stage he looks weak. Many Americans seem to RKP5637 Aug 2017 #51
Lol. Won't hold my breath on that last. Hortensis Aug 2017 #55
Yeah, it was a stretch! lol! The idiocracy of thinking Trump was going to eliminate "establishment" RKP5637 Aug 2017 #59
"Twilight Zone Adventure where aliens have seeded stupidity." Hortensis Aug 2017 #60
Would help if the 'managers' of things like 'debates' were even handed, but elleng Aug 2017 #72
presumes there will be elections in 2020 nt msongs Aug 2017 #2
True. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #4
Some ugly people have soured me to him. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #3
Ugly people do that. elleng Aug 2017 #5
Yes, I vote for or against the candidates. Period. Hortensis Aug 2017 #48
Of course. But things like that make me think twice... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #52
Agree. But candidates who are farther left or farther right than Hortensis Aug 2017 #56
I withdraw from this subthread for obvious reasons. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #57
Thanks, NJ. What could happen in 2018 is what scares me. Hortensis Aug 2017 #61
This! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #89
Lots to know, and I like your approach, Hortensis. elleng Aug 2017 #65
Now, now, there's no need to bad-mouth Hillary in order to build up M'OM. It does a disservice to lunamagica Aug 2017 #77
Sorry, did not intend to 'bad-mouth' anyone, elleng Aug 2017 #79
I know what you mean...however, I like him. He's ALWAYS been a Democrat, and I just lunamagica Aug 2017 #22
I withdraw. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #58
I understand lunamagica Aug 2017 #78
BigTree was an excellent advocate for O'Malley. BainsBane Aug 2017 #85
He is a good guy...I like him too. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #6
Yep rpannier Aug 2017 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #8
What happened to Kamala Harris and Cory Booker? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #9
I Like Them Both A Lot... JimGinPA Aug 2017 #11
There's no danger of losing Harris's senate seat to a Republican. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #12
True... JimGinPA Aug 2017 #14
Difference with Franken is, I don't think he wants to go through it. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #15
If Kamala Haris Was Our Nominee... JimGinPA Aug 2017 #19
Yeah, I've been following her career since the San Francisco DA office. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #20
She's definitely one to watch! calimary Aug 2017 #32
She squeaked in to the CA attorney general's office Retrograde Aug 2017 #41
'WE' have more than a one-track-mind, elleng Aug 2017 #16
I've said repeatedly that I want more than anything a broad field and a vigorous debate for 2020 Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #18
What happened to them? Who is not liking them anymore? Just looking at the lunamagica Aug 2017 #21
Right now my top picks are Booker, Warren, Newsom, Harris, Franken, Inslee Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #24
NO ONE is not liking 'them' anymore. elleng Aug 2017 #25
That was last week. pangaia Aug 2017 #28
Can't we like more than one person at a time? MoonRiver Aug 2017 #54
Absolutely, and we MUST! elleng Aug 2017 #66
Yes JimGinPA Aug 2017 #10
Fuck YES!! The former Democratic Governor from the Great State of Maryland. madinmaryland Aug 2017 #13
Hi, mad! elleng Aug 2017 #17
I'm Thinking More Than Anything, We Need A Young Firebrand ChoppinBroccoli Aug 2017 #23
Pete Buttigeig Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #30
I am really starting to like Joe Kennedy III. He and Gavin Newsom would make a VERY appealing calimary Aug 2017 #31
I'm not currently a fan of Newsome for national office. First moonscape Aug 2017 #94
O'Malley's experience is one of his strong points. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #44
It sure is, he has great EXECUTIVE experience. elleng Aug 2017 #67
Hell, yes DavidDvorkin Aug 2017 #26
If ONLY he were getting pledged delegates. elleng Aug 2017 #40
You think he probably isn't? DavidDvorkin Aug 2017 #71
Neither do I have a way of knowing, elleng Aug 2017 #73
I see DavidDvorkin Aug 2017 #80
So do I HOPE. elleng Aug 2017 #86
How about GO BATAVIA MUCKDOGS.. pangaia Aug 2017 #27
He'd have my vote!!! ailsagirl Aug 2017 #29
Look at women and people of color first Fluke a Snooker Aug 2017 #33
O'Malley's Plans (in 2015) elleng Aug 2017 #36
Thanks elleng for your continued support of MoM RhodeIslandOne Aug 2017 #45
I want to agree with you crazycatlady Aug 2017 #62
The racists are on the Republican side, not the Progressive side Fluke a Snooker Aug 2017 #81
But the misogynists are on both sides lunamagica Aug 2017 #82
But the ANTI-mysogynists are on OUR side only! Fluke a Snooker Aug 2017 #83
I hope your're right. But after what I saw last year, I doubt I will see a woman POTUS lunamagica Aug 2017 #84
Since it is against site policy to criticize Clinton, I won't Fluke a Snooker Aug 2017 #87
Nothing I listed had anything to do with Hillary's history or politics. All the criticism and lunamagica Aug 2017 #88
. snort Aug 2017 #34
He'd be a great VP for Kamala Harris. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #35
I wouldn't hit anyone proposing such, vice versa. elleng Aug 2017 #38
Focus on mid-terms. LakeArenal Aug 2017 #37
YES! elleng Aug 2017 #39
I liked what I saw of him in 2016 Retrograde Aug 2017 #42
Even though he couldn't gain any traction in 2016 Warpy Aug 2017 #43
I like Martin O'Malley. JNelson6563 Aug 2017 #46
He sure is a team player. elleng Aug 2017 #69
Was my first choice last time would be again dembotoz Aug 2017 #49
Fine man, zero charisma. Vinca Aug 2017 #50
You beat me to it oppressedproletarian Aug 2017 #63
I like him too, but he hasn't been very visible. MoonRiver Aug 2017 #53
but he has in the many jurisdictions where he's spent lots of time supporting Democratic candidates, elleng Aug 2017 #68
Good! I'm ready to see him on the national media stage! MoonRiver Aug 2017 #74
and thanks to you, and I agree re: charismatic! elleng Aug 2017 #75
Ain't that the sad truth. MoonRiver Aug 2017 #76
I agree. PragmaticLiberal Aug 2017 #64
Good to see, PragmaticLiberal. elleng Aug 2017 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author LAS14 Aug 2017 #90
I liked him a lot, but... LAS14 Aug 2017 #91
O'Malley couldn't win Maryland in the primaries. Think about that. kwassa Aug 2017 #92
Very good point. While I'd be fine with him, moonscape Aug 2017 #93
But you know this, and many other things, kwassa: elleng Aug 2017 #95

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
47. Good man, but he has to learn to dominate a stage.
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 04:40 AM
Aug 2017

Sad that that matters so much, but of course it's huge. Wish we had a law requiring candidates to campaign with bags on their heads.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
51. I think he would be excellent, but on the stage he looks weak. Many Americans seem to
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 07:59 AM
Aug 2017

want an asshole for president. Hopefully that will change.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
55. Lol. Won't hold my breath on that last.
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 08:11 AM
Aug 2017

Voters do react however; of course not exactly equal and opposite, but usually in what they imagine is a different direction. Pubs sure blew that one this time, the "establishment" billionaires they imagined they were rejecting now more strongly entrenched than ever and marching on 2018.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
59. Yeah, it was a stretch! lol! The idiocracy of thinking Trump was going to eliminate "establishment"
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 08:51 AM
Aug 2017

billionaires, was a working man's man, and that he was going to distribute wealth to them by jobs magically appearing for them is incredible. Everything is incredible. I still feel like I'm living in some Twilight Zone adventure where aliens have seeded stupidity.


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
60. "Twilight Zone Adventure where aliens have seeded stupidity."
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:03 AM
Aug 2017


If only it were just aliens. Rump could climb in his fire truck and lead Earth's defense. Honk-honk!!!!

elleng

(131,129 posts)
72. Would help if the 'managers' of things like 'debates' were even handed, but
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 01:56 PM
Aug 2017

evidence shows they are NOT. Will add factoids when I can find them, but the 'media' and DNC, as I recall, actually had NUMBERS, granting few minutes to MO'M's presentations and responses compared with those of HRC (and Senator Sanders.) DARN, now I'm MAD again, and it's a beautiful day here today (in southern Maryland!)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
48. Yes, I vote for or against the candidates. Period.
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 05:00 AM
Aug 2017

I certainly wouldn't refuse to hire a good roofer because I didn't like a neighbor whose house he worked on.

They only matter if they reflect something important about the candidate himself or herself. I didn't pay attention to Pat Buchanan when he ran, so knew little about him, but all the racists and other bad characters who came out of the woodwork to support him were an eye-opener. They said things about him that he was careful not to reveal on the national stage.

I like everything I learned about O'Malley during the campaign, but before voting I would have to find out why in early 2015 Maryland Democrats polled only supported MoM 3% and Hillary 63%. Reasons might aldo say good things to about him to me, but always more to know.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
52. Of course. But things like that make me think twice...
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 08:02 AM
Aug 2017

... you can often tell a lot about some from the company they keep, AND by the type of "fan boy" or "fan girl" they attract to their campaign.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
56. Agree. But candidates who are farther left or farther right than
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 08:35 AM
Aug 2017

their competition are always going to pick up some support from fringe types hostile to mainstream candidates, no matter their message. I hold 2016's farthest left candidate responsible for the behavior of many of the anti-Democratic people he drew, from both left and right, last time because I believe he did feed their negative attitudes.

But O'Malley never had a chance to show what he would do if they flocked to him, how he would try to keep their support, whether he would stoke hostility against the party to try to strengthen their enthusiasm or try to redirect it against the Republicans. I think it would be the latter because I see him as a strong liberal like me, not an anti-Democrat radical. Didn't like him bad-mouthing Hillary in the middle of that blizzard of lies about her though. He was out of the race that point, and not a sign I would want to see.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
61. Thanks, NJ. What could happen in 2018 is what scares me.
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:05 AM
Aug 2017

We can't choose leaders for the Republicans, but we absolutely have to be wise in who we choose for our own. As you of course know all too well, this is an existential situation for the Democratic Party.

elleng

(131,129 posts)
65. Lots to know, and I like your approach, Hortensis.
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 01:27 PM
Aug 2017

Keep in mind he was a Baltimore city council member twice, Mayor twice and Governor twice; he's an excellent executive. He like others tried to overcome the huge boost HRC got from DNC and media, who did fine jobs marginalizing 'others.'

Among other things: 'As governor, in 2011, he signed a law that would make illegal immigrants brought to the United States as children eligible for in-state college tuition. In 2012, he signed a law to legalize same-sex marriage in Maryland. Each law was put to a voter referendum in the 2012 general election, and was upheld by the majority of the state electorate.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_O%27Malley

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
77. Now, now, there's no need to bad-mouth Hillary in order to build up M'OM. It does a disservice to
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 03:18 PM
Aug 2017

both of them.

I was looking forward, but now I'm starting to regret starting this thread.

elleng

(131,129 posts)
79. Sorry, did not intend to 'bad-mouth' anyone,
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 03:29 PM
Aug 2017

just provide some factual background.

IMO this thread is quite valuable. Thanks for starting it.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
22. I know what you mean...however, I like him. He's ALWAYS been a Democrat, and I just
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:27 PM
Aug 2017

love his views about immigration and gun control among other things.

BainsBane

(53,072 posts)
85. BigTree was an excellent advocate for O'Malley.
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 06:06 PM
Aug 2017

And not the slightest bit ugly. I though OMalley had great ideas. Perhaps he'll be able to present them nor effectively if he runs again. I certainly wouldn't rule him out.

Response to lunamagica (Original post)

JimGinPA

(14,811 posts)
11. I Like Them Both A Lot...
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 10:50 PM
Aug 2017

But I want to keep all of our senators in place.

That said, I would happily vote for many of our Dem senators if they were nominated.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
12. There's no danger of losing Harris's senate seat to a Republican.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 10:51 PM
Aug 2017

If the next Gov. of NJ is a Democrat (as is likely) the same could be said of Booker.

JimGinPA

(14,811 posts)
14. True...
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:03 PM
Aug 2017

And I would love to see either of them as President.

There was a thread yesterday (I think) promoting Al Franken & I think he would be great as well. But after just finishing his latest book I would hate to see him leave the Senate too.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
15. Difference with Franken is, I don't think he wants to go through it.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:05 PM
Aug 2017

I would be thrilled if he changed his mind, though.

JimGinPA

(14,811 posts)
19. If Kamala Haris Was Our Nominee...
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:14 PM
Aug 2017

I think she would win by a landslide. She's smart, attractive and doesn't take a nickels worth of shit.


Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
20. Yeah, I've been following her career since the San Francisco DA office.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:17 PM
Aug 2017

She's made mistakes, like everyone, but I'm not surprised one bit that she's immediately risen to the level of prominence she has. I've said for a long time that she's one to watch.

Retrograde

(10,159 posts)
41. She squeaked in to the CA attorney general's office
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 12:23 AM
Aug 2017

in 2010. She's done very well ever since, and I'm more than happy at her current prominence. She'll have the same problem on a national ticket that Newsom will - they're from San Francisco, that scary place where they let all sorts of people just roam around like they were human beings or something. And Pelosi.

I want to see Harris as Senate Majority Leader someday.

elleng

(131,129 posts)
16. 'WE' have more than a one-track-mind,
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:10 PM
Aug 2017

there is no reason, certainly at THIS point in time, that any promising candidates should be discarded, and surely WE can like more than 2 sitting senators.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
18. I've said repeatedly that I want more than anything a broad field and a vigorous debate for 2020
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:13 PM
Aug 2017

I'd be surprised if MO'M wasn't in there, actually.

He's not at the top of my list, but I'll listen to what he has to say.


Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
24. Right now my top picks are Booker, Warren, Newsom, Harris, Franken, Inslee
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:37 PM
Aug 2017

I liked some of the things O'Malley said last year, too.

Would give him a listen if he ran again.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
23. I'm Thinking More Than Anything, We Need A Young Firebrand
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:31 PM
Aug 2017

Someone who isn't afraid to drop the gloves and who can get people excited. I'm wondering if that guy might not be the young Kennedy. He certainly doesn't seem to be afraid of a fight. If Joe Biden were younger, he'd be the perfect man for the job too. But at this point, if I can't have my dream candidate (Sherrod Brown, who will never run because his wife won't let him), I think I might be on the Kennedy train. I'm not going to make any decisions until I see the field, but there are a few people I'm keeping an eye on.

Don't get me wrong, O'Malley really endeared himself to me during the campaign, but I wonder about his experience and the fact that he's been out of office for a number of years. People were looking for an "outsider" in 2016, and having seen what a disaster that's been, I think the pendulum will swing back the other way and people will want someone experienced.

calimary

(81,507 posts)
31. I am really starting to like Joe Kennedy III. He and Gavin Newsom would make a VERY appealing
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:55 PM
Aug 2017

ticket. Both young enough but not too young that they don't have a lot of governing experience between them. I'd put them up against the orange gas bag and his albino religious-fanatic sidekick any day. ANY day.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
94. I'm not currently a fan of Newsome for national office. First
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:56 PM
Aug 2017

we need to see what sort of Governor he will be.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
44. O'Malley's experience is one of his strong points.
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 03:24 AM
Aug 2017

You write: "O'Malley really endeared himself to me during the campaign, but I wonder about his experience...."

O'Malley spent eight years as a governor. The electorate seems to like that experience. From 1976 through 2004, seven of the eight elections were won by current or former governors. The exception was Bush 41, who had other executive credentials as having headed a federal agency (the CIA) and been Vice President.

The string was necessarily broken in 2008, when each major party nominated a sitting Senator who'd never been a governor. One of them had to win. A former governor lost in 2012 but by then his opponent had four years of executive experience as President.

I agree with your basic point about the Trump effect, that "the pendulum will swing back the other way and people will want someone experienced." O'Malley's record as Governor, preceded by two terms as Mayor of Baltimore, will look pretty good.

elleng

(131,129 posts)
67. It sure is, he has great EXECUTIVE experience.
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 01:34 PM
Aug 2017

'served as the 61st Governor of Maryland from 2007 to 2015. He previously served as the Mayor of Baltimore from 1999 to 2007, and was a councilman from the Third Councilmanic District in the northeast section of the city on the Baltimore City Council from 1991 to 1999. . .

and As governor, in 2011, he signed a law that would make illegal immigrants brought to the United States as children eligible for in-state college tuition. In 2012, he signed a law to legalize same-sex marriage in Maryland. Each law was put to a voter referendum in the 2012 general election, and was upheld by the majority of the state electorate.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_O%27Malley

DavidDvorkin

(19,489 posts)
26. Hell, yes
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:39 PM
Aug 2017

He's working steadily to elect Democrats. I hope this means he's getting pledged delegates for the 2020 convention.

elleng

(131,129 posts)
73. Neither do I have a way of knowing,
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 01:58 PM
Aug 2017

but I suspect he's 'just' doing the job of campaigning and supporting Democratic candidates, being a good guy with few if anythings to promise at this point.

DavidDvorkin

(19,489 posts)
80. I see
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 04:05 PM
Aug 2017

Well, if nothing else, I hope those he helps will feel an obligation once the convention rolls around.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
27. How about GO BATAVIA MUCKDOGS..
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:40 PM
Aug 2017



Yet another 2020 thread.. I have serious doubts there is even going to BE a 2020 election.

 

Fluke a Snooker

(404 posts)
33. Look at women and people of color first
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:59 PM
Aug 2017

While I'm normally not one who looks at race or gender as qualification for an office, I believe that we are really at a point where we have to consider the optics. Every president except for one has been a white male, and with the recent fundamental transformation of our country initiated by President Obama, I see nothing but headaches if we pander to the white nationalists even if he's progressive.

Having said that, I am not (just) against Martin O'Malley for his color or his gender. I AM concerned about his progressive bonafides. We will be in a situation where we will control the House and Senate in 2020, and if we have a president who is 100% progressive, female, non-white, and has a track record of solid government service at the state level and four solid senatorial years, Kamala Harris is by far the best candidate we have so far. No baggage, a lot of PERTINENT experience (even more than Barack Obama had when he was elected, which is saying a LOT), charismatic, and most important, one who looks at the destruction of Republicans as the most efficient method to fundamentally transform this country by eliminating fossil fuels, increasing the tax rate from 50-90% from low to high, downsize our bloated military, and most of all, return our status not as a world LEADER, but a world UNIFIER, with a real adult of substance and passion.

elleng

(131,129 posts)
36. O'Malley's Plans (in 2015)
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 12:14 AM
Aug 2017

15 Goals to Rebuild the American Dream
https://martinomalley.com/category/15-goals/

Addiction treatment and prevention
https://martinomalley.com/policy/addiction-treatment-and-prevention/

Criminal Justice Reform
https://martinomalley.com/policy/criminal-justice/

Making College Debt Free for all Americans
https://martinomalley.com/policy/make-college-debt-free/

Holding Wall Street Accountable
https://14d2r744okfe40r1ug1oqm6y-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/OMalley-Wall-Street-Reform.pdf

Expanding Social Security
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/expanding-social-security/

Homeland Security
https://martinomalley.com/vision/homeland-security/

Immigration
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/immigration/

National Service
https://martinomalley.com/national-service/

Environment
https://martinomalley.com/climate/iowa/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/agenda/

Foreign Policy
https://martinomalley.com/policy/truman-national-security/

Gun Reform
https://martinomalley.com/policy/preventing-and-reducing-gun-violence/

Trade Policy
https://martinomalley.com/policy/trade-policy/

Campaign Finance Reform (Restoring our American Democracy)
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/restoring-our-american-democracy/

Why We Need a Constitutional Amendment to Secure the Right to Vote:
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/news/right-to-vote/

Veterans and Military Families
https://martinomalley.com/policy/veterans/

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12813600

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
45. Thanks elleng for your continued support of MoM
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 03:28 AM
Aug 2017

I thought it was too bad he got marginalized in primaries.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
62. I want to agree with you
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:09 AM
Aug 2017

However, after last year, I am convinced that we can't win without a white man at the top of the ticket. AS a country we are not there yet. Obama's election brought every closet racist out of the woodwork and we're still healing from that.

That said, I am convinced we need to elect a woman VP first. Two have run on major tickets before. One I was too young to remember (4 when she ran) and the other was ridiculously unqualified. I'd love to see Amy Klobuchar as the VP nominee in 2020.

 

Fluke a Snooker

(404 posts)
81. The racists are on the Republican side, not the Progressive side
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 04:16 PM
Aug 2017

If you were talking about a Republican nominee, then of course I would be concerned about whether a white man should be at the top of the ticket or not. For the first time ever, more students and people of color have tied in Republicans with Nazi philosophy than not, so we are going to get a lot of people on the fence to vote for us IF we have a non-white candidate.

Yes, I wish we can say that race doesn't matter, but we won't be there until progressives have been in power for at least three generations to a full century. Until then, optics matter on our side, and we should take full advantage of it. Kamala Harris is now the new Barack Obama in coalescing our progressive interests and in knocking out the Republican party for good to allow the transformation to continue.

 

Fluke a Snooker

(404 posts)
83. But the ANTI-mysogynists are on OUR side only!
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 04:39 PM
Aug 2017

There is a level of magnitude to deal with. 100% of progressives are NOT mysogynists, for one thing, otherwise he/she/zi would not BE a progressive in the first place! And the Democratic Party is moving on a minute-by-minute basis sharply to the progressive left, which negates any effect anyone left in the Democrat party who is non-progressive (cue tumbleweeds) is warranted.

Republicans are in a deliciously impossible situation. Either they put up a white male to placate their base but lose any of the people on the fence, or put up a non-white male and lose their base. Either way, progressives win.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
84. I hope your're right. But after what I saw last year, I doubt I will see a woman POTUS
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 05:19 PM
Aug 2017

Last edited Sun Aug 27, 2017, 07:24 PM - Edit history (1)

in my lifetime. Total perfection is demanded from female candidates only. They are judged on their look, their demeanor -if she's soft-spoken she is weak, if she comes strong and powerful she's "shrill". When was the last time you heard a male's candidate laugh described as a "cackle"? There was so much more. My eyes were opened and I saw how misogynist this country still is. We have a long way to go.

 

Fluke a Snooker

(404 posts)
87. Since it is against site policy to criticize Clinton, I won't
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 06:49 PM
Aug 2017

The problem with optics is that we tend to view them from a progressive viewpoint. That is fine in most cases, and in fact optics will pragmatically be determined by progressive viewpoint, as progressives will dominate the citizenry of the planet, but for now we have deplorables and Nazis to factor in the equation.

Having said that, I'll just speak of Kamala's obvious differences. One: She's young, but experienced in the right fields, I daresay more than Barack Obama was at his time of his election to the US Senate, so comparing her experience to that of Clinton's WH, senate, and state experience is not relevant in this manner. Two: She's not white. Please note it's not racist to say that, as to be blunt, only whites can be institutionally racist. Three: She's more progressive than most. While California attorney general, she was able to transform the office from prosecutorial to judicial, ensuring greater rights for the accused.

My point is that Kamala will ENERGIZE individuals, particularly young millennials and Gen Z types, and coupled with the Nazi regime-like Republican party, makes Kamala the most likely successor to President Obama's legacy, and with a solid Democratic House and Senate, will finish the transformation of the United States from oppressive Nazi-like superpower to a true progressive, anti-capitalist globalist partner.

THAT is the big difference between Kamala and the previous Democratic nominee. The fact that Drumpf was even a factor had more to do with ignorance on the right coupled with unfortunate apathy on the left. Progressives will make damn sure that apathy is completely annihilated, like the ideas of the US Nazi/GOP party.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
88. Nothing I listed had anything to do with Hillary's history or politics. All the criticism and
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 07:06 PM
Aug 2017

insults I listed were all about her being a WOMAN. If you think that Kamala or any other potential female candidate running for POTUS is immune to that, I don't know what to tell you. Your post is all speculation and wishful thinking, esp. your third paragraph.

Misogyny is a real issue, and it affects all women, regardless of age, sex, and political positions

Warpy

(111,354 posts)
43. Even though he couldn't gain any traction in 2016
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 12:50 AM
Aug 2017

a lot of people were impressed. He doesn't seem like the kind of candidate who would inspire much of a personality cult and that's damned refreshing.

Most new candidates lose the first primary, so that's not a mark against him.

We could do a lot worse (and have done).

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
46. I like Martin O'Malley.
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 03:56 AM
Aug 2017

And he's been quietly working hard at getting Dems elected all over the place. Team player. Rock on Governor!

63. You beat me to it
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:28 AM
Aug 2017

O'Malley a very good man but somehow needs to get some charisma...probably not possible. He just doesn't catch fire onstage.

I am 67 and think any of the current older potential candidates is not going to cut it either, with possible exception of Biden, but he is really getting up there in age too.

These "flaws" are more the result of our election system than inherent in the candidates themselves--alas.

We need an Obama 2.0.

elleng

(131,129 posts)
68. but he has in the many jurisdictions where he's spent lots of time supporting Democratic candidates,
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 01:45 PM
Aug 2017

in New Hampshire:

Did I just witness the start of the 2020 presidential campaign in NH?

SALEM –Martin O’Malley preached reforming the Democratic Party and taking “our country back” at the first stop of his first visit to New Hampshire since the 2016 election.

And while he says his trip to the first-in-the-nation presidential primary state was all about 2018 rather than 2020, O’Malley’s address to a group of Democrats at a house party in Salem may be the beginnings of a stump speech in the next race for the White House.

http://www.nh1.com/news/did-i-just-witness-the-start-of-the-2020-presidential-campaign-in-nh-/#.WP34sWGVuU8.facebook
https://www.democraticunderground.com/12816241

'Tonight, Democrats won a huge victory in New Hampshire! The people of the Granite State elected a Democrat to the State Senate - claiming a seat Republicans held from 2010-2016. We have the momentum behind us to continue winning across the country in races up-and-down the ballot.

Can I count on you to support Democrats across the country?

I was honored to join Senator-Elect Kevin Cavanaugh in New Hampshire last week to help get out the vote. Because of this win, Democrats are now only 3 seats away from flipping the chamber.'

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12816256

'Tomorrow, I will be traveling to the Buckeye State to rally Ohioans

to defend our shared American values. Join me tomorrow in Columbus or Cleveland to raise money for state and local Democrats. The 2017 and 2018 midterms are just around the corner. Win back your State, and we will win back our country.
Columbus: 12pm Fundraiser for Ohio House Democrats, The Boat House Restaurant, 679 W Spring St, Columbus, OH 43215. RSVP: Amy Katrak 614-420-1269 or akatrak@ohiodems.org
Cleveland: 5pm Fundraiser for Mayor Trevor Elkins, Crop Bistro & Bar, 2537 Lorain Ave, Cleveland, OH 44113. RSVP:

https://www.facebook.com/events/1846301108968877/

and

Interview: Martin O'Malley

Newshub political editor Patrick Gower talks to US Democrat and former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley about the events that have rocked the Trump administration over the last week.

He also asks if Mr O'Malley is serious about running for President in 2020.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2017/08/interview-martin-o-malley.html

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
74. Good! I'm ready to see him on the national media stage!
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 02:14 PM
Aug 2017

Oh, and I personally think he is charismatic, if you include the characteristics of being physically attractive, intellectually brilliant and untouched by scandal.

elleng

(131,129 posts)
75. and thanks to you, and I agree re: charismatic!
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 02:27 PM
Aug 2017

'Intellectually brilliant' is one of those things that always gets my attention! Too bad it's not the case for many others.

PragmaticLiberal

(904 posts)
64. I agree.
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:48 AM
Aug 2017

To this day, I still believe he was the best candidate in terms of actually implementing progressive policies.

Clearly had the most detailed proposals.

I voted for him two times as governor and would be proud to vote for him for president.

elleng

(131,129 posts)
70. Good to see, PragmaticLiberal.
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 01:51 PM
Aug 2017

He surely was the best candidate in terms of actually implementing progressive policies, and had the most detailed proposals. And I too voted for him as governor, and would be proud to vote for him for president.

Response to lunamagica (Original post)

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
91. I liked him a lot, but...
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:44 PM
Aug 2017

... for some reason he didn't catch on. That puzzled me, but I think it has to be taken seriously. We need people who not only have integrity and intelligence, but who connect with the masses. He connected with me, but I've learned that's not a good indicator.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
92. O'Malley couldn't win Maryland in the primaries. Think about that.
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:45 PM
Aug 2017

I live here. I like him. I've met him.

but he doesn't have the pull, even for the locals.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
93. Very good point. While I'd be fine with him,
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:53 PM
Aug 2017

he didn't come across as very inspiring or telegenic, things that are important at the top of the ticket.

elleng

(131,129 posts)
95. But you know this, and many other things, kwassa:
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 10:56 PM
Aug 2017

'served as the 61st Governor of Maryland from 2007 to 2015. He previously served as the Mayor of Baltimore from 1999 to 2007, and was a councilman from the Third Councilmanic District in the northeast section of the city on the Baltimore City Council from 1991 to 1999.

O'Malley served as the chair of the Democratic Governors Association from 2011 to 2013, while being governor of Maryland. Following his departure from public office in early 2015, he was appointed to The Johns Hopkins University's Carey Business School as a visiting professor focusing on government, business and urban issues.

As governor, in 2011, he signed a law that would make illegal immigrants brought to the United States as children eligible for in-state college tuition. In 2012, he signed a law to legalize same-sex marriage in Maryland. Each law was put to a voter referendum in the 2012 general election, and was upheld by the majority of the state electorate.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_O%27Malley

and: in New Hampshire:

Did I just witness the start of the 2020 presidential campaign in NH?

SALEM –Martin O’Malley preached reforming the Democratic Party and taking “our country back” at the first stop of his first visit to New Hampshire since the 2016 election.

And while he says his trip to the first-in-the-nation presidential primary state was all about 2018 rather than 2020, O’Malley’s address to a group of Democrats at a house party in Salem may be the beginnings of a stump speech in the next race for the White House.

http://www.nh1.com/news/did-i-just-witness-the-start-of-the-2020-presidential-campaign-in-nh-/#.WP34sWGVuU8.facebook
https://www.democraticunderground.com/12816241

'Tonight, Democrats won a huge victory in New Hampshire! The people of the Granite State elected a Democrat to the State Senate - claiming a seat Republicans held from 2010-2016. We have the momentum behind us to continue winning across the country in races up-and-down the ballot.

Can I count on you to support Democrats across the country?

I was honored to join Senator-Elect Kevin Cavanaugh in New Hampshire last week to help get out the vote. Because of this win, Democrats are now only 3 seats away from flipping the chamber.'

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12816256

'Tomorrow, I will be traveling to the Buckeye State to rally Ohioans

to defend our shared American values. Join me tomorrow in Columbus or Cleveland to raise money for state and local Democrats. The 2017 and 2018 midterms are just around the corner. Win back your State, and we will win back our country.
Columbus: 12pm Fundraiser for Ohio House Democrats, The Boat House Restaurant, 679 W Spring St, Columbus, OH 43215. RSVP: Amy Katrak 614-420-1269 or akatrak@ohiodems.org
Cleveland: 5pm Fundraiser for Mayor Trevor Elkins, Crop Bistro & Bar, 2537 Lorain Ave, Cleveland, OH 44113. RSVP:

https://www.facebook.com/events/1846301108968877/

and

Interview: Martin O'Malley

Newshub political editor Patrick Gower talks to US Democrat and former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley about the events that have rocked the Trump administration over the last week.

He also asks if Mr O'Malley is serious about running for President in 2020.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2017/08/interview-martin-o-malley.html

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