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madamesilverspurs

(15,805 posts)
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 06:09 PM Aug 2017

Is Donald Trump crazy or is he just Donald Trump?

I’m not a psychiatrist, but I doubt that Donald Trump is actually crazy — or any more crazy than, say, your crazy uncle who needs his hourly cable-TV-news fix. Sure, he’s unfit for the office. He’s an incompetent who surrounds himself with incompetence. He’s a race-baiting, dog-whistling, fear-mongering demagogue. He’s a megalomaniac and a narcissist who seems to have a major empathy problem. As Trump would say, he’s a sick person. But crazy?

OK, he does have a truth phobia. He began his Phoenix speech lying about the size of the protests outside the hall. That was an easily checkable lie. Everyone who watched the rally on TV had also seen the crowd of protesters. The people at the rally had walked by the protesters. In other words, everyone knew it wasn’t true. Everyone. Does that mean he’s crazy? Or has Trump spent a lifetime lying so baldly that the lie itself becomes its own kind of truth —  seen by his supporters as basically a dare to deny the Trumpian reality that they and Fox News and much of right-wing radio share?

I’m not in the three-dimensional-chess crowd of Trump rationalizers. I don’t think he’s a threat in a game of checkers. But this version of Trump is no more unhinged than any of the versions of the man who we came to know as the self-aggrandizing, tabloid-hungry, reality-TV-famous, short-fingered vulgarian. The difference is that once there was Trump, and now there is Trump in the Oval Office. The crazy, the real crazy, is that enough people in the most powerful nation on earth felt sufficiently moved by his sense of group victimization to elect him president. And if his numbers among Republicans are slipping, the great majority, somewhere around 80 percent, still support him, which is why Republican politicians still support him. Maybe you can explain why people voted for him. But how do you explain why so many stick with him?

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http://www.coloradoindependent.com/166767/littwin-trump-phoenix-charlottesville-nazis-fake-media



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Is Donald Trump crazy or is he just Donald Trump? (Original Post) madamesilverspurs Aug 2017 OP
He is a textbook sociopath...look it up. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #1
i think hes sliding into some form of dementia.... samnsara Aug 2017 #2
"I think hes sliding into some form of dementia.... LenaBaby61 Aug 2017 #6
I know two psychologists who work in a state's prison system bluepen Aug 2017 #3
My brother IS a psychiatrist ... LenaBaby61 Aug 2017 #4
Often really crazy people can safeinOhio Aug 2017 #5
if i had to guess Bill Frist-style... steve2470 Aug 2017 #7
"or"??? SeattleVet Aug 2017 #8
Yes. JHB Aug 2017 #9

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
1. He is a textbook sociopath...look it up.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 06:11 PM
Aug 2017

The problem is the fifty million Americans who see NO problem with who he is and what he is doing.

This acceptance by them and the GOP refusing to remove him is what is going to end our country.

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
2. i think hes sliding into some form of dementia....
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 06:30 PM
Aug 2017

...just look at him from a few years ago...not even the same person intellectually. no wonder he keeps his kids close by.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
6. "I think hes sliding into some form of dementia....
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 06:56 PM
Aug 2017
...just look at him from a few years ago...not even the same person intellectually. no wonder he keeps his kids close by."



What's galling and selfish (Like I'm surprised that they're selfish assholes) is that his children/Melania--those who are closest to him & who have to KNOW that there's a problem with him mentally--STILL allowed him to run for the presidency. And, his decline of speech and the repetitive speech patterns he has are why so many professionals--even without examining him--KNOW that there's something "wrong" with him mentally. He's still got enough retention/faculties remaining at this time, but the tRumputin train is leaving the station.

bluepen

(620 posts)
3. I know two psychologists who work in a state's prison system
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 06:35 PM
Aug 2017

and they agree wholeheartedly that Trump displays the traits of a narcissistic psychopath. They also regret that no one in their profession can go on TV and say so.

That pretty much closes the issue for me.

I'm starting to focus more on why so many goddamn people seem to love him.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
4. My brother IS a psychiatrist ...
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 06:36 PM
Aug 2017

And he tells me that tRumputin is definitely deteriorating mentally, and when he went through and carefully explained the spectrum's of his mental decline to me a month or so ago, it scared the hell out of me. Especially knowing that he has the nuclear codes.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
7. if i had to guess Bill Frist-style...
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 07:01 PM
Aug 2017

Axis I: Rule out dementia
Axis II: Sociopath with prominent narcissistic features
Axis III: Rule out medical issues. Order complete physical evaluation

....but I'd probably be wrong. Bill Frist was wrong too.

In the Terri Schiavo case, a brain-damaged woman whose husband wanted to remove her gastric feeding tube, Frist opposed the removal and in a speech delivered on the Senate Floor, challenged the diagnosis of Schiavo's physicians of Schiavo being in a persistent vegetative state (PVS): "I question it based on a review of the video footage which I spent an hour or so looking at last night in my office".[56] Frist was criticized by a medical ethicist at Northwestern University for making a diagnosis without personally examining the patient and for questioning the diagnosis when he was not a neurologist.[57] After her death, the autopsy showed signs of long-term and irreversible damage to a brain consistent with PVS.[58] Frist defended his actions after the autopsy.[59]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Frist#Schiavo_case

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