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Stargazer99

(2,585 posts)
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 01:48 PM Aug 2017

Farmed fish escape during high tide in the Pacific NW

Because business in general is so worshiped in this country it might be responsible for destroying the natural salmon of the Pacific Northwest. Apparently when the recent eclipse occurred we had a very high tide in the Pacific Northwest and the farmed fish escaped through an inadequate netting. The worry is the interbreding between the wild salmon and the farmed fish.The many Native American tribes depend on the wild salmon and if the farmed fish interbreed with the wild it will destroy the natural specie. Apparently, the netting containing the farmed fish allowed them to escape by an extremely high tide. Who was asleep at the switch? Certainly they must have know this could happen and take steps to make sure it doesn't.
My question is why in the H was this not anticipated before farmed fish entities were allowed? Business although it is worshiped in this country despite the death and destruction it often produces and is allowed free pass.
The Native Americans will be harmed by this irresponsibility of the farmed fish business. The Native American of the Northwest ought to sue the living hell out of who is responsible. The farmed fish are often ill-formed and fed unnaturally, unlike the natural salmon.
Responsibility is a two-way street to use it in a one sided power grab produces serious problems.
This really ticks me off

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Farmed fish escape during high tide in the Pacific NW (Original Post) Stargazer99 Aug 2017 OP
link? WheelWalker Aug 2017 #1
Check Seattle newspapers Stargazer99 Aug 2017 #18
Who's worrying that farmed Atlantic salmon are "interbreeding" with Pacific native species? WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #2
yes it is - KT2000 Aug 2017 #10
There is definitely a higher risk of disease. Interbreeding is not an issue. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #12
read NW newspapers -it has been documented this AM Stargazer99 Aug 2017 #13
That they're interbreeding? Link, please. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #23
And if they are interbreeding, that means more salmon for everyone Not Ruth Aug 2017 #3
There are five varieties of Pacific salmon, each with distinctive characteristics. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #5
Native Americans are allowed some portion of the salmon by Treaty Stargazer99 Aug 2017 #14
They would not be misshaped and ill fed if they were the product of interbreeding Not Ruth Aug 2017 #19
I Wouldn't Be Too Concerned Leith Aug 2017 #4
That was my exact thought. Doreen Aug 2017 #7
A Previous Post Mentioned Atlantic Vs. Pacific Salmon Leith Aug 2017 #8
There is a big difference in how they are confined and fed unatural foods Stargazer99 Aug 2017 #15
You Mean... Leith Aug 2017 #20
You do realize, don't you, that millions of "farmed" salmon are released from hatcheries WheelWalker Aug 2017 #6
My New Fact of the Day Leith Aug 2017 #9
hatcheries are not farmed salmon KT2000 Aug 2017 #11
Is this to make sure the Native American has no claim to the interbred ones? Stargazer99 Aug 2017 #16
hopefully aren't the farm fish modified to grow fast early with weak bones & immune system from Sunlei Aug 2017 #17
Thank you at least someone knows the possible problems and is looking at reality Stargazer99 Aug 2017 #21
I need to post a video of the ridiculous amount of Tilapia Ligyron Aug 2017 #24
perhaps the fear stems from the asian carp disaster along the mississippi dembotoz Aug 2017 #22
Animals are not food. Codeine Aug 2017 #25
If they're not food then why are they so delicious? JoeStuckInOH Aug 2017 #27
...and made out of meat Major Nikon Aug 2017 #29
... Major Nikon Aug 2017 #28
TRUMP need to build a wall....... MyOwnPeace Aug 2017 #26

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,355 posts)
2. Who's worrying that farmed Atlantic salmon are "interbreeding" with Pacific native species?
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 01:55 PM
Aug 2017

It's never been documented, and any time Atlantic salmon have been deliberately introduced, they've never hung on in the region. Cooke Aquaculture blew it this weekend, and fish farming is rife with problems, but this is not the environmental disaster than some websites are claiming it is.

KT2000

(20,581 posts)
10. yes it is -
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 02:22 PM
Aug 2017

farmed fish live in an environment that promotes the spread of illnesses and lice therefore they are treated. When they mix with the wild salmon there is a risk of passing the diseases to the wild stock.
This is another example of business run amok. In the next town there are farmed fish pens located in the waters of a Superfund site. They just cut the tumors off the fish before they are sold. This particular enterprise has not had much success as they have had failures.
Whether or not there would be interbreeding, I don't know but this is a disaster.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,355 posts)
12. There is definitely a higher risk of disease. Interbreeding is not an issue.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 02:36 PM
Aug 2017

Farmed fish are easy prey for predators and will soon be gone from the pool. As I said, I understand the issues around fish farming and think there needs to be a lot more regulation and compliance. But a sky-is-falling approach helps no one.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
3. And if they are interbreeding, that means more salmon for everyone
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 01:57 PM
Aug 2017

I do not believe that there is some master race of salmon that needs to be pure.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,355 posts)
5. There are five varieties of Pacific salmon, each with distinctive characteristics.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 01:59 PM
Aug 2017

They don't interbreed, however.

Stargazer99

(2,585 posts)
14. Native Americans are allowed some portion of the salmon by Treaty
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 03:01 PM
Aug 2017

I don't know about you but I would prefer eating natural fish to the mishaped and ill fed farm fish

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
19. They would not be misshaped and ill fed if they were the product of interbreeding
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 03:06 PM
Aug 2017

They would swim free and look like any other fish.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
4. I Wouldn't Be Too Concerned
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 01:58 PM
Aug 2017

If the farm fish are ill formed and unable to feed themselves, they will die off quickly. If some survive, it will be because they are close enough to the wild fish for there to be no difference. Humans have not been farming salmon long enough for the genome to change.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
8. A Previous Post Mentioned Atlantic Vs. Pacific Salmon
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 02:08 PM
Aug 2017

If that's the case, the Atlantic Salmon won't be able to breed at all because their native streams are thousands of miles away and they have no capacity to travel the distance or knowledge of how to get there.

But the OP had a good point on the high tide. One would assume that a fish farmer had some knowledge of tides and what causes them - and would take steps to adjust the nets.

Stargazer99

(2,585 posts)
15. There is a big difference in how they are confined and fed unatural foods
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 03:02 PM
Aug 2017

You think that leads to healthy food?

Leith

(7,809 posts)
20. You Mean...
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 03:07 PM
Aug 2017

as opposed to every other item of food that people eat?

I'm am not a nutritionist or biologist. How would my opinion on "healthy" food be useful?

WheelWalker

(8,955 posts)
6. You do realize, don't you, that millions of "farmed" salmon are released from hatcheries
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 02:00 PM
Aug 2017

every year in the PNW? Intentionally?

Leith

(7,809 posts)
9. My New Fact of the Day
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 02:11 PM
Aug 2017

I did not know that. Thanks!

But, I and everyone I know have never even been close to or worked in the industry, or even thought much about it. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.

KT2000

(20,581 posts)
11. hatcheries are not farmed salmon
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 02:25 PM
Aug 2017

fish pen farms raise the salmon to maturity where they live in close quarters their whole lives. They are treated for illnesses and lice that develop. Hatcheries release young salmon that are closely monitored for such things and their lives in confinement is short.

Apples and oranges.

Stargazer99

(2,585 posts)
16. Is this to make sure the Native American has no claim to the interbred ones?
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 03:03 PM
Aug 2017

Sounds like a set up to me

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
17. hopefully aren't the farm fish modified to grow fast early with weak bones & immune system from
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 03:03 PM
Aug 2017

hyper growth. would suck if that bred into the wild population. guess we will have to wait and see what shows up in the streams, creeks and rivers next spring.

all the texas rainwater retention 'ponds', drainage ditches , streams and bayous are full of delicious tilapia ,Chinese carp and some Koi, mollies, guppies and other varied tropical invasion fish.

Ligyron

(7,633 posts)
24. I need to post a video of the ridiculous amount of Tilapia
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 03:39 PM
Aug 2017

we catch in cast nets every time we throw one here in Florida. And of course every aquarium fish ever imported to the US plus now we have Snake head. I hear they are yummy tho'.

With your Pacific salmon, I think diseases from the escaped farm fish will be the biggest problem. Why don't they just farm Pacific salmon instead of Atlantic? Maybe the Atlantic taste better or something.

dembotoz

(16,806 posts)
22. perhaps the fear stems from the asian carp disaster along the mississippi
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 03:11 PM
Aug 2017

again fish farms not quite separated enough from the waterways

and yes apple and oranges

but you can understand folks concerns

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