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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 12:46 AM Jul 2012

Is there a Republican mutiny in the works against Mitt Romney?

A few of Romney's vanquished foes have probably been dreaming about a brokered convention for the last week? They never really cared for Mitt. They gave their tepid support simply as a Party tradition. Their heart was never in it.

Now that the owner of a far-right website and popular conservative discussion board for Freepers has declared his opposition to Mitt, we can guess that he is not the only one. They have little incentive to save Mitt from the disasters of his own making, ie, lying about his years at Bain and refusing to offer any transparency on his tax returns. Many of them dislike it as much as the Democratic left dislikes it.

It appears there may be trouble brewing? There is a lot of nervousness in the flock. Romney's supporters are talking desertion. Barack Obama appears to be the least of his troubles at the moment.

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Is there a Republican mutiny in the works against Mitt Romney? (Original Post) kentuck Jul 2012 OP
hehehe veganlush Jul 2012 #1
If there isn;t....there should be opihimoimoi Jul 2012 #2
I wouldn't bet on it, but it's a nice idea 0rganism Jul 2012 #3
this is like a great mystery novel Voice for Peace Jul 2012 #4
M$M isn't reporting on all of the Bain inconsistencies, just that Romney left Bain in 1999 siligut Jul 2012 #5
nah... bighughdiehl Jul 2012 #6
I think yes Jessy169 Jul 2012 #7
Alabama GOP Governor Says Release More Years Of Tax Returns Romney DallasNE Jul 2012 #8
I've been saying for a while that I'd like to see the Convention turn ito a fist fight Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #9
My Ron Paul supporting Facebook friends seem to think that could happen nxylas Jul 2012 #10
I can imagine a scene where they get enough states and the leadership Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #11
When King Ron dies or retires, their adoration will pass to Prince Rand nxylas Jul 2012 #12
They'll keep him on ice and wake him up occasionally for profound pronouncements, klook Jul 2012 #16
The whole world is B Calm Jul 2012 #13
More interesting than when McCain cancelled one day of the last convention? Generic Brad Jul 2012 #28
White Southerners are the base of the GOP and LuvNewcastle Jul 2012 #14
No mutiny. Just an uptick in the level of grumbling. Jim Lane Jul 2012 #15
Are there any convention delegates who are "talking desertion"? B Calm Jul 2012 #19
How many of Romney's delegates are "superdelegates" who can change their ProgressiveEconomist Jul 2012 #26
Someone I follow on Twitter Dalai_1 Jul 2012 #17
The crazy portion of the right has never wanted Rmoney as the candidate justiceischeap Jul 2012 #18
The majority of voters in the Repub primaries voted against him. DCBob Jul 2012 #20
True but the difference is, it seems to me, that this is one case justiceischeap Jul 2012 #21
Clearly there is significant percent on the right that would be thrilled to get rid of Romney. DCBob Jul 2012 #22
Mutiny or bait and switch? SkatmanRoth Jul 2012 #23
You could look it that way but.. DCBob Jul 2012 #24
No, Romney has just been wounded real bad here and the GOP is in panic mode NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #25
The GOP is authoritarian by nature BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #27
Flop sweat Canuckistanian Jul 2012 #29
The Paul people have been forcefully trying to upend the result of the primaries. D23MIURG23 Jul 2012 #30

0rganism

(23,975 posts)
3. I wouldn't bet on it, but it's a nice idea
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 01:02 AM
Jul 2012

They'll moan and groan about him, sure. He's not the strongest candidate they could have run. But he's incredibly very much rich and the establishment backs him now, so the disgruntled wingnuts will fall in line after the convention and pull the lever for him when the election rolls around.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
4. this is like a great mystery novel
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 01:02 AM
Jul 2012

a real page turner

and I keep going back and reading chapters two, three times
while waiting for the next installment.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
5. M$M isn't reporting on all of the Bain inconsistencies, just that Romney left Bain in 1999
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 01:15 AM
Jul 2012

And that Obama is using Bain as a shiny thing to distract from something negative about Obama. Some Republicans do seem to be distancing themselves from Romney though.

Maybe there is more talk about strategy, with some reserve because it looks like rough sailing, but this Bain thing, as much fun as it is for us, it really isn't getting out there.

That might change, but after the convention, Romney and company will have $$$$$$$$$$ to make Mitt look better than Obama and Rove probably thinks he can still do it.

bighughdiehl

(390 posts)
6. nah...
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 01:40 AM
Jul 2012

I think the American's people'e tolerance of fucking Bush and the
antics and corruption of various repukes made them think they
really could run and win with a walking stereotype of a clueless,
crooked CEO right out of Office Space. And, let's face it,
they might be right. Three and a half months to go and the American
people's memory is short, plus a little Diebold action and ya just
might still have a win for Rmoney.

Jessy169

(602 posts)
7. I think yes
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 01:41 AM
Jul 2012

In my opinion, there is just too much dirt being dug up on Romney. What has been revealed and proven true so far is bad enough, but what must be terrifying to the Republicans standing on the sidelines worrying about this -- the "bedwetters" as Romney's campaign called them -- is what they don't know about yet, but fear is coming. I can't imagine any but the true hardcore Romney supporters are determined to ride this crazy train all the way off the cliff with him, and that's exactly where it looks like it is going, to me, anyway.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
8. Alabama GOP Governor Says Release More Years Of Tax Returns Romney
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 02:30 AM
Jul 2012

According to ThinkProgress and I asked whether some in the GOP might be shopping around for another candidate at the GOP convention. Hard to see how that can happen but who knows when it comes to Republicans because they could wrestle the Etch-A-Sketch away from Romney and take him right out to the picture.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
9. I've been saying for a while that I'd like to see the Convention turn ito a fist fight
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 02:31 AM
Jul 2012

between Ron Paul supporters and unenthusiastic Romney supporters.

I still can't believe they're allowing guns outside of the convention.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
10. My Ron Paul supporting Facebook friends seem to think that could happen
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 03:46 AM
Jul 2012

Mind you, they also insisted that Paul could win the nomination despite running more or less the same campaign as in 2008, when he, erm, didn't win the nomination. So I wouldn't use them as a reliable source.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
11. I can imagine a scene where they get enough states and the leadership
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 04:12 AM
Jul 2012

tells them no anyway or just ignores it.

Ron Paul supporters really believe it's either him or America is destroyed.

I wonder what will happen to them when the old man dies. Will they become a cult?

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
12. When King Ron dies or retires, their adoration will pass to Prince Rand
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 04:42 AM
Jul 2012

Even though he's just a garden variety teabagger with little of the integrity that attracts people to his father.

klook

(12,171 posts)
16. They'll keep him on ice and wake him up occasionally for profound pronouncements,
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 07:07 AM
Jul 2012

like Commander Powell in Dark Star.


Or they'll keep his head in a jar.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
13. The whole world is
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 05:34 AM
Jul 2012

going to see how broken the republican party is. This is going to be the most interesting GOP convention ever!!

LuvNewcastle

(16,860 posts)
14. White Southerners are the base of the GOP and
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 05:46 AM
Jul 2012

they have never liked Romney. They are also the people who hate Obama the most and if they think Romney won't be able to beat him, they are going to push hard for another nominee. However, a lot of wealthy and powerful people have already given millions to Romney's campaign and they aren't going to like seeing all that money go down the drain. This situation has all the makings of a big rift in the Republican Party and they're going to cut their own throats if they can't hold it together.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
15. No mutiny. Just an uptick in the level of grumbling.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:38 AM
Jul 2012

It's probable that, if all the primaries and caucuses were to be re-run now, Romney would do worse than he actually did.

It's certain, however, that none of the primaries and caucuses are going to be re-run. Romney has the delegates. They'll vote for him on the first ballot, and he'll win on the first ballot.

Are there any convention delegates who are "talking desertion"? Many delegates are legally bound to vote for Romney on the first ballot. Most of the rest will vote for him because they genuinely support him, or because there's no viable alternative, or because they don't want to be seen as retreating under fire from Democrats.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
19. Are there any convention delegates who are "talking desertion"?
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 07:45 AM
Jul 2012

Huh. .

I look for many of those delegates to vote for Ron Paul at the convention.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
26. How many of Romney's delegates are "superdelegates" who can change their
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 09:17 AM
Jul 2012

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votes at any time?

I've seen counts of the total number of Republican superdelegates as high as 168 and as low as 120. How many delegates does Romney have in total? He needs 1144 to win on the first ballot. In addition to superdelegates, could Romney delegates "poached" by Ron Paul put him short of 1144 on the first ballot? If so, the second ballot would be completely up for grabs.

If someone other than Romney steals the nomination, self-entitled Romney supporters will not be happy and will spoil party unity. Maybe they'd go as far as Ted Kennedy supporters went in 1980, keeping their campaign offices open AFTER the convention and helping to allow the other party to win the Presidency.

Dalai_1

(1,301 posts)
17. Someone I follow on Twitter
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 07:18 AM
Jul 2012

whose tweets have been on target ,tweeted on Friday morning
"shakeup on Sunday night"....I have seen no reference
to this from anyone else...this tweet came in the barrage
of tweets regarding Rmoney/Bain

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
18. The crazy portion of the right has never wanted Rmoney as the candidate
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 07:21 AM
Jul 2012

I know, some of you are probably thinking all repubs are crazy but, alas, I think there are a handful of sane one's around. I mean the crazy faction that has taken over the repub party, mainly the tea baggers and christian-jihadists. So, it's not surprising that when he looks to be floundering, the "anyone but Obama" meme seems to lose steam. They've felt all along that with his record in Massachusetts makes him no different than Obama. Let's not forget the issue of his mormonism--that's never set right with them either. There are lots of reasons for the crazy right not to like Rmoney.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
20. The majority of voters in the Repub primaries voted against him.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 07:46 AM
Jul 2012

Romney only won because that vote was split.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
21. True but the difference is, it seems to me, that this is one case
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 07:50 AM
Jul 2012

where the "common" voter isn't towing the party line. It seems they're having a difficult time with the concept of holding their noses as they vote solely because he has an (R) after his name.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
22. Clearly there is significant percent on the right that would be thrilled to get rid of Romney.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 08:00 AM
Jul 2012

Not sure how thats is going to play out but it could get interesting.

SkatmanRoth

(843 posts)
23. Mutiny or bait and switch?
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 08:18 AM
Jul 2012

President Obama is fully immersed in a campaign against Willard. A huge monetary investment has already been made in advertisements and research against Romney and his previous life. The Republicans could drive all that into waste if they nominate someone else to stand in Mitt's place.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
24. You could look it that way but..
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 08:22 AM
Jul 2012

you could also say there is an even larger monetary investment in Romney on the right that would be wasted. The Koch boys might be very upset. They will need to pony up to buy another candidate.

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
25. No, Romney has just been wounded real bad here and the GOP is in panic mode
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 08:51 AM
Jul 2012

You can tell by some of the nonsensical threads a few posters have been promoting here to try to change the subject and give Romney a little breathing room to try and get past this near first round knockout.

That is what is happening.

Don

BumRushDaShow

(129,671 posts)
27. The GOP is authoritarian by nature
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 09:45 AM
Jul 2012

They will pull out BIG guns and big-time threaten the attendees in order to present a "united front", without any or minimal sturm und drang, and will most likely allow the most vile of teabaggery refuse to have center stage speaking roles as a consolation prize. I expect it will be akin to this in Tampa for all across the salivating M$M to see and vigorously promote -



It's all they have left. Their last stand.

D23MIURG23

(2,850 posts)
30. The Paul people have been forcefully trying to upend the result of the primaries.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:12 PM
Jul 2012

Personally I'm hoping they try to disrupt the convention, and just generally make a mess of it. I think shittens will still end up with the nomination, but so much the better for us. Paul frightens me because a large number of people seem to have no idea how crazy he is.

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