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Harvard Study: Mainstream Media Acted as Trumps Mouthpiece, Clintons Foe (Original Post) CousinIT Aug 2017 OP
Let me be among the first to say "no shit." Orrex Aug 2017 #1
Like DUH, that was a real shocker, wasn't it! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #3
Even NPR was guilty of this Orrex Aug 2017 #7
Hah! NPR hasn't been nonpartisan for a few decades. Look at who's funding them. Eyeball_Kid Aug 2017 #17
Yep!!! Almost anytime I turned to a media source it was Trump Trump Trump and often in RKP5637 Aug 2017 #39
Yes, MaryLouisaWillis Aug 2017 #21
Good example: Trump menacing Hillary on stage should have been immediately stopped by MSM Moderators stuffmatters Aug 2017 #92
To this I add, "water is wet". nt jrthin Aug 2017 #38
Took a Harvard study to figure this out eh? flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #45
Also, give a listen to Thom Hartmann, daily online at WCPT in Chicago 12-3 EST. Can't Doitnow Aug 2017 #100
Thom listener here too n/t oppressedproletarian Aug 2017 #109
They're finally just noticing?? Rhiannon12866 Aug 2017 #65
Harvard: Last Year's News, Today Orrex Aug 2017 #66
The scary thing is, it's still going on fairly often. Rhiannon12866 Aug 2017 #67
Ain't that the truth! Orrex Aug 2017 #69
I just changed the channel at the auto dealership to catch up on the news Rhiannon12866 Aug 2017 #71
Yup. ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #72
Let me be among the last in this thread, Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2017 #83
Let me be the second. Lifelong Protester Aug 2017 #94
Pretty Fucking obvious to most of us joeybee12 Aug 2017 #2
... and to a person they will react as if they were called pedophiles if this is brought up!! uponit7771 Aug 2017 #4
It's nice to have it quantified. Chemisse Aug 2017 #5
Exactly. I agree with the "no shit, sherlock" sentiment here, VWolf Aug 2017 #23
+1 studies like this are extremely important because spooky3 Aug 2017 #52
"the liberal media" Botany Aug 2017 #6
There is no liberal media! Initech Aug 2017 #8
"The liberal media" is corporate media and only concerned about money. DK504 Aug 2017 #63
The news media's overall coverage of ALL women in politics is biased. procon Aug 2017 #9
It Was Always the Misogyny dlk Aug 2017 #10
Fugging Duh! malaise Aug 2017 #11
and NBC's Matt LIAR was the worst! His lips were firmly attached MojoWrkn Aug 2017 #12
He probably lives up there. Duppers Aug 2017 #20
He was plucked from obscurity to cohost "Live at Five" on local NYC tv SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2017 #86
And his condescending interview of Hillary was repulsive bdjhawk Aug 2017 #106
It is important to remember at this point Big Blue Marble Aug 2017 #13
Both the Washington Post and NYT published excerpts from the Breitbart sponsored "Clinton Cash"... deurbano Aug 2017 #29
That Mercer funded book was debunked before it was published. But NYT had their "exclusive" emulatorloo Aug 2017 #33
Bet they don't report this truth mcar Aug 2017 #14
They could have asked us. :) Solly Mack Aug 2017 #15
But her emails, Andrea!! tavernier Aug 2017 #16
Andrea Mitchell, from my corner of the universe, has no credibility. Eyeball_Kid Aug 2017 #18
I still remember the night of the New Hampshire Primary, 2008. StevieM Aug 2017 #24
The constant fawning over Trump by the media was sickening. MarianJack Aug 2017 #19
I can not imagine MaryLouisaWillis Aug 2017 #26
I think that the Republicans in congress will want him gone this year. MarianJack Aug 2017 #30
You are horrifyingly correct Orrex Aug 2017 #32
Yes, Orrex, horrifying. MarianJack Aug 2017 #58
no one needs a graph if they were paying any kind of attention spanone Aug 2017 #22
If only someone had mentioned this during the election.... Liberalagogo Aug 2017 #25
Best of luck getting this through the thick skulls that adore him.... wolfie001 Aug 2017 #27
Ignoring the fact that MSM favored Trump due to his entertainment value no_hypocrisy Aug 2017 #28
They gave much better coverage to Bernie MaryLouisaWillis Aug 2017 #31
So true! lunamagica Aug 2017 #74
Bernie was held to regular standards, Trump held to no standards Skittles Aug 2017 #95
Speaking of Bernie----During the primaries he was TOTALLY ignored as his Doitnow Aug 2017 #101
I saw him plenty, and he was talking about the issues (all too often sounding exactly the same) Skittles Aug 2017 #107
The nightly ratings were flagging so they had to Blue_Tires Aug 2017 #34
+1 leftstreet Aug 2017 #36
Still are Bear Creek Aug 2017 #35
Ratings to sell advertising. Don't give them your time , views or $$$ lunasun Aug 2017 #37
Behind every facade there are the economic interests that shape the ideology bucolic_frolic Aug 2017 #40
gee. as if. lies and more lies. AllaN01Bear Aug 2017 #41
Horrible Maureen Dowd is a perfect example. lark Aug 2017 #42
+1 The media was a conned by Drumph as much of Murica, they should be better than that flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #49
Mika and Joe .... LenaBaby61 Aug 2017 #56
This was obvious to me. Nice that someone documenred it. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #43
This wasn't about Hillary or Trump, anymore than pimping Palin in 2008 was about Palin Snake Plissken Aug 2017 #44
Is the mainstream media reflecting on this? No news here, but... LAS14 Aug 2017 #46
ok, why would they be reflecting on this? If this becomes something that damages their image, sure. JCanete Aug 2017 #82
Agreed to No Shit...Bring back the Fairness Doctrine with teeth - jail terms and fines. c-rational Aug 2017 #47
Yet There Will Still Be Some On Here Me. Aug 2017 #48
I had a friend who just emailed me ... LenaBaby61 Aug 2017 #59
I Especially Hold The Triumvirate Me. Aug 2017 #64
HA Goodman NewJeffCT Aug 2017 #80
That's The Very, Vile, One Me. Aug 2017 #84
Steve Kornacki did a similar thing just now on MSNBC spooky3 Aug 2017 #98
In the immortal words of a few DUers: HughBeaumont Aug 2017 #50
No shit, Sherlock, as has... 3catwoman3 Aug 2017 #51
The media was used to makign a lazy buck DonCoquixote Aug 2017 #53
The Media helped to elect trump Gothmog Aug 2017 #54
The Media helped to elect trump. LenaBaby61 Aug 2017 #60
Exactly. The entertainment value of his outrageous rantings brought in ratings. Rhiannon12866 Aug 2017 #68
And they're still doing it. Rhiannon12866 Aug 2017 #70
IF/WHEN another Dem is ever elected president .... LenaBaby61 Aug 2017 #75
MSM during the election. workinclasszero Aug 2017 #55
We all watched it happening. herding cats Aug 2017 #57
If they included Fox News in this overall analysis. . . Stargleamer Aug 2017 #61
Without the media amplifier - his Tweets would be irrelevant... hexola Aug 2017 #62
Quelle surprise rock Aug 2017 #73
No kidding! lunamagica Aug 2017 #76
Yep tiredtoo Aug 2017 #77
It was ALL TRUMP all day during the campaign LittleGirl Aug 2017 #78
It was ALL TRUMP all day during the campaign. LenaBaby61 Aug 2017 #102
I think I remember that LittleGirl Aug 2017 #110
It's good that they actually neasured the media focus Progressive dog Aug 2017 #79
Yes, it's the great irony that Republicans get to pretend that the media has a liberal bias and that JCanete Aug 2017 #81
REALLY???? SergeStorms Aug 2017 #85
My problem with this conclusion is that Trump's Immigration policies were a scandal. Nitram Aug 2017 #87
Hillary is largely to blame for that. Here's why LittleBlue Aug 2017 #88
K&R betsuni Aug 2017 #89
MSM sabotaged Hillary, esp cringeworthy: Kristin Welker Andrea Mitchell alway closed with email jab stuffmatters Aug 2017 #90
They gave Trump 3 billion dollars worth of free publicity. LenaBaby61 Aug 2017 #103
Exactly stuffmatters Aug 2017 #105
In other shocking news... Doug the Dem Aug 2017 #91
Corporate media is heavy on the corporate. McCamy Taylor Aug 2017 #93
Shocked, I tells ya, shocked Lifelong Protester Aug 2017 #96
Sure damn did. zentrum Aug 2017 #97
I also noticed today that the sky was blue. n/t Beartracks Aug 2017 #99
It's up to DNC to organize and relentlessly contact the MSM nationally & in every media market stuffmatters Aug 2017 #104
I am tweeting - asking media to publish this story CozyMystery Aug 2017 #108
Glaring punchline to this story is "Dems let it happen." Time for us to fight back. stuffmatters Aug 2017 #111

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
7. Even NPR was guilty of this
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 09:30 AM
Aug 2017

They made a point of talking about Clinton's "scandals" and the media's reaction to "the scandals" and the impact of "the scandals" and how the voting public feels about "the scandals" and what Clinton can do to overcome "the scandals."

Meanwhile, they talked about Trump firing up the Republican base, celebrating his "says what he thinks" style, with him pulling no punches and making no apologies.

I can't find the link, but I actually posted around that time to complain that every NPR story about Clinton made sure to mention that people think she's untrustworthy. Trump, in stark contrast, is a straight-talker.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
17. Hah! NPR hasn't been nonpartisan for a few decades. Look at who's funding them.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:19 AM
Aug 2017

They either tow the GOP line, or funding gets pulled. That's how it's been working since Bush 41.

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
39. Yep!!! Almost anytime I turned to a media source it was Trump Trump Trump and often in
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 11:36 AM
Aug 2017

a favorable sense. And NPR, one would think they could comprehend what was going on.

MaryLouisaWillis

(44 posts)
21. Yes,
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:45 AM
Aug 2017

I was watching Morning Joe, they had a bit of her book where she was describing the debate where trump following her around. Both he and andrea mitchell commented about how the book was probably going to be , I forget the word they used but it basically meant dishonest. They also were saying she probably would blame everyone but herself. WTF, they helped put trump in the White House and they can't take any responsibility for that at all. In the part they played she says "I let the country down" and they ask if she will take responsibility. I wish I could get in andrea's face and tell her what I think of her.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
92. Good example: Trump menacing Hillary on stage should have been immediately stopped by MSM Moderators
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 08:18 PM
Aug 2017

Trump backing up to her, literally breathing down her neck, was an egregiously obvious, sexist act of intimidation, violation of her space and attempt to make her loose her train of thought.

There are behaviour norms, rules in debates, Trump trashed them on stage, yet the MSM moderators sat quietly by, let him get away with, in fact normalized, Trump's repugnant tactic by not stopping him on the spot ON TV..

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
45. Took a Harvard study to figure this out eh?
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 11:48 AM
Aug 2017

My first thought exactly. The media gave Rump millions in free advertisement. It was the most insane info-tainment ever, and they ate it up.

They still do, for the most part. We can be having a national conversation about healthcare, elections, whatever, and then Twitler tweets a mental dick-pic, and that's every headline for at least a day.

Thank GOD for the NYT, WaPO, Rachael, Lawrence, Joy etc. because otherwise we'd be actually living in a combination of the movie "idiocracy", combined with "the apprentice". Print journalism apparently found their souls in a long-forgotten broom closet, and are being rewarded thusly. Sometimes it takes hitting rock bottom to start the journey of healing.

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
100. Also, give a listen to Thom Hartmann, daily online at WCPT in Chicago 12-3 EST. Can't
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 12:16 AM
Aug 2017

praise him enough.

Rhiannon12866

(205,446 posts)
67. The scary thing is, it's still going on fairly often.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 02:09 PM
Aug 2017

There's always an excuse. Behavior that would generate shock and outrage if it came from any other POTUS - of either party - is seen as "normal" for Trump.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
69. Ain't that the truth!
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 02:29 PM
Aug 2017

A few weeks ago I made some comment to the effect of "If Obama had done this, he'd be impeached by the end of the day."

To which a fellow DUer rightly replied: "Trump commits a dozen impeachable offenses before breakfast every day."


And where is The Mightly Fourth Estate during all this? They're more or less wherever Trump wants them to be, reporting more or less whatever Trump wants them to report.

Rhiannon12866

(205,446 posts)
71. I just changed the channel at the auto dealership to catch up on the news
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 02:48 PM
Aug 2017

To be confronted with the latest Trump "speech" in its entirety. And they're calmly comparing it to the insane rantings from last night - which I didn't watch - like this is normal behavior for any commander-in-chief.

I don't expect hair-on-fire every time he opens his mouth, but calm analysis just serves to "normalize" his behavior, which is anything but! If they can't do it, have someone on who will! Maxine Waters would be good...

And now they've moved on to criticizing Hillary Clinton's book! There is outrage about that! WTF???

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
5. It's nice to have it quantified.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 09:21 AM
Aug 2017

It was so obvious all along, of course. One actually had to go to Clinton's web site to find out where she stood on the issues.

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
23. Exactly. I agree with the "no shit, sherlock" sentiment here,
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:50 AM
Aug 2017

but quantifiable data is what turns opinions into facts (at least for the reality-based community).

spooky3

(34,456 posts)
52. +1 studies like this are extremely important because
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 12:05 PM
Aug 2017

They count things systematically, control conditions, etc. then it's not a matter of opinion and dueling anecdotes.

Initech

(100,079 posts)
8. There is no liberal media!
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 09:40 AM
Aug 2017

If there were, Trump would have been laughed out of the primaries, and instead he's in the Oval Office.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
63. "The liberal media" is corporate media and only concerned about money.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 01:36 PM
Aug 2017

They are the capitalist media.

procon

(15,805 posts)
9. The news media's overall coverage of ALL women in politics is biased.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 09:42 AM
Aug 2017

News reporting takes the low hanging fruit because it's an easy angle that is going to boost their viewership. Just hinting of some sort of wrongdoing can be enough to change public opinion in a negative way when it comes to women.

The study concludes that Hillary message of "competence, experience, and policy positions were drowned out by coverage of alleged improprieties." Throughout the campaign the media was focused on relentlessly repeating rumors and hearsay about Hillary, and parroting what was said on rightwing news, and echoing the allegations coming from Republicans. They did not cover her policies, and I remember how obvious that gap was during the primaries.

Trump went on virtually unscathed by his many real and significant scandals and the news media soon tired of those incidents because Trump was live and yelling the most outrageous things that reporters had ever heard from a political candidate, and that was what they gave us as 'news'.

MojoWrkn

(139 posts)
12. and NBC's Matt LIAR was the worst! His lips were firmly attached
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:00 AM
Aug 2017

to the orange one's butt during all interviews!

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
86. He was plucked from obscurity to cohost "Live at Five" on local NYC tv
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 06:38 PM
Aug 2017

..eventually moving to national tv studios in the same building. He was completely unqualified to comment on the Rio Olympics let alone host a national broadcast on national security.

It was an abomination. He ought to have gone with Billy Bush.

bdjhawk

(420 posts)
106. And his condescending interview of Hillary was repulsive
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 02:57 AM
Aug 2017

Sucked up to the Orange dunderhead yet acted condescending and skeptical toward an intelligent, experienced woman.

Big Blue Marble

(5,091 posts)
13. It is important to remember at this point
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:10 AM
Aug 2017

that these are all manufactured "scandals" created by the Republicans. And the media took the bait.

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
29. Both the Washington Post and NYT published excerpts from the Breitbart sponsored "Clinton Cash"...
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 11:02 AM
Aug 2017

and right at the time Clinton was officially announcing her candidacy. I couldn't believe it. In their ongoing quest to turn everything Clinton-related into a "scandal," they were actually willing to legitimize and normalize that filthy piece of crap as a "news" source!

emulatorloo

(44,130 posts)
33. That Mercer funded book was debunked before it was published. But NYT had their "exclusive"
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 11:08 AM
Aug 2017

Yuck

At least NYT is doing penance now with hard hitting reporting on this disaster. But I will never forget what the did regarding "Clinton cash"

mcar

(42,334 posts)
14. Bet they don't report this truth
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:11 AM
Aug 2017

They were complicit in the election of a Nazi sociopath.

Now that HRC's book is coming out, they will be on the hate trail again.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
18. Andrea Mitchell, from my corner of the universe, has no credibility.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:22 AM
Aug 2017

Her constant yammering about HRC during the campaigns has always been a tell. She's all GOP, all corporatist. Her hubby approves.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
24. I still remember the night of the New Hampshire Primary, 2008.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:53 AM
Aug 2017

Andrea was going on and on about how Hillary was going to lose because you can't just drop into New Hampshire from time to time, and expect people to vote for you. She was delivering the "celebrity" narrative.

In reality, HRC had a huge New Hampshire presence throughout 2007, making many appearances. She did nothing to warrant that analysis.

It all stopped when Hillary won the primary. If the analysis was true than we should have kept hearing about, while discussing why HRC won anyway. But instead it was just dropped. Because that commentary, like many of the narratives surround Hillary Clinton, was not based on facts--it was based on bullying.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
19. The constant fawning over Trump by the media was sickening.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:37 AM
Aug 2017

IF he makes it to 2020, please don't make the mistake of thinking that it won't happen again. Ratings before the good of the country, after all.

PEACE!

MaryLouisaWillis

(44 posts)
26. I can not imagine
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:54 AM
Aug 2017

Him making it to the next election. I don't think is going to make it to 2018....but that could be wishful thinking.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
30. I think that the Republicans in congress will want him gone this year.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 11:06 AM
Aug 2017

They'll hope that the public will forget that he was THEIRS before next year's elections. Hopefully they'll be as unsuccessful in that attempt as they were in trying to shed the Nixon image in 1974.

This is why EVERY Republican/teabagger office holder needs to be tied DIRECTLY to Donald Trump.

PEACE!

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
32. You are horrifyingly correct
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 11:08 AM
Aug 2017

They will frame him as as the beleaguered underdog, overcoming incredible odds to weather his first embattled presidency before rising up to claim the GOP nomination once again.

They will praise his no-nonsense tough-talking and credit him for reshaping modern politics as we know it.


Democrats could run George Washington himself against Trump, and the media would focus on Washington's "untrustworthiness" due to the made-up story about the cherry tree.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
58. Yes, Orrex, horrifying.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 12:53 PM
Aug 2017

Thank you for your response.

Fox "News" would more than likely obsess over why George Washington won't show his Presidential emails. And why was he so unfair to a great leader like Benedict Arnold?

PEACE!

wolfie001

(2,240 posts)
27. Best of luck getting this through the thick skulls that adore him....
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:55 AM
Aug 2017

....oh, and don't forget WikiLeaks and his boy toy Putin.

no_hypocrisy

(46,117 posts)
28. Ignoring the fact that MSM favored Trump due to his entertainment value
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:57 AM
Aug 2017

versus Hillary trying to stay on the issues. The media consumer will generally gravitate towards cake-and-ice-cream versus steamed broccoli.

MaryLouisaWillis

(44 posts)
31. They gave much better coverage to Bernie
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 11:07 AM
Aug 2017

than Hillary. His voters will say they ignored him. But that is not true. They may have not talked about him alot. But when they did it was positive and they never brought up any of his past misadventures such as his trip to Nicaragua Etc...when he was on the weekend morning shows they did not grill him about stupid email stories or try to trip him up.
I don't blame Hillary for going right to the voters.

Skittles

(153,164 posts)
95. Bernie was held to regular standards, Trump held to no standards
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 09:55 PM
Aug 2017

Hillary was held to impossible standards

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
101. Speaking of Bernie----During the primaries he was TOTALLY ignored as his
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 12:28 AM
Aug 2017

popularity grew---while on the ReThug side the media went on and on and on covering the 2 and 3 percenters along with Dump. It seemed like the talking heads were fined $500 every time they even mentioned Bernie's name.

I blame the media and will never forget how they screwed the Democrats.

Skittles

(153,164 posts)
107. I saw him plenty, and he was talking about the issues (all too often sounding exactly the same)
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:48 AM
Aug 2017

Hillary was constantly trashed

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
34. The nightly ratings were flagging so they had to
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 11:09 AM
Aug 2017

manufacture a "down to the wire" horse race, even though Hillary was by all accounts running away with the race as late as mid-September...

Bear Creek

(883 posts)
35. Still are
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 11:10 AM
Aug 2017

This freak show of a presidency sells newspapers. It also has served to keep being focused on what is important.

bucolic_frolic

(43,173 posts)
40. Behind every facade there are the economic interests that shape the ideology
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 11:38 AM
Aug 2017

If you say 'political economy' here in the US, you are shamed for espousing eastern European class struggle.
But in parts of Europe that's exactly what economics is called because the financial interests shape the
economic ideology which is what bleeds through to the political agendas.

Media is no different. The $queaky wheel gets the grease and makes all the noise it can.

lark

(23,102 posts)
42. Horrible Maureen Dowd is a perfect example.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 11:38 AM
Aug 2017

Maureen Dowd, and others like her, are a part of the reason Hillary isn't president and Drumpf is. During the campaign, it was all how horrible, what a bad, no-good, person Hillary is. Now that she helped install Drumpf, she writes in scathing detail about how bad, terrible and truly worst ever he is. Wrong, she does not get to talk about this now, or at least, yes she can, but she absolutely has zero credibility on this topic.

Same goes for Morning Schmoe, except they do get somewhat of a pass due to Drumpf's lying attack on Mika.

Dowd does not get a pass and is herself deplorable.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
49. +1 The media was a conned by Drumph as much of Murica, they should be better than that
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 11:53 AM
Aug 2017

and we should never forgive them nor let them forget.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
56. Mika and Joe ....
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 12:27 PM
Aug 2017

Played footsie with him too, but as we know his mind is deteriorating so he turned on THEM.

However, if what I hear about them is true--that they STAY going in on HIM now, then at least as of now they're starting to make up a bit for the damage THEY did during last year's campaign season.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
44. This wasn't about Hillary or Trump, anymore than pimping Palin in 2008 was about Palin
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 11:42 AM
Aug 2017

This was about creating an artificial horse race which seem to be the media's only concern when it comes election time. They did their best to make it a close a possible and then came Comey's statement o a public who was already brainwashed to believe that insignificant 8 eight year old emails on an archived hard drive were suddenly worse than a planet clearing asteroid hitting planet Earth.

They will pimp who ever is the underdog to get is as close as possible on election day, it's all about advertising dollars and ratings.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
46. Is the mainstream media reflecting on this? No news here, but...
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 11:50 AM
Aug 2017

... I hope they figure out a better way to "prove" that they're not favoring the liberals. If they don't this could get very, very, Hitleresque dangerous.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
82. ok, why would they be reflecting on this? If this becomes something that damages their image, sure.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 04:20 PM
Aug 2017

If at some point their credibility hits an all-time low and they no longer have an audience, sure. Otherwise, its not like this isn't what the corporate owners of our media haven't cultivated. Individual self-reflection is possible, but even that I'd say is highly unlikely, as if these people didn't know what their network wanted, and weren't fully aware of what they were peddling. You have to work hard to make Trump look good...to "even" the coverage...Its easier to avoid reporting on things, but that's still a conscious enough choice that its hard to believe that even on an individual level, people were oblivious to their personal role in this, despite what they tell themselves at night.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
48. Yet There Will Still Be Some On Here
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 11:53 AM
Aug 2017

As recent as today, who will claim her loss was all her fault and that she was an awful, terrible, worst candidate in history.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
59. I had a friend who just emailed me ...
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 01:21 PM
Aug 2017

And he said about 30 minutes ago that a Wall Street Journal writer on CNN with Jake Tapper and his round table mentioned again how unpopular Hillary still IS in some counties across the country (My friend didn't say which counties these were), and that she lost the race as much as tRump won it

Yeah, and tRumputin is extremely popular and such an upstanding person as he continues on fabricating, lying and defending NAZIS, WHITE NATIONALISTS, SUPREMACISTS AND RACISTS.

Yeah, Hillary was such a hideous person--her and those world-ending emails

There are too many in the news that "suck," and who are also complicit concerning tRumputin and that isn't going to change. These news bosses are STILL chasing tRumputin ratings=money even as he stokes culture wars, spreads racism, hatred and bigotry and continues on with an un-winnable war over in Afghanistan--a war in which he WILL be privatizing and making money off of the death of our service people.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
64. I Especially Hold The Triumvirate
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 01:55 PM
Aug 2017

Of Andrea Mitchell, Chris Cillizza and Ruth Marcus responsible for their day after day, noon time, gleeful slashing of HRC. And I haven’t been able to read Salon since then either because of all the H. A. Goodman “HRC is evil’ articles they published.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
80. HA Goodman
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 03:54 PM
Aug 2017

You mean the guy that was a Rand Paul supporter until mysteriously "switching" to Bernie? (my guess, he was always a Republican, just wanted to cause chaos with democrats - mission accomplished!) You mean, the guy that was publishing "Hillary's indictment is coming any day now" for months on end? (By the way, it's been at least 14-15 months since that "any day now" indictment was coming... was it a double-secret triple-sealed quadruple-top secret indictment that nobody in the world knows about?)

spooky3

(34,456 posts)
98. Steve Kornacki did a similar thing just now on MSNBC
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 11:46 PM
Aug 2017

He was interpreting poll results (showing that despite Trump's low approval ratings, they aren't very different from Nov., and a higher % of people voted for him than approved of him). Of course he said one possible "explanation" was that Clinton was so unpopular etc WITHOUT any mention of how the media fanned these flames, the role of misogyny, etc.

That is another reason why this study is important.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
50. In the immortal words of a few DUers:
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 12:00 PM
Aug 2017

LINCOLN SHOT! TITANIC SINKS!



Teflon Don was somehow immune from the bad publicity, however underreported . . . it was all about "Her e-Mails".

3catwoman3

(24,003 posts)
51. No shit, Sherlock, as has...
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 12:02 PM
Aug 2017

...already been stated here. Does the sun rise in the east and set in the west?

The media is HUGELY responsible for Trump being where he is. They drooled over him, and reported his every breath. No coverage of how supremely UNQUALIFIED he was and is, in every possible way.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
53. The media was used to makign a lazy buck
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 12:07 PM
Aug 2017

Milking resentment of Hillary. Challenging Trump would mean they had less of a chance to make EASY, LAZY money. You average high school Journalism class showed more care than most media outlets.

I know that when Trump's goons say "the Elite" they use that as a dog whistle, but there is a media elite that frankly deserves blame. Look at MSNBC, Rachel is earning them top ratings, to where they beat fox, and who do they hire, Peggy Noonan. Who do they pay, Joe and Mika Scab.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
60. The Media helped to elect trump.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 01:26 PM
Aug 2017

Sure did, and they LOVE the ratings/advertising GOLD=MONEY he brings in. That's not going to stop with this next set of elections coming up in 2018 either. They'll cover this lying, smelly beast if he passes gas. Yeah, that's big news

Rhiannon12866

(205,446 posts)
70. And they're still doing it.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 02:35 PM
Aug 2017

I'm currently at the auto dealership waiting for my car, just changed the channel on the TV here to catch up on the news. And MSNBC was showing, yet again, his latest ridiculous self serving speech in its entirety. This is not normal, he is not normal. But it's normal for him and this outrageous behavior has been "normalized" by the MSM. Where's the outrage??

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
75. IF/WHEN another Dem is ever elected president ....
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 03:36 PM
Aug 2017

I feel that the so-called "Liberal Media" will REALLY over-scrutinize/criticize that poor person as POTUS, like we've never seen before.

They won't get a "Well, give him/her time to adjust" like tRumputin CONTINUES to get in some quarters even given the fact that he's mentally-deteriorating right before our eyes. Even though he's a racist POS, evil, ignorant. A Dem president will face scrutiny out of this damn WORLD during his/her presidency.

Of course, hold especially a president or VP's feet to the fire. Question him/her on health care or on all of the extremely relevant issues we have facing us. But, I have a feeling that the so-called "Liberal Media/press" will be lighting a Dem president/vp on fire because of their mostly 'gentile' coverage of tRumputin. You know, over-compensating for their 'sins' of not grilling the HELL out of tRumputin as they SHOULD have.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
57. We all watched it happening.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 12:31 PM
Aug 2017

They'd air his rallies live and then trash Hillary in their next segment. It was surreal.

Stargleamer

(1,989 posts)
61. If they included Fox News in this overall analysis. . .
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 01:26 PM
Aug 2017

it greatly distorts the coverage by non-Fox news outlets, leading to a warped view of CBS, NBC, ABC, etc. I think we need graphs too where Fox News is excluded to see what was going on among the non-Fox news media.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
62. Without the media amplifier - his Tweets would be irrelevant...
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 01:29 PM
Aug 2017

Most people hear about his Tweets on the TV news - not in their native social media...

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
78. It was ALL TRUMP all day during the campaign
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 03:47 PM
Aug 2017

I couldn't get away from the coverage and I lived in Europe last year.

And since then? Same shit, different day. I never thought I could see so much of someone I can't stand as much as we have in the past 18 months. ugh. I seriously don't want to watch the news.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
102. It was ALL TRUMP all day during the campaign.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 01:21 AM
Aug 2017

The disgraceful fawning and ass-kissing of tRumputin was sickening. I found myself REALLY limiting what I watched on TV & read/watched on the internet (As I do now).

I remember when Bernie was speaking @ a primary victory rally, and a friend whose a huge Bernie supporter (Who proudly voted for Hillary in a Ruby Red Alabama in the GE) wanted me to watch on line along with him, and Bernie was about 5 minutes into his speech then all of a sudden the picture of him was cut down into a very small box in the lower part of the screen and the damn camera focused in on an EMPTY podium awaiting tRumputin while the seldom covered Bernie was speaking live Bernie spoke about 5 minutes uninterrupted, then his little box was gone and the whole screen capture was that of an empty podium for about 10 minutes, then about 15 minutes on and off. My friend was cursing a blue streak, so he fired off a nasty email to MSNBC.

That ass tRump never did show up. Yet, the camera stayed locked on the empty podium fatso was supposed to Heil Hitler @ got more coverage than Bernie speaking live after a primary victory speech.

95% of the NOW all of a suddenly stunned at the way stupid acts media was definitely complicit in getting this racist, sexist, pathologically lying, dumb, mentally-deteriorating, freak show clown into the White House.

Some Fourth Estate. A pox on all of their houses even now.

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
110. I think I remember that
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 10:31 AM
Aug 2017

I was a bernie supporter as well and the lack of coverage was his downfall. the media made this monster and we are all suffering because of it. ugh.

Progressive dog

(6,904 posts)
79. It's good that they actually neasured the media focus
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 03:52 PM
Aug 2017

but that won't stop Trump and his fellow Republicans from continuing to attack the media for bias. Even now, most of the media praises Trump if he spends a few minutes reading from a teleprompter and keeps his real opinions to himself.
We can look forward to more of the media mouths explaining how "we all want the President to succeed" every time he tells us what he really thinks.
The success I want is for Trump and his closest followers to be indicted, convicted, and jailed.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
81. Yes, it's the great irony that Republicans get to pretend that the media has a liberal bias and that
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 04:12 PM
Aug 2017

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the democrats just accept that narrative and never push back, instead going so far as to be apologists for the media, as if acting like they are actually our 4th estate watchdogs will somehow ingratiate that corporate mouthpiece to us. This is why some people sometimes question whether or not Democrats are just the good cop in a big charade. They don't challenge the narrative. They help to enforce it.

It would be so fucking easy to kill this mythology if they weren't afraid to call out the big money. I mean, does it actually make sense that big corporations would be in the business of trying to get people who will regulate and tax them more than republicans, elected? This is shit even conservative voters would experience cognitive dissonance over if it were actually thrown in their face. I've seen the confusion when I've challenged them on this point, and at least so far, there's not even been an attempt at a retort.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
85. REALLY????
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 06:31 PM
Aug 2017

I'm agog and aghast! Who would ever have known? Beside the 65 million or so people who voted for Hillary, that is.

The Harvard study has a clear grasp of the obvious, that's for sure.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
88. Hillary is largely to blame for that. Here's why
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 06:51 PM
Aug 2017

When I saw Trump on MSNBC, it was always the same shit: Build that wall! Oh, and fuck China. They don't want to build it? It just got 10 feet higher folks. China and illegals stealing your jobs, right folks? Yes, that's why we need a wall. You don't have a job? The Chinese stole it.

Shit like that. This mantra of wall building and Chinese stealing jobs would go on every day, nonstop, from morning till night. Every speech ending with the cult-like mantra "make America great again". And the media would obsess over it because he would basically say the same nonsense at all his rallies.

My memories of Hillary on TV was a jumble: Trump is bad, glass ceiling, most qualified, X endorsement, no I don't want to take coal jobs away, Trump is bad, I'm sorry for saying deplorables, Trump endangers NATO, etc etc etc. She didn't have a consistent resonating message. She would always end with something that wasn't memorable at all. "And we're going back to the White House this fall!" or something. Very bland.

The whole thing was surreal because I've always considered the Clintons to be masters of staying on message. Bill was a sound bite machine with the economy in his races.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
90. MSM sabotaged Hillary, esp cringeworthy: Kristin Welker Andrea Mitchell alway closed with email jab
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 08:05 PM
Aug 2017

They gave Trump 3 billion dollars worth of free publicity, normalized him and his message even when he was physically menacing their own reporters from the podium.

MSM relentlessly framed Hillary as an unconvicted criminal, her speeches and positions boring. While the Whole MSM idiotically gushed over Trump as "the populist" (FDR,McGovern and Harkin surely throwing up in their graves) and Trump as must watch.ALL THE TIME
TV.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
97. Sure damn did.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:20 PM
Aug 2017

Now that he's attacked them they start talking about his scandals, his seedy past.

Too late. Where was it before?

They were criminal abettors. He couldn't have done it without them.

My contempt for them grows every day.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
104. It's up to DNC to organize and relentlessly contact the MSM nationally & in every media market
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 02:14 AM
Aug 2017

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It was infuriating to watch the treatment by the MSM from national news to local of our candidates. Their unfair treatment of Hillary over Trump was obvious and went on and on and on right up to The Debacle they promoted of Trump's election.

The DNC's response was beyond impotent, it was flat out embarrassing. It's not up to the candidate ALONE to ride herd or combat the misinformation or brainless both siderism of the MSM. It is up to the DNC to protect our candidates and our Party; their most basic mission should be to keep track and keep on the MSM 24/7 to make sure our candidates get equal media time as well as their message treated honestly and fairly. Making a "statement" of disapproval or complaint, the usual DNC response, continues to be
impotent and ignored. Instead immediately complain to, correct each news show (via calling the news editor) who does it.

My recommendation to Tom Perez, if he truly is interested in helping win elections for Democrats, is to set up an organized media
defense,education &response Grassroots Up Program. Take some of those millions in DNC contribs and set up a media defense organization for Dem candidates and campaigns. Employ and recruit a squad of media monitors in every single news media market and for every national news broadcast..

Then when our candidate (our our ideas like all the Props in Ca) are slighted or filtered through the lies of the Repubs (or the ignorance of these MSM's incurious, ill prepared news actors) Dems should immediately call the News Desk that slighted our us.
A barrage of calls from angry consumers gets the media's attention, especially in local media markets.( I have done it by myself in San Diego when there's a huge GOP lie repeated and it gets pulled off next broadcast)

The Republicans have had a Republican Media Machine for decades now...it is expert not only at training its candidates on framing and messaging and repeating their lies. They also ride herd of the news in every market 24/7 . Look at your local news. Look at how many local state and national seats have been lost to Dems. This Republicanization of our media simply has to stop. And it's up to the DNC as a fundamental responsibility to set up our own media Machine and defend our candidates and ideas all over the US from their
dominance of our MSM.




CozyMystery

(652 posts)
108. I am tweeting - asking media to publish this story
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 08:41 AM
Aug 2017

to the NY Times, WAPO, Fox News, Senate Democrats, and House Democrats so far. I'll get to more later this morning.

Added: DNC, DNC Press, CNN,and DNC Women.

I hope some of you will join me in doing that.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
111. Glaring punchline to this story is "Dems let it happen." Time for us to fight back.
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 04:57 PM
Aug 2017

If Perez now won't rake the bull by the horns, maybe we at DU need to set up our own squad of media monitors all over the Country to defend our Democratic Party and, essentially at this point, our Democracy FROM the MSM. It's a start, somebody, somehow needs to get this going.

I'm always surprised when I complain to our local news editors that I'm THE ONLY CALL on that story. Think if they got twenty calls.

One of the ways local news has increasingly protected Repugs is by abandoning City Hall reporting as well as never reporting on Congressional vote by our Representatives or even State votes. Republicans thrive in darkness, and the national and local news has been shockingly complicit, negligent in telling voters how their own elected officials vote in their name and on their dime.

It really is time for our local news to change from car crash nightly to being responsible for telling their viewers (consumers) what is being done by their own government, things that are actually effecting their lives.. That also might force them to start hiring some actual reporters with some educational and intellectual foundation for journalism.

Whether it's The DNC, which it should be, or we start a grass roots Media Democratic Defense Squad here by forming a DU group, OR BOTH, something's got to be done. Pencil me in.

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