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The Morning Joe host was appalled that crowd members shouted out calls for McCains death as Trump attacked the Republican senator for casting the deciding vote against the repeal of the Affordable Care Act.
Who talks like that? Scarborough said. But heres another question: Who cheers at that? Who cheers when a man speaks derisively about an American war hero who has given his life to the people of Arizona and the United States of America in a POW camp, is battling brain cancer, is going through chemotherapy. And not only are they derisively going along with Donald Trump but people are actually shouting that they want John McCain to die.
Scarborough said he was sure McCain wasnt personally offended, and co-host Willie Geist pointed out that Trump made no mention of the 10 missing or dead sailors following a crash involving the U.S. Navy ship named for the senator.
Now John McCains a tough guy, he can handle that, Scarborough said, but Willie, who are these people that act like theyre cheering on a pep rally at a high school basketball game when hes saying deeply, deeply offensive things about this country and about a lot of people that have given their lives to this country?
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/who-are-these-people-morning-joe-hammers-trump-crowd-calling-for-mccains-death/
Vinca
(50,273 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I suspect Dr. Altemeyer described most of these people in his book, The Authoritarians. Studies show those people are a horrifyingly short adjustment (to a new leader's wishes, for instance) from turning on and murdering their neighbors on order.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)...on an honorable US veteran, POW and Senator. In his own backyard. Just after the warship named in honor of his father and grandfather was involved in a tragic accident at sea. Skuzzball low.
Further proof: republicans "values" are right out of the cesspool muck bottom.
Void of honor.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)While he did try to temper things a bit at times, they're still the same people. Just emboldened now by the following eight years of rhetoric.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)McCain lost that unhinged sect when he corrected that older women about Obama not being a muslum at the town hall.. he lost the chance to keep things close in the election in that moment of honesty..
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)They have always been there and have always been courted and gotten attention. It was just largely under the radar until after Clinton and the explosion of the internet.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)He acts like he was above it all when in reality he was part of the ugliness he and his colleagues brought in after their class of 94 Newt revolution.
Like you said, the same people that went after Kerry.
The same people who brought monkey dolls to McCain rallies.
The same people GWB targeted when he push polled the "McCain had a black baby out of wedlock" fake rumor.
Morning joe is full of shit.
nm
maxrandb
(15,330 posts)Just yesterday you had your head so far up Cheetolini's ass about his "presidential" address on Afghanistan that I could see your tie when Trump opened his mouth!
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Joe's just embarrassed again that Trump said the quiet things in his outdoor voice again. He'll be nestled in Trump's rectum again when Trump resumes ranting about the same enemies that Scarborough hates.
mercuryblues
(14,532 posts)Be proud.
Squinch
(50,950 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Where was the outrage when MJ was helping elect Twitler?
But her emails, right?
spanone
(135,841 posts)floWteiuQ
(82 posts)These are the people you, your party, and your media choked with lies from here to the moon. Pretending to not know or admit responsibility for it is a sick, anti-intellectual, cowardice in and of itself.
rpannier
(24,329 posts)The same types of people who wanted Rehnquist to die so Bush could appoint someone else... Pat Robertson for example
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Not to mention the "lock her up" chants for Hillary.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)Paladin
(28,262 posts)Hold your breath.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)A gang of immoral jerkoffs.
oppressedproletarian
(243 posts)What is frightening is to think that these are "everyday" people who live and work among us---our neighbors. Even our family members, in some cases--such as mine, where, regrettably, I am the only one of my family of origin who is "different", alas! At least I brought my kids up right!
Duppers
(28,125 posts)Don't forget them. Franklin Graham showed up for this hatefest.
Frickin hypocrites.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I stated more than once that it is poorly understood in our body politic just how low the "average" intelligence is in this country. Hang out at the DMV some time. I swear I want to walk up to some people and ask, "How did you find your way here?".
oppressedproletarian
(243 posts)If "average" IQ is 100, that means something like roughly half the population is "below average"? Not sure what "median" IQ would be which would be somewhat more accurate measure, I think.
And 100, average IQ, seems none too bright, from my observations.
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WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)dalton99a
(81,513 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)the question will be will impeachment start by the GOP before 2018 elections or after democrats retake congress after 2018 elections......
AllyCat
(16,188 posts)Seems to me that Joe helped create this monster, didn't he?
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)n/t
videohead5
(2,175 posts)The last few weeks she has been on the show a hand full of times.Joe has been off the show a few times also but not as much as Mika.I wonder if her mother is sick?...she just lost her dad.
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)believe it. How disgusting! The man has brain cancer! I couldn't say that about my worst enemy - not even Trump (though I may think it).
And more disgusting, because I really think these people were paid to attend, and possibly given directives. Those attendees, how shall I say it delicately...just don't look like his core base.
dlk
(11,566 posts)SweetieD
(1,660 posts)Thoughts on the John Mcain ship disaster because there are a lot of military people who post there. I honestly was shocked by the vitriol. They were saying vicious things about McCain. Calling him a coward and a traitor.
I think maybe Russian propaganda has been working on destroying McCain. These people's comments just seemed like they came out of nowhere.
To think that if McCain had become president the same people would be treating him like Saint Ronnie.
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)Oh yeah:
" Loyalty to our nation demands loyalty to one another. Love for America requires love for all of its people."
"We cannot remain a force for peace in the world if we are not at peace with each other"
" Let us make a simple promise to the men and women we ask to fight in our name, that when they return home from battle, they will find a country that has renewed the sacred bonds of love and loyalty that unite us together as one."
" let us find the courage to heal our divisions within"
Not that any of it wasn't authoritarian brainwashing, but how does he say these things, and then get to go to a rally and promote hate & divisiveness and the core base just eat it up & another idiot on tv says "he just became president" once more.
bucolic_frolic
(43,173 posts)Like daring them to do something about his deranged extreme ideas?
Cause that's what I see. 'You can't touch me!'
kacekwl
(7,017 posts)Dummys who supported this A-hole even though he showed you without question who he was. Look in the mirror Joe.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)There are pictures so let's see whose employer agrees that shouting for a Senators death is in keeping with their companies morals.
Buh Bye!
Grins
(7,217 posts)In a November 2011 Republican presidential debate Rep. Ron Paul, MD was asked a hypothetical question:
How would Ron Paul, MD and his followers handle it in their everyone-for-himself fantasy world, if a 30 year old man who had chosen not to buy insurance were to get sick and require long-term care?
Rep. Paul, MD, dissembled for a few seconds before Wolf Blitzer prompted him:
Are you saying that society should just let him die?
Before Paul could answer, the audience were heard cheering and shouting, Yeah!
Today's Republican Party!
Liberalagogo
(1,770 posts)The GOP base under Obama for one.
Also the base that you helped get into power Joey, you POS dumbass.
ecstatic
(32,705 posts)her for it. They are deplorable. Period.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)the character assasination of McCain is well under way( some of it well deserved).. it's very ironic though when you look back at 2008. Some of these were valid criticisms that were circulated on the left, some of it is new to me.. What is obvious is that McCain is no longer a dependable lockstep vote for them & this is just a pre-emptive way of pushing him to the left.. oh that RINO McCain.. lol
Sorry for the long post.. I thought some might enjoy a peak into the window of the rightwing propaganda machine in realtime;
GETTING TO KNOW THE REAL JOHN MCCAIN
By Burma Davis Posey
This is John McCain's home in Arizona. Not bad for a man who worked in the military, left the military, and then ran for Congress. He has been in Congress since 1983... for 34 years.
McCain graduated 894th in his class of 899 students from the Naval Academy! He was known for being wild and it usually revolved around women. He was a member of a group of students who called themselves "The Bad Bunch".
He married Carol Shepp who was a successful swimsuit model. She had been married to one of his classmates and had two children from her first marriage. She and McCain became parents for a daughter one year later. He had been quite a playboy and was already becoming bored with the domesticated life. He requested active duty in Vietnam. While he was there, Carol faithfully stayed at home looking after the children and waiting anxiously for news about her husband. His plane was shot down in 1967 and he became a POW.
On Christmas Eve 1969, Carol and the children were spending the holiday with her parents. After dinner she was going to take gifts to some friends. The road was icy and she slid head-on into a telephone pole. She was thrown from the car through the front window. Her legs, spine, and right arm were crushed and she was in the hospital for 6 months. Ross Perot was an advocate of POW's and he paid her medical bills. She requested that John not be told because she felt he already had enough to deal with.
McCain was released in 1973 and returned home to much fanfare. Carol had several surgeries, lost 5 inches in height, and gained some weight... McCain told reporters he was overjoyed to see Carol again. But friends say privately he was appalled by the change in her appearance.
As a war hero, McCain was moving in ever-more elevated circles. "He started carousing and running around with women.", reported Robert Timberg. Bob Timberg was a retired Marine, an American journalist, writer, and author of four books, including THE NIGHTINGALE'S SONG and JOHN MCCAIN: AN AMERICAN ODYSSEY.
McCain admitted he started having many girlfriends and affairs during this time. On one trip to Hawaii he met an Anheuser Busch distributer heiress, Cindy Hensley, at a cocktail party. She was 17 years younger than McCain and worth $100 million dollars. He invited her to have drinks with him at the Royal Hawaiian Hotel. He said by the end of the evening he was in love.
They had an affair for nine months while he was still married to and living with his wife Carol. McCain wanted to marry Cindy but needed first to get a divorce. He and Carol separated in January 1980. He requested a divorce in February, the divorce was sped along and granted in April. He and Cindy married 5 weeks after the divorce was final on May 17, 1980. Carol and their children were devastated. McCain callously left his first wife and children behind. He and Cindy moved to Arizona. Cindy's father was well-connected and helped McCain move smoothly into Congress representing Arizona in Washington DC.
McCain's new wife and her family were extravagantly wealthy. Her father was one of the largest distributors of Anheuser Busch in the country and she was an only child. The divorce settlement afforded Carol McCain full custody of their three children, alimony, child support, including college tuition, houses in Virginia and Florida, and lifelong financial support for her continuing medical treatment from the car accident.
Carol said the reason for the divorce was John turned 40 and he wanted to be 25 again. Carol was extremely hurt. She went to work as the press assistant for soon-to-be First Lady Nancy Reagan. She became loved and respected in Washington. She kept a dignified silence about the horrendous way McCain had treated her.
Some of the McCain friends were less forgiving, however. They portray the politician as a self-centred womaniser who effectively abandoned his crippled wife to play the field. They accuse him of finally settling on Cindy, a former rodeo beauty queen, for financial reasons.
Despite his popularity as a politician, there are those who have not forgotten his treatment of his first wife. Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam is now a leading campaigner for veterans rights.
Ted said, "I have been following John McCains career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is... deceit.
"When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it. Eventually he met Cindy and she was young, beautiful, and very wealthy. McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better.
"This is a guy who makes such a big deal about his character. Yet he has no character. He is a fake."
Ross Perot, who paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel, even by the standards of modern politics.
Mr. Perot said, "McCain is the classic opportunist. Hes always reaching for attention and glory.
After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona. And the rest is history.
A man who cannot be faithful to a loving, self-sacrificing wife cannot be trusted to be faithful to the American people.
Cindy has also had to learn the lessons about her husband the hard way. Even though she and McCain put on a perfect front for the public, especially when he is running for office, she really is an invisible wife to him.
Tom Gosinski, who served as director of Cindy McCains nonprofit American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT) wrote in his journal about the McCain marriage:
"During my short tenure at AVMT I have been surrounded by what on the surface appears to be the ultimate all-American family. In reality, I am working for a very sad, lonely woman. Her marriage of convenience to a U.S. Senator has driven her to distance herself from friends, cover feelings of despair with drugs, and replace lonely moments with self-indulgences. She became addicted to Percocet and had a doctor prescribing them for her illegally. When her parents learned she was taking them, they helped her stop.
Washington rumors were saying McCain had an inappropriate relationship with the young and lovely lobbyist, Vicki Iseman. Ms. Iseman began visiting McCain's offices and campaign events so frequently in 2000 that his aides were "convinced the relationship had become romantic". One staff member supposedly asked, "Why is she always around?" His staff members began a campaign to "save McCain from himself" by restricting Iseman's access to McCain during the course of the 2000 presidential primary. According to the Washington Post, McCain's political advisor John Weaver met with Iseman at Washington's Union Station to tell Iseman not to see McCain anymore.
It is not a real marriage between John and Cindy McCain. Real marriages usually involve living together. McCain and Cindy have not "lived" together for 20 years. To defend this, McCain brags the family takes two vacations together every year and Ms. McCain is the one who has always made that happen."
Two vacations per year...What a farse and fake!! Nothing about this man is real. He has no compassion or empathy for anyone except himself. The only real thing emotion he is capable of is anger. He is famous for his anger.
His father and grandfather were both decorated Navy Admirals. He was given special privileges and extreme preferential treatment while he served in the Navy. He was a pilot but according to his colleagues he was a very bad pilot. He actually crashed three planes. There was a horrendous incident that happened on his aircraft carrier, the U.S.S. Forrestal, that killed 134 men. There has been a debate since the incident with some being convinced John McCain was responsible for this accident. Others are angry about anyone who would dare speak against a Naval officer and embarrass an entire branch of service.
Many witnesses have reported that McCain was guilty of a "wet start". When a pilot wants to be a show off, with a "wet start" his engine start creates a large startling flame and lots of surprise noise from the rear of a jet engine on start up. McCain did the "Wet Start". It was not an accident. The flames from the wet start torched off the launching of a powerful Zuni rocket on the plane behind him. The Zuni rockets were famous for having electrical problems. It shot across the carriers deck hitting other parked planes that were packing 1,000 high-explosive pound bombs. This caused the bombs to explode. The subsequent massive explosions, fire and destruction went several decks below and nearly sunk this major 82,000 ton U.S. aircraft carrier.
This stunt and aftermath caused the death of 134 sailors and blew off arms, legs, and caused blindness and burns to another 161 sailors. McCain jumped from his plane, rolled across the flames, and escaped. He watched the men dying and the burning from a closed circuit television on the ship. Sadly all of those lives were lost.
They had to take the ship off the battle line for 2 years when it had to be taken back to port for $76 million dollars of extensive repairs. That does not include the cost of replacing the airplanes or ammunition.
Other Navy pilots causing this type of death and destruction would have been arrested and would probably still be in prison. Why didn't this happened to John McCain?
McCain's grandfather was a famous FOUR STAR Navy admiral and his dad, at the time of the incident, was also a powerful illustrious FOUR STAR Navy admiral. McCain had graduated from the Naval Academy. Witnesses say the good ole boy Navy tradition went into high gear immediately. McCain was not even repremanded. When there is a cover-up, the soldier is usually simply assigned to another ship. McCain was quietly assigned to another ship. There is an ongoing debate about the incident to this day.
John McCain's lack of character was further demonstrated when he voted not to repeal Obamacare. He had run his 2016 Senatorial race under the banner he would LEAD the fight to repeal Obamacare. He hates Donald Trump so very much he gleefully held his thumb down for his vote rather than a thumbs up. He laughed afterwards and said, "Let's see Donald Trump save America now!"
What a horrible man. He stabbed his constituents and the citizens of America in the back. Liberal socialists now call him their hero.
McCain has recently discovered he has a brain tumor. I am genuinely sorry for anyone who has to face a health issue especially when it involves cancer. Thankfully for him the doctors have said it is curable. The fact that he now has a brain tumor does not change the horrendous things he has done in his life because of his extremely low flawed character.
If Senator McCain's own health care was dependent on the Obamacare he has continued to saddle the American people with, I guarantee he would not have voted thumbs-down. But because he married a wealthy heiress and has plenty of money to take care of his own health needs, he does not care.
What a guy... what a guy!
still_one
(92,209 posts)believe President Obama is not an American, and is of the Muslim faith.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)But these are the emails that are getting passed around by Cons these days..
still_one
(92,209 posts)observation that the republicans seem to be eating their own, which I hope is true
raven mad
(4,940 posts)And I'm insulting pond scum there. The man is certifiable, and his followers prove they, too, need heavy medication.