17 sailors dead

[SHRED]

3 frontline warships down.

Can you imagine the uproar if this happened under Obama?

[ginnyinWI]

1. Donnie doesn't care, either.

Not his problem. Let the generals fix it. He's too busy watching cable news and screaming at the TV.

[longship]

3. Admirals, not generals. nt

[gratuitous]

22. Admirals, generals, what's the difference?

Donny don't give a shit. He's like honey badger that way.

[longship]

30. Indeed. You may be correct. But in the navy there are still no generals.

[larwdem]

2. left wing media (bullshit)

They would have blamed him weeks of outrage

[progressoid]

4. Are you kidding? This is Obama's fault.

He let the military fall into disrepair!!11!

[dixiegrrrrl]

5. 3 ships down?????

how does that even happen?

[Warpy]

6. They run the Navy Report on a local station

(which seems odd, given that the state is desert and landlocked, but there are a lot of military folks here) and said that there had been 4 collisions in the area. Having 3 ships needing major repairs doesn't surprise me at all. The fourth is probably undergoing more minor repairs.

Considering the last one was hit just a hair aft of admidships, it seems clear both crews were paying attention to the GPS and neither ship took the proper action to avoid a collision.

Obviously, this is insane.

[dixiegrrrrl]

9. I have been hearing warnings about hackability of GPS

But had no idea of 4 collisions.....
Gonna be interesting what develops with the investigation.

[Old Vet]

19. There is something VERY wrong going on here,

IMO This is a terrible state sponsored hack of some sort. Somethings going on here, Some cloak and dagger shit.

[malaise]

28. There's a report on the previous collision

It was scathing

[Kaleva]

10. GPS doesn't provide info on other ships in the area.

For that, you need radar, eyes along with voice and visual communications .

[Warpy]

11. Exactly, but they're relying on GPS data about position and speed

on other ships, as well, and seem to be skipping the visual, especially. I can think of no other reasons for a nearly dead center collision.

[Kaleva]

12. But GPS doesn't provide position and speed of other ships

It only provides your own position.

[dixiegrrrrl]

29. Well, time travel would plop ship suddenly in the path of another one.

I try to keep an open mind......

[uponit7771]

13. By now they should be setting watch in these waters, seems like traffic is at all time high

[TheBlackAdder]

16. Arleigh-Burke destroyers can track a hundred targets. There is no excuse for two A-B accidents.

.

If anyone thinks the US is keeping track of ships and subs... this completely disproves that myth.

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[liberalla]

21. See post 20 below

[TheBlackAdder]

36. That GPS excuse is complete bunk, and is something that needs to be put to bed!

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GPS assists in navigation and is uses as one of several methods which cross-check on each other. Sure, a complete moron can set their ship to use GPS for autopilot, but no warship commander in their right mind would so so, even the relief crew. Even then, they are still charged with maintaining traffic separation.


You have gyroscopic navigation, magnetic, GPS, radio navigation and visual navigation. These ships have anti-collision radar, proximity detectors, and other devices to maintain contact with other ships.


These warships can outmaneuver almost every other ship in the theater, and can out run them. This places them as the ones who yield to other traffic, especially slow moving cargo vessels.

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[liberalla]

20. Was listening to first hour of Randi Rhodes today, and she's heard a theory/rumor that

Russia is behind it - hacking and spoofing the GPS location to cause the collisions. I don't have any more info, but thought it might add to this topic... Something's up.

[Warpy]

23. It would more likely be China, I think, or even Indonesia

but obviously, policies and procedures in the Navy have got to change.

[liberalla]

25. So hard believing we've had four oopsies in relatively quick succession...

I hope they get to the bottom of it soon.

[MFM008]

7. Maggot didnt

Even have time to slip that into his gibberish today.

[SHRED]

8. He's disrespectful

Like so many are.

[greytdemocrat]

14. Someone needs to kick some ass

This number and the short time in between
is ridiculous.

[WinkyDink]

15. "That's too bad."

[Weekend Warrior]

17. .

[Orrex]

18. Obama would have been impeached

But Trump? Well...

Lather, rinse, repeat.

[NastyRiffraff]

24. "That's too bad"

Dump's inspirational statements about the loss of life on the USS John McCain.

[stopbush]

26. tRump likes sailors who don't get killed.

[BittyJenkins]

27. I was just talking with my son about that a bit ago

There has been silence, just the sterile mention that it happened...look the other way.

If it had been Obama it would have been his fault and they would have paraded sad families and pictures of coffins in front of the cameras. He would have been called a failure as a commander and chief and the media would have dogged him to admit it.

If this happened because of hacking computer systems on the warships it is very frightening, just like our 2016 but with major loss of life. We need to admit it so we can deal with it.

[milestogo]

31. Benghazi - birth certificate - email server - pizzagate

There's even an uproar over fake stuff.

[Bradshaw3]

32. At least Drumpf tweeted and talked about it in Phoenix, oh wait

No he didn't tweet about it multipe times or mention it. Wonder what excuse all the drumpf voting military members and their families would make form this?

[KY_EnviroGuy]

33. Heartbreaking.

Our sympathies and thoughts go out to the families of those we lost, and our support goes to the others on those ships and the entire 7th Fleet.

Their web site: http://www.c7f.navy.mil/

This is bound to hurt the morale of our military personnel and their families. This is the time we need leaders that provide a strong demonstration of ultimate respect for those lost, love and support for those still suffering, positive indications of coming changes to prevent this from reoccurring, and reaffirmation of our resolve to other world leaders.


The world is watching, Donald.

[MLAA]

34. Rest In Peace, brave sailors.

[leanforward]

35. Lets think of the families, first.

Now, your in command/duty officer of the ship. Shouldn't that person also be a critical thinker? What were they thinking, cutting across the headway of another vessel? Aircraft have collision avoidance.
I've not read anywhere any actions that were taken by either quartermaster/OOD or the bridge of the tanker.
Several years back I saw a frigate squat and scoot after UNPLEN (spelling). But that was a skipper at the helm, after sounding the horn. Did this happen? In a lot of aviation accidents there is a progression of errors. ? ?
We are missing something here.
Situational awareness.