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(51,627 posts)dhill926
(16,355 posts)Mister Ed
(5,943 posts)Neither should Confederate General Lee.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Granted, he was going to help overthrow Hitler and was forced to kill himself, but he was a NAZI, you idiot Geraldo. Lee, yea, he was a traitor. Geez.
BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)But that doesn't excuse the fact he took up arms to do the party's business and had a close relationship with Hitler.
And it's also not settled business among historians if Rommel ever even knew about the bomb plot which if true would pretty much destroy the idea that he was some sort of dogooder who finally saw the light.
Lee may be worse though. He was a traitor. He took up arms against the US. He was also a slave owner who was known to be highly abusive to his "property". There was an excellent piece in The Atlantic posted here recently that cut the Lee mythology down to size.
procon
(15,805 posts)As I recall, Rommel did most of his own tarnishing, it can't be blamed an anyone else.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)TheOther95Percent
(1,035 posts)He was complicit and he was a fucking NAZI. Rommel's Afrikakorp had the same units devoted to mass murder of Jews as the Wehrmacht had in Eastern Europe and Russia.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/world-war-ii-new-research-taints-image-of-desert-fox-rommel-a-484510.html
SS Unit Created to Kill Jews in North Africa
Behind the front line of Rommel's Afrikakorps, a special unit was created in July 1942 to to plan the murder of Jews in the region. It was led by SS Obersturmbannführer, or Lieutenant Colonel, Walther Rauff, an experienced mass murderer who helped develop the mobile gassing vehicles the Germans used to murder Jewish people in their campaign in eastern Europe and the Soviet Union.
Rauff and his men were empowered to "take executive measures against the civilian population", Nazi jargon for robbery, murder and enslavement.
The Jews of Palestine were spared that fate. In October 1942 the Allies halted the German advance at the Egyptian town of El Alamein and thereby destroyed the myth of Rommel's invincibility. The Desert Fox had to evacuate his beaten army to Tunisia, back where his African campaign began.
The SS had established a network of labor camps in Tunisia. More than 2,500 Tunisian Jews died in six months of German rule, and the regular army was also involved in executions.
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)and then we discovered some of them were getting bonus checks from the government? Well, I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing was happening.
Kleveland
(1,257 posts)Maybe the God Damned Nazis have a secret basement you can open up on national TV.
Blue Owl
(50,494 posts)n/t
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peggysue2
(10,839 posts)What about the blood of 600,000+ fellow Americans, not to mention the countless lives of African slaves that Lee fought to keep in bondage?
As for Rommel? Ask the remaining WWII vets how 'untarnished' Rommel was. Or conjure up the ghosts of 6 million Jews or the spirits of gypsies, the disabled, political dissidents, etc., etc., etc. Have a seance and ask them all what they think of Rommel and all the other educated, civilized men and women who embraced the Nazi horror.
There's nothing glorious about embracing evil. There's nothing honorable in making excuses for it either.
Stinky The Clown
(67,818 posts)Leith
(7,813 posts)That he would be considered subhuman to both of those generals.
nolabear
(41,991 posts)That shit is unacceptable, if Faux wants to keep pretending they have any standards.