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This is just not my week for old haunts.
I was born in Virginia, am there now. Barcelona was my home town for a while when I was a teenager. I still have friends there, speak Catalan, and still run down there once a month on the average. When I'm there, I'm at the Rambla for at least part of the day. This area is the beating heart of the Catalan identity. Not Spanish, specifically Catalan.
I have no idea what these bottom-dwellers-from-a-toxic-waste-dump think they're doing, trying to kill Catalans, who are among the most tolerant people of the Iberian peninsula. They have taken in immense numbers of people from Islamic countries, from Morocco to Pakistan. From the café waiters from North Africa to the Pakistanis hawking overpriced trinkets to tourists in the Plaça de la Catedral, I've never seen the local cops harass any of them. If Christians or Jews started doing this in Riyadh, Islamabad or Qom, we'd never hear the end of it, but of course, they don't.
I haven't yet talked to my friends there. The statistical chances of any of them having been in the wrong place at the wrong time is small, but already too big. It makes no difference if the perp is from Ohio or Morocco. The extremist religious right calls them heroes in both cases. This is a step and a half away from blowing up my wife in our back yard. Quelling the rage is becoming a challenge that is extremely difficult to master.
The driver of the van, you will notice, fled instead of facing his victims. How courageous. From Ohio, by any chance?
tblue37
(65,488 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Very sad news.
tblue37
(65,488 posts)Barcelona and the people there are incredible.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)to make it's passing as painful as possible for the Secular West.
We are decades away from the end of the terror Bush the Lesser unleashed by invading Iraq.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)kosher restaurant. Unless they were Jewish Catalans - that's not who they were aiming for.
DFW
(54,443 posts)After Franco, many Ladinos of the Diaspora returned to Spain from North Africa and Turkey. Although the Ladino language of the diaspora is nearly unchanged from the Medieval Castilian their ancestors spoke, the generations that were born and went to school in Catalunya grew up as Catalans like everyone else.
Plus, some Jews from other regions around the Mediterranean have opened restaurants in Barcelona simply because the huge influx of tourists made it an economically wise decision to do so. This isn't unique to Spain. One of the coolest places my wife and I ate at in Hungary was a Jewish Hummus parlor. After the mass roundups and deportations of 1944, there were hardly any Jews left alive in Hungary, but their community there today, while still tiny, is thriving.
It isn't inconceivable that a Kosher restaurant located on the Rambla is exactly what they were aiming for. The perps haven't been interrogated yet, but I'm sure that they will have no small amount of pride in their actions, and won't hesitate to brag about it, and thus give up what their objective was, above and beyond hurting people, which seems to be the common denominator from Spain to Spotsylvania.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)They got one of them alive (perhaps more, I'm a bit behind in this news) - hopefully they'll get the info out of him..
DFW
(54,443 posts)It was during the end of the fascist era, so no school classes under University level were allowed in Catalan. No daily newspapers or TV programs, either. So, of course, it only reinforced the resolve of the ethnic Catalans to preserve their language and culture. Written texts in Catalan pre-date written texts in Castilian by about a century.
Despite the dictatorship, it seemed to know that with Franco's advanced age, it was on its last legs. Only years after Franco's death did his successor, King Juan Carlos admit that Franco had told him before he died that he (Juan Carlos) would be able to do many things that Franco never could. Franco was evil, but not stupid, and he realized times had changed, and Spain would too. The country he took over in 1939 was gone, and a far different one was there in 1975. Always considered the "industrious (for lack of a better word)" ethnic people of the Iberian peninsula, the Catalans usually fared better economically than other parts of the Iberian Peninsula, and for this reason attracted much more concentrated immigration than other areas. A minor modern exception is the area around Gibraltar and Málaga, where many arrivals from North Africa choose to settle in order to be not too far from "home."
Though now proudly spoken everywhere in Catalonia, by native Catalan and immigrant alike, Catalan has never been a language many people from outside the area take pains to learn. Unlike other small European regions, such as the Netherlands (South Africa, Surinam, Indonesia, e.g.) or Portugal (Goa, Macao, Mozambique, Angola, Brazil), Catalunya, legally a part of Spain rather than a country unto itself, never had its own large overseas areas of colonial domination, and therefore Catalan never became a "world" language. Because of that, however, any outsider with no pressing need to learn Catalan, and who does so anyway, is considered a friend for life, a status I proudly maintain (and that's why this hits so close to home--because for a while it WAS my home).
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I get the same way when a terrorist hits someplace that's close to my heart also. All too frequent these last few years.
DFW
(54,443 posts)I'm in both Brussels and Paris usually at least three times a month for work. You can imagine what a last few years I've had.
and wow - I think I would need Xanax by now. We have far more security around in NYC but like in both those cities, life goes on and this is the reality at this point in time. Please be careful.
DFW
(54,443 posts)But I have painted myself into a corner jobwise. Great job security, since we haven't found anyone else who meets the job requirements, but it also means I have the same punishing schedule at 65 that I had at 40. But look at it this way, at least I won't die of boredom.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)in spite of the headaches of air travel these day, then you're a lucky person. I hope when you're in these fabulous cities you get a chance to relax and act the tourist every now and again.
DFW
(54,443 posts)I almost never notice any more. But in some places that geography (e.g. Barcelona, Zürich, Stockholm) or history (e.g. Prague, Budapest, Paris, Utrecht) has favored, I do occasionally just stop, sit my ass down somewhere, order coffee and just take in the view. I could have taken a desk job somewhere in the States and taken it easy, but I wouldn't trade this job for anything, stress and all. I speak all the languages of the countries I visit (except for Czech and Hungarian) I frequent, so I'm pretty much at home in all of them.
Air travel sucks nowadays, but I travel mostly by train if the trip is 5 hours each way or less. I got to be platinum for life on Air France just by commuting between Düsseldorf and Paris, but when the Thalys train system was introduced, who needs it? It is now only 3¾ hours city center to city center, and I don't have to change trains. I can't even remember the last time I flew to Berlin. The fast trains in Europe--WHEN they run--are wonderful. The frequent breakdowns, strikes, weather-caused detours and suicides sometimes cause massive delays just when it it is the most inconvenient.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)to invest BIG in high speed trains. I used to fly between London and Paris back in the day and now the Eurostar is so much better. Don't have to deal with people feeling me up at the airport (I must be a dead ringer for some very not nice woman because I ALWAYS get stopped for extra treatment - last month vacationed in Greece and was even checked for explosives and had to lift up my shirt). High speed trains is a wonderful way to travel.
Will you retire in Europe (assuming you'll eventually retire)?
DFW
(54,443 posts)At both ends, they have security like in the airports. In Paris, they even have airport-like security at the track for some international trains. The route to Brussels and on to either Amsterdam or Düsseldorf now has metal detectors and x-ray baggage checks on the track before you can board. A couple of years ago, a member of one of the Islamic cells in Brussels boarded a train in Brussels headed for Paris. In his duffel bag, he had a loaded assault rifle he was going to use to kill as many passengers on the train. After the train started moving, by chance, a small group of off-duty American soldiers traveling in the same car spotted him taking the rifle out, and jumped him before he could kill anyone, though he did get a couple of shots off. A few minor wounds, but no life-threatening wounds. Brussels now has a large military presence at their train stations, too, though no metal detectors or x-ray machines. Earlier this year, they killed some brainwashed kid with an explosives belt before he could detonate it in one of the Brussels train stations. It's spooky seeing armed groups of young soldiers carrying huge assault rifles at train stations, but no spookier than getting an arm or a leg blown off because they weren't there.
I usually get no shit any more from immigration or customs, although in my new "home" airport of Düsseldorf, I recently got stopped by some idiot customs inspector who demanded, in English, the reason for my visit to Germany. I said I had a very good reason for visiting, namely that I lived there, and showed him my German version of a green card. He then nastily said that if I lived in Germany, I must learn to speak German. I said I did speak German. He then switched to German and asked why I didn't speak German from the beginning. I pointed out that HE was the one who started out speaking English, and that I wasn't about to order a German uniform to switch languages. Living in Europe has its good points, of course, but they have this system where many government employees are tenured for life, including cops and customs officers. They know that they can harass anyone they want as much as they want and nothing will ever happen to them, so many of them do just that.
Whether or not I retire in Europe or not depends on several factors. My wife's mom is the only parent of our four that is still alive, and for her it is out of the question leaving Germany as long her mom is still there. Her mom speaks only German and is not about to move at age 90 (next month). Most of her friends are there, too. On the other hand, my entire retirement savings is in a Roth IRA in the States which I converted before I switched my residence to Germany. This means I paid the taxes in advance and what is left in the fund is mine free and clear--under U.S. law. The Germans are refusing to honor that or the double-taxation treaty that says they have to honor that, and want 50% of it the second I take out the first dollar. And here we all thought "Enteignung" ended with the end of World War II. So that may force me to move, as I don't want to spend half my retirement selling pencils on the streets of Düsseldorf.
Anyway, I'm only 65, so I don't envision retiring for another 20 years anyway.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)and at 50%? No, just no. People work too hard for that. 90 years old- if she's still all there, is such a blessing. She's seen so much. I did go through security on the trains but it didn't feel nearly as intrusive AND I didn't have to arrive 2+ hours ahead of time. Flying simply sucks these days.
This has been such a stressful week - torch bearing nazis in the streets, our president seemingly not giving a crap, more turmoil with White House staff, Barcelona. I'm just staying home on this Saturday, the world has to spin without me today.
It's been nice getting to know you. Is there any way you can get Angela to teach Donnie how to lead a country?
DFW
(54,443 posts)With his attention span, he would have forgotten it 30 seconds later.
My mom-in-law has all her marbles, and has LOTS of stories to tell. She was by far the youngest of the children in her family. She lost three brothers in the war, and clearly remembers having to dive into ditches while walking to school while avoiding British fighter-bombers on strafing runs. Unfortunately for her, she is starting to lose her vision, is down to maybe 20%, a tragedy for someone who used to read extensively.
The week seems to be ending on a positive note, with the far right being surrounded by about half the population of a hostile city that clearly is not buying what they're selling. Bannon's departure from Washington may just end being like Obi Wan Kenobi's "death" in the first Star Wars film--"cut me down and I'll just become more powerful than you ever imagined."
It is too soon to know what, if any, changes will come to Barcelona, but initial reactions I have had from my friends there indicate they are quickly returning to life as if it had never happened. No one has forgotten, of course, but there definitely seems to be an attitude of "we like our way of life, and you will not force us to change it." The fact that several bad guys, including (seemingly) the death van's driver, were killed, and others planning a bombing blew themselves up instead, give some hope that at least this cell is gone. There will be others, no one doubts that.
The tax thing is being studied by tax lawyers and German courts. We'll see, but the Nazis grabbed whatever those few of my distant relatives left in Central Europe in the 1930s had, and then killed them. The death penalty has been abolished in Germany in the meantime. I will not allow the confiscation of my retirement nest egg by the Nazis' descendants, a decision my wife fully understands. The Nazis drafted her father off his farm at age 17 and sent him home from Stalingrad a year later minus most of one leg. She has no patience for their mentality, either.
As an American citizen, I still vote in the USA, but my wife, who has voted SPD and/or Green all her life, finds herself in the awkward position of realizing that the most competent leader for Germany in the upcoming election is Angela Merkel, no matter what party she is from. My wife turned 65 this year, and her pension/social security of 900 (no, I didn't leave off a zero) a month doesn't exactly go far. "Ethnic Germans" coming in from Russia and Poland, speaking little to no German, sometimes get three or four times as much. In Germany, like in the USA, voters can split their ticket. She still votes SPD or Green on the local level, but she is tempted to vote for Merkel's party on the national level for the first time. The SPD is really run like an "old boys' club," and they always suppress their female talent. In Ingrid Mattäus-Meier, the SPD had a perfectly capable finance expert who should have been their chancellor candidate a couple of decades ago. She was really sharp, and I liked her plenty. But she was the wrong gender. Their current candidate for chancellor is a somewhat charismatic (for a change), but otherwise typical "there-for-life" bureaucrat who has never done a productive day's work in 30 years--a glorified paper pusher. Merkel has adopted a clever election strategy--she never mentions him or anything he says. He can't refute any of her criticism of him because she never has any. She's just acting like he isn't there. As a life-long bureaucrat, he might as well not be (see "France, Hollande" . He has one slogan, "mehr Gerechtigkeit (more justice)," which usually means exactly nothing other than "trust us to spend money more wisely than you would." Germany already has a 40 billion budget surplus this year. The country is furiously debating what to do with it, but the bureaucrats are obviously more than willing to spend a good portion of it on themselves, as bureaucrats in Europe inevitably do.
imanamerican63
(13,815 posts)I was aw to see the city, but the people were very polite. Sad that they have to deal with such a tragic event. My prayers goes out to the victims and people who were affected by this terrorist attack.
DFW
(54,443 posts)I have already talked to a Catalan friend over there. They are understandably shaken, having been spared this kind of act up to now.
Solly Mack
(90,787 posts)isn't contained by borders.
Hate knows no boundaries but neither does love - and that we need to always remember.
DFW
(54,443 posts)I know that only too well.
Solly Mack
(90,787 posts)big love is.
I wish more people understood that.
DFW
(54,443 posts)That would be too easy, wouldn't it?
Solly Mack
(90,787 posts)Or so my mom always said.
DFW
(54,443 posts)Difficult to come by, for some reason.