Trump has a "tell" when he's lying and we just saw it

[bluepen]

as he read the remarks about Charlottesville.

I first noticed this a few months ago, so I started paying closer attention when he's saying something he clearly doesn't want to, but feels pressured to.

The "tell": It's his breathing. He purses his lips and inhales sharply and audibly through his nose.

Watch the remarks again (if you can stomach it). Notice when that breathing oddity occurs. It's when he mentions the KKK and white supremacy.

Each of us on this site knows he didn't want to do what he just did. But the proof -- the physiological proof, proof that's undeniable to anyone who knows anything about the psychology of body language -- is right there for all to see.

He agrees with them. He stands with them.

And considering this came on Day Three after the violence, he has already provided the white supremacist Nazis with his approval. Now they'll just say he had to do this and that he's still with them. And they're right.

[LongTomH]

1. His 'tell' is that his lips are moving!!!!!

A sure sign that he's lying!

[bitterross]

10. That was my EXACT SAME first thought!

His lips are moving - he's lying. It's pathological. He can't help himself.

[bellmartin]

16. I think Bluepen's mostly right, though. The breathing's a tell for when he's worried he'll be caught

He lies so often and so blithely that usually he doesn't know or care about whether or not he'll be found out. When it's something like this, though, a carefully premeditated lie that he thinks he might get in trouble for if he's caught, he acts a bit more like a normal human being, "telling" that he's worried about this one.

[GentryDixon]

27. Mine too.

He lies with such ease.

[Eliot Rosewater]

28. You make it too complicated, his tell is he is breathing, period.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. I don't think Trump is even aware of lying, since he does so much of it.

I think those signs of stress arose from his anger at having to say something he didn't want to say. He knew he had to cave to all the pressure he was getting and hated having to do it.

[progressoid]

12. Yep. n/t

[Eliot Rosewater]

29. He is literally a sociopath, people need to understand that.

If saying 30 million undocumented people voted in the election helped his cause, he says it instantly without blinking.

He is also a psychopath once removed, in that while he personally wont kill you and me, he will gladly faciliate the death of BILLIONS if it results in profit for himself or getting rid of Mueller.

BILLIONS.

Anybody disagree with me?

[FuzzyRabbit]

36. He doesn't even think about the effects on anyone else.

He thinks only of himself. If a decision will help him, that's as far as he thinks. He doesn't consider the effects on anyone else.

So yes, if he facilitates the death of billions he will do it if it benefits him, but he will be totally unaware that he caused those deaths.

[Earth Bound Misfit]

3. I agree.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9400195

[Duppers]

15. Good catch.

[world wide wally]

4. Some people refer to talking as "bullshitting"

Trump lies so much (whenever he talks) that he renders new meaning to talking = bullshitting under any circumstances.

[Cadfael]

5. You're right: If he's breathing

he's lying.

[lindysalsagal]

33. If his lips are moving

Really very simple.

[Cadfael]

38. Yeah, you're right

He probably can't even think silently without moving his lips.....

[Generic Other]

6. Good catch but I would add this pattern too

He always lies first and then revises, and then reverts to his real views later. So he started condemning left on Saturday, revised to tell the truth today, and I predict will reverse tomorrow.

But I had not been looking at his fat mug to draw this conclusion because of the weak stomach thing.

I appreciate the fact you risked having nightmares to watch the body language, bluepen! You deserve a medal for your sacrifice.

[gordianot]

26. That most certainly is Trump's pattern with one slight addition.

After he makes some revision he will then find someone to blame. The scapegoat may or may not be someone directly linked to the cause of modifying the statement.

[Generic Other]

40. Is this what the people who did pograms sounded like on Easter Sunday?

I don't really know but they did rail against their Jewish neighbors like clockwork working themselves up with lies, then blaming, then attacking in a hate-filled frenzy. Trump studied up on Hitler according to his first wife. And went to the Wharton School where he learned propaganda (marketing). The scapegoating thing is purely part of the pattern as you say. How many times has he branded HRC as "crooked." It is the only word many associate with her. I bet most on DU associate his lies with the word when he uses it on her. His lies and propaganda are the foundation of all else.

[gordianot]

46. Scapegoating is a very old strategy many different politicians last century embraced it.

We are undergoing a revival from a new master.

[Generic Other]

48. They honed this technique then during the Cold War

Why do we place any trust in our leaders anymore? I say this having called all my blue state Senators and Representative today. I waver between cynicism and outright distrust.

[gordianot]

49. Those who relied on scapegoating ended up with a lot of blood on their hands.

[Moostache]

7. He's been doing that forever...

I took it to be a sign of his cocaine use and habit damaging his nasal passages...I am pretty sure that flushed, unnatural appearance of his and his labored attempts to control his mucous membranes is the result of him having a bump or two before giving these appearances that he finds distasteful and forced on him.

He sure looks like a drug-addled racist son-of-a-bitch to me....and that's BEFORE I see video of this recent speech...

[Tommy_Carcetti]

8. You mean this?

Remember all that "sniffing" during the debates?

[SethH]

9. it's a literal dog whistle

we just hear him inhaling, the alt right hears "I'm still with you".

[kimbutgar]

11. The actor who plays him on the Prsident show was on the View said the same thing

He talks slowly and breaths heavily when he is not into what he is saying. He looks almost tortured. No animation monotone voice.

[Rollo]

19. He had another classic tell: blinking...

It looks like he was well-rehearsed in this speech and managed to control his blinking, but he still blinked more than normal - in particular at the end when he said the constitution guarantees all people are equal under the law.

Clearly he doesn't believe much of what he had to say, but he knew he had to say it to stay in office. Eventually he'll slip up again and the whole charade will repeat, over and over, until he's gone.


.

[flibbitygiblets]

30. I've noticed the blinking too, he does it more when he's prevaricating

Regarding the sniffing, I first thought it was cocaine as well, but given his brother's alcoholism (and subsequent abstinence) and his aversion to anything "counterculture", it doesn't seem likely. More likely is a food allergy. Given his notoriously unhealthy diet, it's likely that after indulging, he experiences swelling and drainage, hence the sniffing and heavy breathing.

[Scarsdale]

13. I will never

view him as president. He is not intelligent, sympathetic, wprthy of respect. He s laughable as president, completely out of place. He is uncouth, low class, out of his depth in EVERY way. The gop have to OWN this useless bastard for the rest of their tenure. What a disgusting, disgraceful, total disaster this piss poor excuse for a human being is. Words fail to really describe how completely upset I am that THIS represents the US.

[3catwoman3]

37. He has no redeeming qualities.

Not.A.Single.One!

[Generic Other]

41. You said it!

He makes Bush look like Albert Einstein (within a 100 IQ points anyway).

[NRaleighLiberal]

14. Dog whistles - codes - call it what you will, but the delay told them they were all off the hook.

A foul game is being played by the trumpers - and decent people in the US are the ones getting gamed.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

17. Trump learned from father. Father attended KKK rally. Both consented to stop racist HOUSING. Twice

In the 1970s, Trump and his father both agreed to a consent decree to stop their racist housing policies in New York City.

Twice.

They lied the first time and did not stop.

[Rollo]

20. Donald's father Fred was also arrested when he was 20 at a near riot between the KKK and police....

It was in Queens in 1927.

The hate runs deep in the Trump family.



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[Generic Other]

42. Has this family ever had taste in ties?

Looks like old Fred stole a tie off a dead clown. Sorry for my stupid comment, but really.

[Duppers]

18. Great observation.

I cannot watch or listen him speak for many reasons.

One trivial reason is his twitching. Those shoulder swings and mini-shrugs drive me nuts.
Those must mean something?

[Raven123]

21. The sniffling is reminiscent of one of the debates with Hillary.

It is clear that he was not comfortable with the speech, which is a little hard to figure since he spent most of it talking about law and order, and little talking about the threat of alt right groups to our democracy. Could it be he doesn't see it?

[pansypoo53219]

22. and the whitists know he is on their side.

[hamsterjill]

23. Yes, you're absolutely correct. I've noticed that as well.

A very definite tell.

He was forced to give the speech today and he knows that his base will understand that it's not REALLY about them.

[xxqqqzme]

24. I have noticed the same thing

I was telling a friend about a while back. I first noticed his lips. Then his breathing. His lips 'pouching' is extremely exaggerated. Once you see it, it actually becomes comical. You can mute him and know when he lies by watching his lips and breathing.

[William Seger]

25. That's why breathing is one of the things measured by a polygraph

A change in breathing pattern is a sign of stress (which might or might not be caused by lying, which is why a polygraph should really be called a "stress detector" ).

[Lyricalinklines]

31. He did the same thing when he finally made remarks about the May attack/stabbing in Portland...

...and he uses the same terminology and evasive position stance as well.

[Jopin Klobe]

32. "He agrees with them. He stands with them." ...

... It's a cornerstone of the God damned family business ...

[SoCalDem]

34. I noticed that during the campaign debates..n/t

[Justice]

35. Just like when he was forced to admit Obama born

In U.S.

Need video array of these moments. Would be powerful.

Would educate public on what to look for when he seals - detect lies when not so easy to prove.

[Generic Other]

44. I could try this but would need help identifying the best moments

He always tells his base how he really feels, it seems. Is that our baseline so to speak?

[NYETNYET]

39. I did see a fairly recent 'truth'

It was good cake...

[nadine_mn]

43. he lies all the time: the tell pops up when he doesn't believe it

most of the time he could pass a lie detector because he truly believes his lies

but when he does that weird breathing thing - he knows he is lying

[Ilsa]

45. The other Tell is when he is saying what he really thinks.

It happens while he is reading a prepared statement. Then he ad libs what he is really thinking, and it detracts from the authority and eticality of the written statement.

[kydo]

47. I always thought his *tell* was when his mouth was moving.

But yeah the breathing is the smoking gun. It was there for everyone to see in the debates. He lies before that. Its just the get really bad that's what the breathing is giving away. "Whoa mamma this lie is going to be a big one," then the coke breathing starts.