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mcar

(42,372 posts)
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 04:51 PM Aug 2017

Pierce: THIS IS THE BLEAKEST MOMENT FOR AMERICA IN MY LIFETIME

A long read but well worth it.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a56979/charlottesville-donald-trump-republican/

...So when anybody, especially the president*, talks about what happened in Charlottesville, Virginia, over the weekend, from the Citronella Putsch on Friday night, to the violence on Saturday morning, to the graphic fulfillment of the philosophy behind these lunatic laws on Saturday afternoon, tells you that what happened in Virginia has anything to do with "polarization," or that it is a problem equally shared by Both Sides, that person is trying preemptively to pick history's pockets....

The modern conservative movement—born of the Goldwater campaign, nurtured by millions of dollars from corporations and rightwing sugar daddies, sold day after day on millions of radios and on its own TV network—shoved the Republican Party right where it was dying to go anyway. These were institutions whose job it was to isolate this encroaching dementia from afflicting our politics in general...

Anyone who followed the presidential campaign saw this coming. Frankly, I'm surprised there wasn't more of it. Every Trump rally came with an implied promise of some kind of violence. Sometimes, the promise was fulfilled. Sometimes it wasn't. But it was the dark energy behind that whole campaign. For all the relentless chin-stroking about the economically anxious and forgotten white working class, and for all the prayerful coverage of Donald Trump's "populist" appeal, there was no question what was driving events on the Republican side.

We now know what the reaction will be if the institutions of government, and the people in them, get so sickened by this administration that they act to rid the country of it. Is there any doubt that a president* who, after the events of this weekend, can't even see fit to rid himself of the fascists around him, including the ludicrous Dr. Sebastian Gorka, Ph.D., wouldn't balk at encouraging paranoid violence as a means of self-preservation? Is there any doubt that a president* who could not even muster the gumption or the outrage to criticize Nazis for what they are wouldn't blink at bringing the temple down on his own head either out of pure childish pique, or because he doesn't know any other way?
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Pierce: THIS IS THE BLEAKEST MOMENT FOR AMERICA IN MY LIFETIME (Original Post) mcar Aug 2017 OP
"Citronella Putsch" Coventina Aug 2017 #1
Yeah, I love that I can search "tiki torch rally" to get info. forgotmylogin Aug 2017 #3
good cleverness above 90-percent Aug 2017 #7
#TikiTorchTaliban alterfurz Aug 2017 #23
Ha! paleotn Aug 2017 #10
Then again, the grim silver lining... forgotmylogin Aug 2017 #2
When I despair... Fritz Walter Aug 2017 #4
I marched in the 50s and 60s broadcaster90210 Aug 2017 #5
It is terrifying mcar Aug 2017 #6
"Back then we knew the Feds were on our side." mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2017 #12
True of course. I didn't mean across the board. broadcaster90210 Aug 2017 #17
I grok that. ananda Aug 2017 #8
My father said the same thing paleotn Aug 2017 #14
Thanks paleotn. ananda Aug 2017 #22
Brilliant as usual. Volaris Aug 2017 #9
Can you believe this crap? mcar Aug 2017 #18
Bleakest time was when Trump got elected. Le Gaucher Aug 2017 #11
Make lemonade! When the next election comes and Dustlawyer Aug 2017 #13
It is bleak... paleotn Aug 2017 #15
Mentioned this elsewhere on DU: Richard Painter stated on AM Joy Enoki33 Aug 2017 #16
+1 dalton99a Aug 2017 #21
Yesterday was the first day since I've been alive that I've felt unsafe to be American. Initech Aug 2017 #19
I don't know what that even means anymore. mcar Aug 2017 #20

forgotmylogin

(7,530 posts)
3. Yeah, I love that I can search "tiki torch rally" to get info.
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 05:00 PM
Aug 2017

The Hitler Jungvolk are going to rue the day they made their rally look like a Survivor elimination ceremony.

forgotmylogin

(7,530 posts)
2. Then again, the grim silver lining...
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 04:56 PM
Aug 2017

To see the absolute backlash against this kind of hatred and bigotry is pretty astonishing. It's pulling off all the scabs.

It's sad that it took blood spattered across a windshield to wake this dragon up, but it's starting.

Fritz Walter

(4,292 posts)
4. When I despair...
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 05:53 PM
Aug 2017

"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall.
"Think of it--always."
Mahatma Gandhi

broadcaster90210

(333 posts)
5. I marched in the 50s and 60s
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 06:07 PM
Aug 2017

They were bad. This is worse. Why? Back then we knew the Feds were on our side. Now? The Feds ARE the Klan.

broadcaster90210

(333 posts)
17. True of course. I didn't mean across the board.
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 08:06 PM
Aug 2017

That was my shorthanded way of saying it is now ... "abandon hope allmye who enter here".

We "knew" that, in time, society was moving "forward". We believed we would get there. Now, for the first time ever, I don't believe we will ... not as the United States.

paleotn

(17,956 posts)
14. My father said the same thing
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 07:44 PM
Aug 2017

back in the late 70's when the neo-nazis wanted to march in Skokie. He about burst a blood vessel. The only other thing that made him that mad were Holocaust deniers. As the children of that generation, we all knew nazis - bad, but when he opened up about his war time experiences later in life, a lot of things became clear and far more real than grainy black and white photos and films. A Buchenwald sub-camp, dealings with the waffen SS, and a lot of other experiences would cause anyone to suppress memories and hate anything and everything to do with nazism with such a fury. He once said the lives of captured SS weren't worth a nickle unless officers were about. He wasn't proud of that, but said to understand it, you had to have been there.

ananda

(28,876 posts)
22. Thanks paleotn.
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 10:13 PM
Aug 2017

That was interesting.

My father fought in the South Pacific, flying a plane from an aircraft carrier
which was kamikaze'd while he was in the air (lucky sob!)

Anyway, he always seemed somewhat rational about the war and the Nazis,
and even observed that Hitler probably would have won if it weren't for
Stalin and the Russians.

Here we have huge irony considering the events of this week and the past year.

Also, after my mother died, my dad remarried a rightwing bible-thumper, and
all they watched was Fox news. So racist and willing to believe anything Fox
said.

That was such a sad time for me because he was always pretty racist but kept
it in line as long as my mom was living. Then with that second wife, he changed...
or else just let his true feelings take over...

I think that happens to a lot of people as they get older. Look at Wordsworth,
for example -- a great fiery revolutionary in his youth, a conservative fuddyduddy
in old age.

I guess Jung would call it an example of enantiodromia.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
9. Brilliant as usual.
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 06:44 PM
Aug 2017

Somebody please tell me though (because apparently I'm too dense to understand) how a State government slides on passing a law that says the PRIVILEGE of driving, supercedes the Constitutionally guranteed RIGHT of Free Assembly???

mcar

(42,372 posts)
18. Can you believe this crap?
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 08:25 PM
Aug 2017

They manage to come up with something every damn time.

And people elect these morons.

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
13. Make lemonade! When the next election comes and
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 07:21 PM
Aug 2017

they start with their dog whistles let's make them pay. Call them who they are!

paleotn

(17,956 posts)
15. It is bleak...
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 07:47 PM
Aug 2017

...and disgusts me to the depths of my soul, but I feel a historical inflection point has occured. We very likely will look back at this time and see it as the point when the tide turned.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
16. Mentioned this elsewhere on DU: Richard Painter stated on AM Joy
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 07:58 PM
Aug 2017

today that he believes Unite the Right and other Nazi / white supremacist groups are being funded by Putin, who most certainly was watching the results of his scheme with glee. Seems a logical extension of his destabilization plan. Maybe the money trail being followed by CI will confirm it.

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