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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBrought to you by your refusal to elect the democratic candidate:
Oh, yes. You had your reasons: Bernie was cheated. Possibly, but that's politics. HRC just didn't excite you. YOu think there is a noble cause in 3rd party candidates who "really understand you."
Well, here you go. If Obama's voters had shown up and voted party, these people would not now be so emboldened.
Elections have consequences. Grow up and think about the greater good.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)worth DESTROYING THE FUCKING PLANET
I am so angry I dont know what to do anymore
yardwork
(61,703 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)OKNancy
(41,832 posts)I'll never forgive him.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)If it's not obvious by now...........
justhanginon
(3,290 posts)midterms. All the divisive signs are there.
yardwork
(61,703 posts)Response to yardwork (Reply #70)
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KTM
(1,823 posts)But Bernie aint on that list.
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Agschmid
(28,749 posts)liquid diamond
(1,917 posts)I'm not a fucking coward who runs to an authority when somebody says something I don't like.
dawg
(10,624 posts)He didn't handle everything perfectly, but after all, he's only human.
I don't blame Bernie. But some of his followers are a different story.
G_j
(40,370 posts)being a supposedly intelligent adult and all..
TooStrong
(16 posts)Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)are responsible.
Me.
(35,454 posts)She had emails
Vetteguy
(74 posts)did awful awful things.....
Me.
(35,454 posts)An A rating from Charity Watch
https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/bill-hillary-chelsea-clinton-foundation/478
And 4 stars from Charity Navigator Score
(out of 100) Rating
Overall Score & Rating 93.91 ****
Financial 95.00 ****
Accountability & Transparency 93.00 ****
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Was a SHE.
AND worst of all.....
A democrat.
(Not denigrating democrats).
Smarter than a lot of the boys
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)like the racists who were handed this administration on a silver platter. They are running with it. Quit giving the alt-right points to attack liberals. Liberals = Democrats.
Zoonart
(11,878 posts)Congrats, "sanctity of my vote" crowd. You witnessed this at 45's rallies and you knew what he was bringing with him. Yet you let it happen by sewing division in the party of the only candidate on the ballot that could stop this from happening.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)Bernie got over 13 million votes in the primaries, where turn out is lower than a regular election and Stein only got less than one and a half million votes in the General. She already got about half that many when she ran against Obama. The Libertarians got three times as many votes as the Greens got. Probably more pot smoking millennials voted for that ticket than total "leftists" voted for Stein.
potone
(1,701 posts)It is amazing to me that people still want to beat up on Bernie and his supporters. It is the people who voted for Trump and those who didn't bother to vote who landed us in this mess. Very few Bernie supporters voted for Stein instead of Clinton. We all need to look to the next elections now, not re-fight the past.
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lindysalsagal
(20,730 posts)It's amazing to me that Berners still don't get that.
potone
(1,701 posts)don't get that maybe those Obama voters stayed home because they didn't like Hillary. After all, Obama beat her before. It is illogical to say on the one hand that we will never know how many Bernie supporters (not "Berners," by the way) stayed home, and at the same time to blame Bernie's supporters for Trump's victory. It would have to have been a critical mass of Bernie supporters, and I see no evidence for it. But it seems that some people are determined to blame Bernie for Trump's victory, even without any actual evidence to support that conclusion.
In addition, the fact that Hillary did win the popular vote makes it very strange to blame Bernie, rather than the Electoral College, for Trump's victory. There are many things that we need to change about the way that we elect presidents in this country, including voter suppression, unreliable voting machines, hackable voter lists, the undemocratic nature of the Electoral College, and the way that campaigns are financed. So can we please demand action on those things so that we don't face another electoral outcome like the one we faced in 2016?
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)but I'm also an adult who voted appropriately in the general. I hope those stay-at-home Obama voters like the havoc the Manchurian Candidate is wreaking on us.
lindysalsagal
(20,730 posts)It's about the country and the world.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)but many people got to stamp their tiny feet and declare that Hillary bored them so they were going to take their running noses and pouts and stay home because she failed to excite them.
I can't express the complete disdain I have for those people.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)What didn't amaze me was the fact that Republicans and some Independents disliked Hillary enough to not vote for her. No degree in rocket science was needed to know she wouldn't get non Democrat Obama voters, the mere Clinton name has sent them into a tizzy since Bill was elected. She won. How ever many Bernie supporters that may have stayed home had no bearing on Hillary winning the election. You yourself admit no one knows how many didn't vote for her. 3 million votes proves how misguided you are. It's still amazing to me that Hillary's staunchest supporters still don't get that.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)They remind me of the Trumpublicans pushing the voter fraud excuse because of a tiny tiny percent of actual fraud. Same level of hysteria.
Its embarrassing reading some of the Bernie hate posts on here. After all he has done for Democrats, after all he is still doing to fight Trump. Even though the Russian trolls and deplorable cyber army infiltrated Bernie boards and tried to swing over Sanders voters to vote Trump or Stein, not many takers. And that doesn't even address the fact that Bernie himself endorsed Hillary, voted for her, and implored his followers to vote for her. So anyone of his supporters that did not follow his lead was never a Bernie supporter in the first place, and would never have voted Democrat anyways, so that logic is flawed as well.
NJCher
(35,730 posts)reinforces to me that a large amount of the American populace is seriously maladjusted.
Need to blame.
Cher
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)"a large amount of the American populace is seriously maladjusted."
vi5
(13,305 posts)All apparently under the bewitching spell of Jill Stein and responsible for her scary 1-2% (don't ask me how that math translates, it just does and it just is so stop saying it doesn't!!)
And we all know how much rust belt voters in the states that Hillary lost loooooove Susan Sarandon. When I lived in PA she was all anyone ever talked about. It was crazy.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)My family did the same.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)The Johnson voters saw how bad Trump was, but refused to vote for the only candidate who could beat him. Same with Stein voters.
Tons of non-voters were non-voters because the Voting Rights Act was gutted before the election, and that made it even more difficult for minority voters to vote than it already was. White voters with their white privilege, who could vote, who did vote, and did not vote for Clinton own this mess in a way that means that they deserve becoming a minority and being overrun politically. White American voters have shown that they cannot be trusted to vote sensibly - if the country survives it'll be because they become irrelevant. If they don't lose all power, the USA is toast.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,431 posts)that some white people are reluctant to give up the trappings of white hegemony, and that the rest are actively trying to increase it.
Expecting Rain
(811 posts)...is a nearly all white movement. Far less diverse than the Democratic Party's base of support.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,431 posts)brush
(53,847 posts)Why is there a need for hegemony in some and not in others?
If white hegemony is finally overcome does it spring up in another group?
Is it just human nature?
Has there ever been a society where it didn't exist in one group?
Can that happen?
Ideally a democratic socialist society has that potential but race or religion or gender always seems to get in the way. (the Shakers come to mind as they had women leaders, practiced pacifism and communal living but the movement was religion-based, no POCS, and they had a fatal flaw they practiced celibacy. Because of that they didn't survive).
Makes one wonder if not for that, how their movement would have evolved?
romana
(765 posts)Every asshole who refused to vote for Clinton is responsible for all of this. They all knew what was coming, knew who and what was being emboldened, and they not only allowed it to happen, they actively helped it along.
So fucking angry right now, I can't see straight.
Expecting Rain
(811 posts)The whole strategy of the alt.left boils down to an embrace of the "First Hitler, Then Us" scenario.
By embracing a knowable catastrophe, the alt.left hopes things will get so bad that people will become angry radical-reactionaries who will turn to demagogues on the radical left.
It is their only path to power.
It makes the alt.left dangerous and cynical. We need to resist authoritarians on both flanks.
The far-left and the right are natural allies in seeing the polarization of politics into the lunatic fringes as the best way to undermine liberalism.
Resist.
nolabear
(41,991 posts)We have to stop being bitter and try to come together or we're doomed.
oasis
(49,407 posts)CONGRATULATIONS.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)I am sure I am thinking of a different person than you are though. After all it's everybody elses fault.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)Looks like some folks are running with it, but not the ones you are thinking of, though. After all it's everybody else's fault.
oasis
(49,407 posts)Their preference was to put our nation back fifty years.
yardwork
(61,703 posts)oasis
(49,407 posts)liquid diamond
(1,917 posts)I understand why someone's name wasn't mentioned.
greeny2323
(590 posts)I agree.
David__77
(23,503 posts)You blame supporters of a Jewish socialist guilty of the actions of fascists.
The fascists are responsible for their actions.
Clinton was responsible for hers (I say since you reference the election), and each voter for their own. Why the fuck are you taking about Sanders?
If the viewpoint captured in this post holds sway among Democratic leaders bad times lie ahead for the party.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)the realities of why this is happening.
Vetteguy
(74 posts)a true patriot. Those are the folks I will gladly work with to defeat the fascists not the ones crying about Krispy Kreme items.
murielm99
(30,761 posts)It has nothing to do with the divisions BS and his so-called revolution started and are continuing to use to divide our party. This has nothing to do with the primary. It has to do with 45 and the kind of people who have been emboldened by his election.
I find YOUR post disgusting.
Get on board. Support Democrats, not those who refuse to join the party and choose to do nothing but criticize and divide us.
David__77
(23,503 posts)If you don't get why I'd point that out, so sad for you.
murielm99
(30,761 posts)trying to drag Bernie into this. Let it go. We have this mess because 45 is President. Bernie helped divide our party and he is part of the problem. He and his followers are still dividing our party. We are long past this crap: our Democracy is in danger. I repeat: Let it go!
NOW his ethnicity has something to do with it? Wake the fuck up. These people are not showing their bigotry because of Bernie. They are showing it because 45's election enabled them.
David__77
(23,503 posts)Funny that you plead against factionalism while engaging in it.
Cary
(11,746 posts)Vote Democratic. Leave your baggage at the door.
emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)this OP is not about you, me, or any Bernie supporter on DU. Everyone here voted for and worked for the Democrat nominee. Nor is the OP about Bernie. Bernie caucuses with the Dems worked to elect the Democratic nominee.
This OP is about Bernie of Busters and third party voters who enabled Trump to win. See the narrow margins in Wisconsin for example
I hope that helps.
I don't know why you are trying to claim that people who are against neo-Nazis are themselves anti-Semitic.
That makes so sense and isn't true. So please refrain from falsely smearing your fellow DU'ers as anti-Semitic.
Have a nice day
Leith
(7,813 posts)I've made no bones about caucusing for Bernie in the primary and voting for HRC in the general. So I realize that this thread is not about me.
I've been accused of antiSemitism here before and it was disgusting and horribly UNtrue.
There has been waaaaaay to much lashing out at allies around here. It became bad about a year and a half ago, and simply unbearable in the past couple of months. How the hell can someone claim to want to unite Democrats and liberals do this? Only two reasons: stupidity and trolling.
lindysalsagal
(20,730 posts)I still wonder how many Berners stayed home that day.....
emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)There are not a lot of those who didn't, but they are loud and have some very loud advocates on twitter, IMHO.
lindysalsagal
(20,730 posts)emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)Just anecdotally though all Bernie primary people I know IRL went out to vote for the Dem
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... than was probably intended.
Me.
(35,454 posts)No one mentioned Judaism but you. And I see how you keep posting your denial about the last election. One has to wonder what's up with your continued animus to HRC.
David__77
(23,503 posts)I find it notable that people blame supporters of a socialist Jew for the actions of fascists.
I voted for Clinton. I'm sure I have no more animosity for her than some on this thread Gabe for Sanders.
Me.
(35,454 posts)The animus people have for Sander has nothing to do with his religion, in all the threads I've seen of the Senator, yours is the first to ever, ever mention it.
George II
(67,782 posts)Sanders is 6' 1", so the OP is blaming tall people?
Sanders is 74 years old, so the OP is blaming septuagenarians?
Sanders was born in New York, so the OP is blaming New Yorkers?
Sanders is a Senator, so the OP is blaming Senators?
Funny how you zeroed right in on an aspect of Sanders' life that even he rarely speaks about.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I never heard him mention it at all. In fact, the only religion I am aware of being referenced in his campaign was the Catholic one when he dashed off to see the pope.
George II
(67,782 posts)Response to David__77 (Reply #19)
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BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Bernie urged his supporters to vote for Clinton. He warned them how dangerous Trump was. And the overwhelmingly majority of them did vote for the Democratic nominee. But those who did not chose to put a White Supremacist in the White House are absolutely responsible for the suffering they inflicted on the nation. Bernie wasn't running against Clinton in the general election. Trump was, and those who refused to vote for Clinton chose Trump.
They knew Trump was a bigot. They knew he was supported by White Supremacists. They chose to put that fascist in the White House. They floated every Kremlin and GOP lie about Clinton, and they supported Trump with their votes--either directly for Trump or for Stein or some other ratfuck move. They had an opportunity to stand up against fascism; they instead chose to abet it.
Bernie is an excuse cowards hide behind to justify their own collaboration with fascism. Bernie warned them about Trump, as did Clinton. Bernie urged them to vote for Clinton, and they refused. They didn't do so because of Bernie. They did so because that is who they are. They insisted Clinton was worse. They insisted her policy positions were worse. They knew full well what Trump was, and they chose him anyway. That makes them complicit in all of this. Every death from hate crimes, every immigrant family torn apart by immigration raids, every person who loses their health insurance or is thrown in the street because of cuts to safety net programs is on them. In refusing to vote for Clinton or even directly voting for Trump, they choose THIS America, the America in which Nazis are better regarded in the White House than than Civil Rights or Environmental activists. They knew exactly what they were promoting.
So no, calling out the fascist collaboration is not disgusting. Collaborating with fascism, choosing to bring it to power-that is disgusting. Utter disregard for the lives of one's fellow citizens is disgusting. A myopic focus on their own egos over human lives and suffering is disgusting. Using Bernie as a pretext for their contemptible actions is cowardly, an effort to deflect responsibility, to pretend they are no different from the millions of people who voted for Bernie in the primary, were disappointed at the outcome of that race, and then went on to vote for the Democratic nominee. They could not be more different. The Bernie supporters got over their disappointment, at least enough to do the right thing in the fall election. The Stein/Trump/ratfuck voters choose instead to stand with fascism, to reject principles and values they claimed to uphold but never did. They chose to vote against weaning America off fossil fuels; they chose to vote against the Paris Climate Change Agreement; against civil rights, women's rights, educational reform that would have lessened inequality. They voted against regulation of banking and against campaign finance reform. They voted for conservative appointments to the supreme court. In fact, I heard a number of them argue that a RW court was a small price to pay for taking down the Democratic Party. Of course, they knew it would never be them who would have to pay.
This is their government, their America. When future generations ask them how it was that the American electorate could allow the country to descend into fascism, they can lie, feign outrage, or deflect. But the fact remains, when America was at a crossroads, when they were faced with the single most important political choice of their lifetimes, they chose evil.
Doc Coco
(58 posts)This post is disgusting in general.
WIProgressive88
(314 posts)Everyone here who voted Bernie in the primary voted Hillary in the general election. I just don't get what the point is of these two minutes hate type posts that seem to pop up daily. It would make sense on a Jill Stein Facebook page or something but it makes no sense here.
emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)Directed at BoB's and third party voters.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Seems to be at least one a day.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)1. only a tiny fraction of Bernie supporters would even dare to thing of voting for Trump as he is the polar opposite.
2. Yes there were those that voted for Greens. As there was when Obama won handily. More voted for the Libertarians who presumably took votes away from Trump. Those that stayed home are idiots. But why pick a fight with a tiny demographic. Besides the obvious demographic of white males, how many white women are joining in on the bullying in here when we could just as easily point to the much much larger demographic of white women, the majority of which actually voted for Trump. Should I start an OP about those damn white women that lost us the election?
3. Sanders himself strongly advised his supporters to vote for Hillary. So how can one accuse Sanders supporters of sabotage? If they were real Sanders supporters, they would have done what he wanted. And did.
4. Worst of all, these OPs are on DU. Go post this on JPR where you will I'm sure spark a healthy debate. All you do is upset all the many Bernie fans, which was the majority in here when the primaries were on, of something they never did. Stop scolding ghosts.
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)attacks those on the left. Shame.
emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)me and every Sanders supporter on DU. There are no BoBs here on DU.
OP addresses voters who were willing to through the most powerless people in the US under the bus.
People on the left don't abandon seniors, the poor etc and throw them to the wolves by enabling Trump.
George II
(67,782 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,730 posts)tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)Shortly prior to last election. I was urging him to vote. After learning he was not registered I urged him to get all his family to the polls. He replied. "Many of us think it does not make a difference."
Another African American in his fifties said. "Don't come knocking on my door once every two years saying you want my support."
This may lead to some explanation of why many of Obama's voters stayed home.
Motownman78
(491 posts)With such a huge difference between Trump and HRC. HRC would not be actively curtailing minority rights.
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)I have shared with him. trump quotes. "What have you got to lose?" and "don't put your hand on there head."
No response.
liquid diamond
(1,917 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)Reiyuki
(96 posts)leftstreet
(36,112 posts)You troublemaker, you
Welcome to DU!
Reiyuki
(96 posts)I pretty much spend my time reading and absorbing rather than trying to lead the community.
So basically, the answer to my own question is that the election allowed these groups to become more open and brazen.
question everything
(47,534 posts)but since the elections, even before, these rallies and opinions have come to the light with no one saying Boo.
Where is Trump? Where is Cruz? Where is the turtle? Rubio?
The only one that I ready publicly denouncing this is the mayor Mike Signer and.. he is a Democrat..
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)Even they don't want Trump representing their party.
treestar
(82,383 posts)They are not embarrassed to be seen in public, as they still might have been had they not had the election of one supporting their nonsense as POTUS.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)amped up their assaults on LGBT folks there once the anti-gay law was passed.
The bigots here in the US feel empowered by the election of Trump. Their activity has ramped up significantly since he was proclaimed the winner of the election.
Reiyuki
(96 posts)Even back in the 80's you could find all kinds of racist jokes and such on the bulletin boards. Had pretty much died down until a few years ago, and I've definitely seen that as well.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)It's not news that white supremacists were attracted to his campaign.
Reiyuki
(96 posts)I felt the thread was going to devolve into yet another one of the classic civil war 'Bernie vs Hillary' debates that's been going on here every few days for the past 9 months (my post was before the Trumper ran down a bunch of protesters).
Some of the conflict is real, and some of it is artificial wedges from outside posters, but the guilt and re-fighting the primaries is crippling the community here. Next up, it's probably going to be Antifa vs. 'Love Trumps Hate', where they drive a wedge between the peaceful and the vengeful sides of the Democratic base. .... Again
I don't think the election of a president is what caused the racism. I think it's the other way around.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)wouldn't have mattered, so people responded that it was evident that Trump attracted racists and continues to attract racists.
Elections have consequences, which is what we are living with now.
Chakaconcarne
(2,462 posts).
we can do it
(12,193 posts)moondust
(20,006 posts)who have for decades tolerated, encouraged, and practiced all kinds of bad behavior in exchange for votes, power, and MONEY.
Efilroft Sul
(3,581 posts)I got news for you: This kind of rallying would've happened a lot sooner. Trump's campaign let this kind of genie back out of its bottle. If he lost in 2016, he would've supported or endorsed, if not outright hosted these kinds of protests against the left, and things would have gotten a lot more violent a lot sooner, too.
It serves no purpose, NONE WHATSOEVER, for one side to continue blaming the other about who's enabled what's gone down in Charlottesville. Everyone has some kind of butt-hurt over 2016: From Clinton's supporters blaming Bernie-Bros and the Greens and the Russians and Comey; from Sanders' supporters blaming the party and lack of purity; and from non-voters who, if they are politically aware, blame the two-party system for whatever reason for their sitting out in November.
You want someone to blame? Blame Trump and his rabid base for what's happened in the last 18 hours or so in Virginia. THIS IS ON THEM, NOT ANY OF US. Everyone who is against Trump needs to stop blaming someone who is probably 90% in agreement with them. 2016 is done and over. We need to get our act together RIGHT NOW and stand united against these forces of darkness, and continue doing so through 2018, and if we aren't nuked off the face of the planet, continue doing so through 2020. Because it's not just a political thing; it's a survival of the nation and species thing.
sagesnow
(2,824 posts)Greybnk48
(10,176 posts)QUIT SAYING HILLARY LOST THE ELECTION! SHE DID NOT LOSE, IT WAS STOLEN!
TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)Blame the Russians
Blame the Republicans that colluded with them and accepted their money
Blame the vote suppressers
Blame the gerrymanderers
Paladin
(28,272 posts)Thanks for nothing, liberal hyper-purists and lazy-assed non-voters. This is on you, big-time.
lindysalsagal
(20,730 posts)Thank you.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)These people would have been even more emboldened if Hillary Clinton had become President. I proudly voted for Hillary Clinton, but we are not where we are because Hillary Clinton did not make it to the White House. We have been dealing with things like this since the country started. In recent years this started with the election of Barack Obama. These people are angry and have been angry for years because they believe they are on the verge of losing power. This would likely be worse if Hillary Clinton had made it to the White House.
lindysalsagal
(20,730 posts)And they're rallying behind him in his hate. HRC would have immediately answered them with intelligence, diplomacy and the strength of a political mandate. She would have bouyed their hate with patriotic liberal tolerance, and they wouldn't have this monster to point to.
Instead, silence, which is tacit approval.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)she won by 3 million votes. The 3rd party candidates have always ran in elections and amount to nothing, they were not a factor here and Bernie did not run as a 3rd party candidate. But don't let facts and hate get in the way of the thrill of posting a divisive rant against people whose votes will be needed in the future.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)KPN
(15,650 posts)I get the anger at this stuff. But can we please stop with the bullshit blaming and start taking some responsibility for the past 35 years?
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)Maybe you had fought for the rights of your people your whole life and like Newton, Seale, Cleaver, King, and Shabazz said that economic justice was the first step on the path to social justice and had YOUR PARTY call you a racist for not saying social justice was the first step;
Maybe you had stood up for the rights of women to maintain complete sovereignty over every decision affecting her body for your whole life and had YOUR PARTY call you a misogynist or anti-choice for being disappointed that Planned Parenthood endorsed your opponent in January;
Maybe you had just been a working class Democrat whose income had been cut in half or who had lost their job and whose family was hurting and just wanted the Trumps of the world (AND NOT OTHER OPPRESSED PEOPLE) to give back a fraction of the money YOU MADE FOR THEM and who had never in your life voted for a fascist Republican and YOUR PARTY called you a racist or a misogynist because your family was your number one issue;
Maybe you were a young black person who watched your brothers and sisters being SYSTEMATICALLY gunned down in the street and YOUR PARTY stood behind the legal system and told you to stay calm;
Maybe you were one of the millions of good Democrats who watched 90% of OUR PARTY'S campaign ads talk about NOTHING but how your opponent lacked the character to be president;
Maybe, just maybe, when election day rolled around and you were STILL goin to get out and vote, you thought about how OUR PARTY leaders told you it was all in the bag and didn't even care enough come to your state after the primaries AND YOU BELIEVED THEM;
Maybe now, when you know how we were hurt by Russian interference, when you know how we were hurt by voter suppression, when you know that more than 90% of you DID get out and vote for our candidate DESPITE ALL THAT, and then you hear same people who CLAIM to be OUR PARTY still blaming "Obama voters" as if THEIR OWN DECISIONS had less to do with it . . .
maybe now you are thinking that these kinds of OPs are the type of divisive garbage that will cost us the next election.
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sandensea
(21,664 posts)
"THREE states, our hackers flipped."
QC
(26,371 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,008 posts)LovesPNW
(65 posts)I voted for Hillary.
What's your point?
lindysalsagal
(20,730 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,258 posts)Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)It's good to see the divisiveness here at DU is still alive and kicking. These threads and the statements that come after do so much to unite us. Keep up the good work.
ismnotwasm
(42,008 posts)What was the quote of hers that went viral recently? No--not the donut one, the one where she said it wasn't her job to "fit in with the Democratic establishment" Not very unifying I must say
Expecting Rain
(811 posts)Those quoting enemies of the Democratic Party in their sig lines complaining about "divisiveness" is rich.
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)A Democrat is an enemy to the Democratic Party? This is sad state of affairs this party is in if that is the case.
Doc Coco
(58 posts)Progressives vs corporatists.
Who will win. I think I know the answer.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)way to proclaim purity standards. WTF is a progressive label except for some phony purity standards.
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)The quote used is over a year old. But yeah, all the chyt throwing here on DU is MY fault.
ismnotwasm
(42,008 posts)Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)is offensive? Besides the obvious bias against Nina in the second article.
The fact that she and others are holding the DNC's feet to the fire? That the tone deafness of the past needs to stop. That there is a large group that is expecting more from our elected officials? What is it that is so offensive?
ismnotwasm
(42,008 posts)Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)When Nina speaks of things the DNC needs to change that isn't divisive. She's a Democrat who represents a like minded group and is letting our party know what it is we're looking for. Which seems to offend some people.
BadGimp
(4,018 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,192 posts)PBass
(1,537 posts)I have to question whether you are actually a Democrat, with a divisive post like this.
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NBachers
(17,136 posts)Duppers
(28,127 posts)And Virginia has two Democratic Senators and voted for HRC last November!!
We are a purple state that is quickly changing and that is what it is upsetting these racist shits. I am sure more in my state is disgusted by this demonstration than is supporting it.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Who are you preaching to?
How many of us do you think voted for someone other than Hillary?
Just. Fucking. Stop. Already.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Thanks.
meadowlander
(4,402 posts)You could just as easily say "Brought to us by everyone who insists on attacking other people on the left instead of speaking out against the fascists in the first place"
melman
(7,681 posts)Unfortunately the admins seem to have no problem with it. So it continues.
liquid diamond
(1,917 posts)Gothmog
(145,554 posts)Willie Pep
(841 posts)First, let's not forget that the far right has existed in this country for a very long time. Trump did not create the white nationalist movement. Trump threw fuel on the fire, though, so he does deserve blame for that.
Second, if Clinton won the election things might actually be worse. Trump would have claimed that the election was rigged and his most fervent supporters would have believed him. You probably would have had at least one mass shooting over Trump losing the election.
This country has some major problems that are even bigger than Trump and those problems are fueling these extremist movements. Blaming Sanders and his supporters for this doesn't make sense especially since most Bernie supporters voted for Clinton in the general election.
EDIT: I would add that historically speaking electing Democrats to the presidency doesn't necessarily lead to a reduction in far-right activity. There was a big increase in far-right recruitment under Obama and I think you could make a solid argument that the far right was even stronger and more dangerous during Bill Clinton's presidency. The militia movement was at its height and you had incidents like the Oklahoma City bombing and Waco. I am not trying to downplay what happened in Virginia but I think we need to keep history in mind with regard to this issue.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)He has emboldened them. Even ex-Bush administration GOP officials see that Trump is turning their party into racists. It's that obvious.
treestar
(82,383 posts)They did not do it when Obama was POTUS, which one might have thought they would. But then they lived in a country that had elected a black president. So they knew their crap would not play well. Now they have one of their own as POTUS, so they appear in public, thinking the country is not all for it.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)Fuck anyone who said she was the best of two bad choices, or that she was flawed, or that they'd "hold their noses and vote for her". We could have had her, but instead we have him. The nazis would have walked the street if she had been elected too, but she would have handled it completely differently than the shitheel we have now who blames both sides while using KKK dog whistles like "cherish our history" while he does.
They would have protested because they would have been incensed - and scared. Scared because she actually had plans to work against discrimination. Because she had plans to work against the hate. Because she had plans to make people's lives better. And they weren't just promises to give everyone the moon and to part the seas - they were detailed, realistic plans that could be done. And that scared the shit out of a majority of white America, who preferred to vote for Trump, or Johnson, or Stein, or write in Sanders. So fuck white America - anyone who's white who sits down at a Thanksgiving table with their racist relatives without giving a clear message that racism won't be accepted and who are not willing to get up and leave if their relatives/friends/neighbors start talking about how affirmative action is reverse racism, how Mexicans are rapists, how more Black people kill than are killed and other nazi talking points, are aiding and abetting this. If white Americans put family peace above the safety and well-being of Black children in America, they're supporting this. And that makes them as bad as the nazis marching in Charlottesville this weekend.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)what a bunch of fucking cowards
Duncan Grant
(8,291 posts)You're not the among the best and the brightest at DU, are you? Pity.
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)but will pull that lever undercover of the voting booth for the conman.