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struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
Sun Aug 6, 2017, 05:18 PM Aug 2017

Woos people, rips them off, then abandons them

SUNDAY, AUG 6, 2017 12:00 PM EDT
PAUL ROSENBERG

Donald Trump’s astonishing New York Times interview from July 19, which first telegraphed his threat to get rid of Attorney General Jeff Sessions, has not led to Sessions’ departure — at least not yet. But it did highlight something basic about how the president operates, a method that has swept away chief of staff Reince Priebus, press secretary Sean Spicer and communications director Anthony Scaramucci, the latter dismissed before he could unpack his boxes.

It’s not just that Trump’s loyalty is only to himself, as should have been obvious given the scores of associates he’s wooed, ripped off and discarded over his long career, including his own lawyers, at times. Rather, it’s the centrality of this cycle to the way that Trump operates ...

There was also the matter of how Trump justifies the prospective discarding of associates, and how he lays predicates for wooing, ripping off and discarding the next crop of eager, willing victim/accomplices ... But .. this intended discarding can only be appreciated in terms of the larger pattern — a pattern that has received far too little notice, given how much attention has been given to Trump’s mental health, or lack thereof ...

There’s been a great deal of commentary about Trump’s apparent psychological abnormalities, but “Snakes in Suits” describes a particular pattern that stands out for the combination of clarity it brings to bear and the broad scope of action it describes. This pattern consists of a three-phase game plan many psychopaths in corporate settings use a when engaging with victims ...

First, they assess the value of individuals to their needs, and identify their psychological strengths and weaknesses. Second, they manipulate the individuals (now potential victims) by feeding them carefully crafted messages, while constantly using feedback from them to build and maintain control. Not only is this an effective approach to take with most people, it also allows psychopaths to talk their way around and out of any difficulty quickly and effectively if confronted or challenged. Third, they leave the drained and bewildered victims when they are bored or otherwise through with them ...

http://www.salon.com/2017/08/06/trumps-malignant-pattern-he-woos-people-rips-them-off-and-then-abandons-them-and-he-wont-stop/

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Woos people, rips them off, then abandons them (Original Post) struggle4progress Aug 2017 OP
Crooks liars and thieves. LakeArenal Aug 2017 #1
"the sort of loyalty Trump craves the most - the loyalty of those that he has abandoned" dalton99a Aug 2017 #2
It's a living. dchill Aug 2017 #3
Very interesting read, although I still don't understand what his supporters see in him. Shrike47 Aug 2017 #4
he is so obviously a con man and an absolute fucking buffoon Skittles Aug 2017 #7
"There's a sucker born every minute". luvtheGWN Aug 2017 #10
a good 3 cents worth. demigoddess Aug 2017 #14
The people most attached to supporting Trump simply despise Democrats and "others". Blue_true Aug 2017 #12
They see, or think they see a successful man who is a billionaire, with lunatica Aug 2017 #21
New Yorker cartoon sums it up mia Aug 2017 #5
pretty lengthy article to describe a CON MAN Skittles Aug 2017 #6
The headline fooled me... I totally wasn't expecting THAT! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #8
Very well written discription of this kind of con man..Excellent...highly recommend.. Stuart G Aug 2017 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Stuart G Aug 2017 #18
Every Republican ever. broadcaster90210 Aug 2017 #11
Someone posted a psychological analysis of his supporters and 5 key traits. BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #13
RWAF Right Wing Authoritarian Followers have these characteristics: Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2017 #15
Wow, that list applies to too many people unfortunately. Scary! BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #17
A very few of his base will get very violent. A few will get violent. Most will get petty violent Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2017 #20
Those who get wooed by him are a problem also JI7 Aug 2017 #16
One thing that struck me is this: Trump has always been a pathological liar.. Stuart G Aug 2017 #19

LakeArenal

(28,820 posts)
1. Crooks liars and thieves.
Sun Aug 6, 2017, 05:34 PM
Aug 2017

"First, they assess the value of individuals to their needs, and identify their psychological strengths and weaknesses. Second, they manipulate the individuals (now potential victims) by feeding them carefully crafted messages, while constantly using feedback from them to build and maintain control. Not only is this an effective approach to take with most people, it also allows psychopaths to talk their way around and out of any difficulty quickly and effectively if confronted or challenged. Third, they leave the drained and bewildered victims when they are bored or otherwise through with them ... "

I worked for that guy.. Not Trump but another "job creator".. This fits him to a T.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
4. Very interesting read, although I still don't understand what his supporters see in him.
Sun Aug 6, 2017, 05:46 PM
Aug 2017

He has always seemed to me to be a con man, from long before he decided to run for president. In fact, he sort of oozes.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
7. he is so obviously a con man and an absolute fucking buffoon
Sun Aug 6, 2017, 06:18 PM
Aug 2017

what does it say about Americans that so many people were / are fooled by him?

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
10. "There's a sucker born every minute".
Sun Aug 6, 2017, 07:15 PM
Aug 2017

Was it PT Barnum who said that? Whoever it was knew exactly what he was talking about. Why are so many people taken in by preachers who live in vast estates and have their own private jets, and even have the nerve to ask their "flock" to send more money to pay the fuel costs? What did Jim Jones offer, to keep his "flock" intact and drink the koolaid? And to be a bit more specific, why do so many folks around the world, in pretty much every country, believe in their preferred version of "God"?

There are probably almost as many reasons why people voted for Trump as there are people who did vote for Trump. Everything may be personal, but when you have so-called leaders in your community, or your church, or your fraternal organization etc., or simply your living room boob tube telling you one thing, discernment tends to take a back seat to reality.

Just my 3 cents (Cdn) this fine Sunday evening!

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
12. The people most attached to supporting Trump simply despise Democrats and "others".
Sun Aug 6, 2017, 07:38 PM
Aug 2017

One only have to compare job creation and stock market reaction in August 2008 to August 2017. In August 2008 the Trump voter blamed Obama for the economy and ignored the trainwreck Bush had left. Today, they blame Obama for anything bad while assigning credit for jobs and the stockmarket being at historic highs to Trump. You can bet that if Trump's policies tank jobs and the stockmarket, they will blame Obama with red faces of anger. They simply are not rational.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
21. They see, or think they see a successful man who is a billionaire, with
Sun Aug 6, 2017, 10:46 PM
Aug 2017

an airplane, and glitzy buildings with his name on them standing tall with his name emblazoned on them. They see his beautiful wife and his golfing clubs and his obviously rich lifestyle. No one outdoes that image for Trump. They see that he will make them just like him. Rich, famous and obviously special to God.

They want to be him. Or what they think he is. They don't want to work for it though. They want him to bestow it on them the way God bestows it on him.

Besides, if God loves him so much then it certainly can't hurt your chances with God if you kiss His anointed one's ass.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
9. Very well written discription of this kind of con man..Excellent...highly recommend..
Sun Aug 6, 2017, 07:10 PM
Aug 2017

Thank You for posting....K and R

Response to Stuart G (Reply #9)

BigmanPigman

(51,610 posts)
13. Someone posted a psychological analysis of his supporters and 5 key traits.
Sun Aug 6, 2017, 07:50 PM
Aug 2017

There was an article in Raw Story from Aug 3rd by Bobby Azaria and it made perfect sense. Basically it is all about personality and not the issues as we already knew. Mainly they like authoritarian leaders to follow and who promote prejudiced beliefs(mainly racist and sexist) in order to maintain their own feelings of superiority since they feel their status is entitled. They are also aggressive bullies and they feed off of this hatred with fellow supporters and are encouraged to do so by their thuggish leader.

If anyone wants to work for him it is only for the power, prestige and money even though they often don't even like him in the first place. They have no self respect or personal integrity but that goes for many who are involved in politics as a living. Kellyanne is a prime example. She was caught on a live mic saying, "Yuck, now I have to go take a hot shower" after singing his praises on Morning Joe.

BigmanPigman

(51,610 posts)
17. Wow, that list applies to too many people unfortunately. Scary!
Sun Aug 6, 2017, 08:26 PM
Aug 2017

A few people (on DU and in the media) have asked if they think @IMPOTUS will leave office willingly if he is either impeached or through the 25 Amend. And if not, will he convince his base to become violent as a form of protest. I have little doubt that will happen. To what degree is the question.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,007 posts)
20. A very few of his base will get very violent. A few will get violent. Most will get petty violent
Sun Aug 6, 2017, 10:15 PM
Aug 2017

... petty violent: verbal abuse and the like. There is a lot of bluster, but some are serious.

I’m thinking a “Night of the Long Knives”, when bold men take out the threat posed by college professors, journalists, Hollyweird Liberals and other assorted shills, all in one fell swoop. Ring the bell, open the door, bang.
Now, to be clear, I am not advocating nor planning such a dreadful thing, but I suppose someone might be.
72 posted on 2017-07-12, 8:51:59 AM by Alas Babylon!


They better pray the don’t succeed in pulling Trump down. If they do I put down my tools and see to the matter personally and immediately. I kid you not.
99 posted on 2017-08-03, 6:10:01 PM by TalBlack


and (with emphasis added) from the same thread (was about impaneling grand jury) with a few other posts from it that are just plain looney (FR is becoming fun again to read lately):

Trump is the greatest patriot of our generation, but I think we’ve lost our country.
The corruption and treason are so pervasive that there is no peaceful solution possible.
8 posted on 2017-08-03, 4:59:26 PM by Nothingburger


DC, lost in foreign and domestic antiConstitution centrifuge.
14 posted on 2017-08-03, 5:02:14 PM by veracious


President Trump needs to turn out people power in the streets to show what is going to happen if this soft coup succeeds.
22 posted on 2017-08-03, 5:05:12 PM by Truth29


WHAT THE MF SHIT IS THIS?!!!!! God help us because there is going to be fireworks coming out from a stick if those asshole try anything!!!!! THIS IS A CALL TO ARMS!!!
45 posted on 2017-08-03, 5:23:14 PM by RoseofTexas


This is not going over well with commetors on the internet. This coup is going to end very, very badly.
74 posted on 2017-08-03, 5:49:35 PM by Lady Heron


and yet it is failing miserably. Huge rally tonight in West Virginia. The turn out will be legion. We will crush these bastards like bugs. The whole thing has turned people right to Trump. He will win 2020 by 30 %. Pray for defeat of the satanists. God is with US!!
79 posted on 2017-08-03, 5:53:30 PM by raiderboy


Wow. Robert Mueller is in VIOLATION OF THE LAW for his conflict of interest in this matter and.. NO ONE IN THE DOJ OR CONGRESS CARES.

If the DEMONRATS want CIVIL WAR by trying to remove Trump, THEY WILL GET ONE. AND A BIG, BEAUTIFUL AND BLOODY CIVIL WAR.
87 posted on 2017-08-03, 6:02:01 PM by CivilWarBrewing (Feminism DESTROYED females)


Trump Jr 2024 is a lock now.
Attacked by the Big State on false charges.
118 posted on 2017-08-03, 6:33:42 PM by TheNext (Deep State are Lunatics)


IMHO,the Democrat Party has just done what they do best,self-destruct.

Under Nancy Piglosi and Chuck U. Shoomer they are a broken party held together solely by a biased media.

They isolated over half of their base when the DNC destroyed Seth Rich. There is now a 690 million dollar lawsuit against the DNC by other dems for screwing over Bernie Sanders and killing Seth Rich.The Becks,both are lawyers, in South Fla. are behind it.

Where are those people voting Democrat going to go? Are they going to rush out and vote for the next obama type cabal created candidate?Maybe, maybe not.

I still see us as a viable Republican Party under Trump who is always ten steps ahead of any of us.
245 posted on 2017-08-04, 7:30:59 AM by rodguy911 (MAGA--USA--HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAH PALIN!!)

JI7

(89,252 posts)
16. Those who get wooed by him are a problem also
Sun Aug 6, 2017, 08:15 PM
Aug 2017

And it's not always a partisan thing since Comey and some others did not take to it.

I thing the biggest are ignorance and bigotry.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
19. One thing that struck me is this: Trump has always been a pathological liar..
Sun Aug 6, 2017, 08:53 PM
Aug 2017

...who in then end, screws the hell out of those who were loyal to him...and most important...

he abandons those who are most loyal, and enjoys the process of abandoning them ....in large print..

ENJOYS THE PROCESS OF ABANDONING THEM...


what a sick piece of shit....almost as sick as they come..!!!

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