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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt is shocking that 58% of Republicans think negatively about college. Demos President appeared on M
It is shocking that 58% of Republicans think negatively about college. Demos President appeared on Meet the Press with Chuck Todd and explained how that came about that should disturb us all.
It isn't an accident that a large percentage of Republicans view college in a negative light. But that thinking is directly responsible for their anti-science stance.
https://egbertowillies.com/2017/08/06/58-republicans-think-college-bad-heather-mcghee-explains-feel-way/
Nitram
(22,822 posts)anti-intellectual, and fundamentalist.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)Girard442
(6,075 posts)...for those people. They'll be so much happier when their surgeons and pilots aren't those uppity smartass educated types.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)TY.
procon
(15,805 posts)He was a Republican, a racist, a misogynist, hated foreigners, pro-military, cops are always right... you know, a typical rightwing nut, but with two college degrees. And as a kid, I wanted to be just like dear old dad; a short-lived aspiration.
He opined at length on the pros of being a Republican and the cons of becoming a Democrat. One of the virtues of being a Republican, according to dad, was that they were the party of really smart people, like him, so he put the emphasis on getting a good education.
What's a college girl in the 60s gonna do? I became a closet Democrat, a hippy and a student activist. That was then, but things have changed remarkably in the intervening decades since.
Xolodno
(6,395 posts)Climatologist, Meteorologist, etc. say Global Warming is real. - nut jobs with no formal training say its some sort of left wing conspiracy.
Doctors, Physicians, etc. say get vaccinated. - nut jobs with no formal training say its some sort of left wing conspiracy.
Economists largely agree that Single Payer is the way to go..a rare occasion - nut jobs with no formal training say its some sort of left wing conspiracy.
Pharmacists say taking herbs, vitamins to cure cancer is voodoo - nut jobs with no formal training say its some sort of left wing conspiracy.
As for myself, I got a ration of crap and then some from right wing members of my family. Some of the shit they threw;
"College is where you go to stop believing in God"
"You shouldn't go to college, go learn a trade and that will support you"
"You should work for your dad, he brings in good money"....there were many times I opened the fridge...and saw nothing in it.
"You're just going to college because you're lazy and don't want to work for a living"... uhm, no. I wanted a shot at making a better living without sacrificing my well being. And good thing I did, my back problems would put me on disability and on an income at poverty level.
And the irony in all this, they think they are smarter than any educated person. Some didn't even finish High School, got a GED and left early....others, even dropped out.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Sadly, the people who need it most are impacted the greatest by the costs of affording a college education for any number of kids in an average family. The costs are overwhelming in too many cases, and the poorer Red State economies probably can't keep up. Money's tight, better for the kids to work a job, any job, etc.
College needs to be made affordable again. For everybody, if the U.S. has any interest in maintaining some home-grown talent in key job areas worldwide.
And, you can't blame youth for looking at their elders still paying off student for wondering if it's worth it.
politicat
(9,808 posts)Set aside that they've been defunding their local schools since the Reagan administration. That's an issue, but it's at a scale the average part-time farmer, semi-full-time factory worker in the rusty midwest just cannot see, because they're too close and the issue is too large.
So take that average person: they've got 40-100 acres under cultivation, possibly shared with some other family members. They or someone in their nuclear family works a full-time job for benefits and regular income. Their kids went to the local public schools, which were built in the late 60s and early 70s, have not been updated, and have been extremely cash strapped since the early 1980s. The schools tend not to be all that challenging, because their state funding requires they keep grades and basic achievement at a level that's fairly easy to maintain, so the schools don't push the kids very hard, because challenges can look like failing achievement. An average, reasonably intelligent, reasonably obedient child in a smallish community can usually pull very good grades for limited effort. Their kids got an education that seemed adequate to the parents, because it was similar to the one they got.
The really talented kids go away and never come back. The pretty darn clever ones go away to state schools and never come back. For those average, reasonably intelligent, never pushed kids, college is all but out of attainability, except at the community college level. Even CC work is fairly intensive and will require some level of loans, but the parents still expect the new college student to work, and the kid probably can't afford to go if the kid isn't working. But work and school do not cooperate all that well, and the kid that was an adequate, even excellent, student in a public school that wasn't challenging will flail in the more academically demanding college world. It's not possible to coast at the post-secondary level. So the kid flails, doesn't know how to ask for help because the kid has never before needed to ask for help, and fails out or quits, assuming they're too dumb for college. And they're stuck with the loan, and no way to get back in the game. It's easy to draw the conclusion that the kid would have been better off never trying at all, and therefore, college is a waste of time and money. The success stories went away and never came back, and that's an insult to community cohesiveness -- those damn liberals stole our kids. The ones who never tried are often doing a little better than the ones who flailed (because they've got a little bit of a head start without those wasted years and loans).
The people who don't value the education are looking at the problem from the wrong side, but they're coming to a conclusion that fits their perspective.
I don't agree with them, I think they're wrong, but they're not going to listen to an academic like me anyway. I left.