BOY, Someone/s Must Really Be Frightened By Senator Harris

[Me.]

A wonderfully smart, strong, fearless Senator who is both black and a woman. Someone the Dem party should be proud to have as a senator. Yet what we’re seeing is article after article either bashing her outright or scattering innuendo. She’s a corporatist, a centrist, not progressive enough.... She better not be thinking of running for president.

She hasn’t said she is or anything else about present or future plans. What she has done publicly is question a dangerous candidate for Attorney General so forthrightly that she scared both him and the men who jumped to his aid and shushed her.

Someone is making a concerted effort to stop her before she even gets started and I’d like to know why.

[leftofcool]

1. Good question

[TryLogic]

46. Replying here to some below who are falling for the divide and conquer tactics of Republican ops.

Trace it to Karl Rove: Attack early and often. All the divisive stuff is for the benefit of Republicans. Don't fall for it.

[demigoddess]

66. yes, it reminds me of how they went after Hillary. Repugs so afraid of a woman who

might win. They know a dem woman would do a great job and make them all look like idiots.

[Dustlawyer]

187. They started in on Bernie and his wife already and now Ms. Harris.

They are trying to divide us, don't let them! We are not ass divided as they try to paint it. Seeds of division are all that they can sow, we do not have to let them reap. Attacks like these are signs they know she will be a force to be reckoned with!

[ehrnst]

196. There is some real resentment for Harris coming from the left

https://mic.com/articles/183105/democratic-rising-star-kamala-harris-has-a-bernie-sanders-problem

[Dustlawyer]

203. No doubt, but we mist unite to get out of the hole we are in nationally vs.

Republican office-holders. There will be time enough to fight over the direction of the Party once we have something to fight over.

I am a Progressive who is for Single Payer which I know is not something the Establishment wing is too wild about. I am willing to put that aside for the bigger picture for now. I think we should all be demanding Publicly Funded Elections to attack the root cause of most of our problems. Even that must wait for us to have some power in Congress which neither wing of the Democratic Party can do alone.

[ehrnst]

208. The actual health policy community has weighed in on this

This isn't about "establishment dems vs progressives" this is about actual policy.

https://www.thenation.com/article/medicare-for-all-isnt-the-solution-for-universal-health-care/

When this becomes dogma, facts and data get ignored - and that is no different than the tea partiers that are CONVINCED of the dogma that shutting down Planned Parenthood will eliminate abortions.

And anyone who presents data to the contrary gets shunned as heretics.

[OKNancy]

2. Oh come on... everyone knows why

She stands in the way of Bernie Sanders.

[NurseJackie]

4. You are correct.

[stonecutter357]

7. +1000

[TDale313]

13. He shouldn't run again.

I say that as someone who supported him in the primaries and thinks he has a very important message.

And while I have no clue how she would fare in a Presidential campaign, I have been following Sen Harris for a while now (I'm in CA) and definitely think she should at least explore the possibility of running in '20. She could be a real powerhouse. Is she more moderate than I am on some issues? Yeah. Most politicians are. But she's right on most of the important issues, is a great communicator, and I suspect could really energize the base.

[calimary]

131. I think she's terrific! I'm an admirer already!

I think she has TREMENDOUS potential and I'm not a bit surprised to hear that she's already making some people's short lists for 2020. Well, when you're smart, attractive, articulate, you're great on the issues, credible, respected, you're young enough to be able to build, and you've already proved yourself a worthy standout, it's no surprise. YES I think she's part of our bench strength for the future. As for Bernie - I agree with what you put in your reply title, TDale313.

[NewJeffCT]

167. agreed

While I've heard some mention of Biden as well, I really think it's time for a new generation of Democrats - Harris, Booker, Franken, etc.

(I like Elizabeth Warren a lot as well, but I'm concerned about her age as well)

[obamanut2012]

180. I don't think he should run, nor Biden, nor Warren

I am not a fan of Booker, but we need people like him, Gilibrand, Harris, Franken (although he says he isn't interested), et al.

[NastyRiffraff]

14. Yep

that's it in a nutshell. Plus she doesn't speak to "white men like me" Bernie.

[George II]

45. Bazinga!

[elleng]

72. STOP the baloney,

and try to help the party win.

[Ninsianna]

126. Exactly. Attacking Democrats in this way does nothing for the party.

[OKNancy]

128. I never attack Democrats

[Ninsianna]

132. Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply you were attacking anyone, I was referring

to the smears against Kamala Harris, Cory Booker and Deval Patric. The people/bots who are doing so are attacking Democrats, and despite being on a Democratic board they seem to not quite understand that attacking Democrats is not good for the party!

I thought that's what EllenG was saying, that attacks on Harris are disgusting and not a way for us to win. I never thought you were attacking anyone.

[obamanut2012]

181. OK Nancy didn't attack any Democrats -- I am confused by your accusationj

[Ninsianna]

201. See my reply to OK Nancy, where I explain that I was not attacking her.

I believe it the baloney that needs to be stopped is the attacking of Democrats and DUers by people who seem to think they need to "clear the way" for a non Democrat to win a primary, by attacking Dems.

That baloney is designed to make Democrats lose. That baloney needs to stop.

[obamanut2012]

182. Agreed -- time to tell Bernie -- and Biden -- to just staaahp

[liquid diamond]

94. That's one reason.

[David__77]

115. I can see a loss in 2020 coming already.

Of course it's not inevitable. Anti-left factionalized will do their darndest to lose.

[Ninsianna]

125. Then we must do all we can to prevent it.

They're trying hard to factionalize us, and create toxic divides, but we see them and we're shining a light on them. Let the sunshine kill this off before it infects us once again.

It's July of 2017, we're 3 years away from a presidential election and attacking women who are not running for anything is incomprehensible right now.

[David__77]

135. Attacking "Bernie Bros" also doesn't help.

I voted for Harris twice last year. I also voted for Sanders. There's no contradiction there, for me.

I get that some people will oppose Harris.

Some others will oppose Sanders or Tulsi Gabbard, who I like.

We can have disagreements while also agreeing to support the winners of the primaries.

[Ninsianna]

142. That term is used to describe the violent, abusive online personas

that were festooned with Bernie paraphernalia, but which didn't seem to bother supporting the Senator. Attacking them is something that we should all do, since they're truly heinous entities that seek to sow division and attack Democrats, including Bernie supporters, from Elizabeth Warren to anyone sane enough to have advocated for voting Democratic in the General, despite supporting someone else in the primary.

There is no contradiction between being a Bernie supporter and being sane, but there is one between being a "bro" and being someone interested in electing Democrats or opposing Trump and the GOP.

What I don't get is what people are opposing Harris for right now anyway. Was her kick ass performance using her professional skills in hearings worthy of being opposition?

I oppose the things Sanders has said, the candidates he's supported and his reneging on the things he promised earlier be it providing tax returns or staying in the party. I have issues with Tulsi Gabbard as well, including her confab with tyrants working against the U.S. and bombing their own people and her friendliness with Trump, who is the enemy on every front.

That doesn't mean that I'm going to attack her personally, accuse of sleeping her way to the top or ding her for spouting some Republicanisms, or for her rabid Republican family. I will criticize anyone whose actual behavior I find worthy of it, based on what they're doing, not what some bots have decided to cherry pick to attack her.

We can indeed disagree and we most certainly should criticize, but we need to do so with some intelligence and decorum. Attacking people personally in the most vile terms by lying about them for the purpose of tainting them in case they decide to run for some office later, is not something that I approve of. It's something those brobots wish to happen, and I'm all for disappointing them in every way possible.

We already know their game plan, lets stand and fight together.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

117. A bad guy to me is anyone who didn't vote Dem in the last election. The centrist Dems who voted

for Trump, and the people on the left who voted or wrote in another candidate. The environment/wildlife cannot take another 4 years of Republicanism and women's choice continues to be chipped away little by little. As we know, both parties vote in a block in congress, so it is especially important to vote for a Dem there. Even if a candidate is anti-choice, environment, etc., they will vote with the leadership.

What needs to change is the people in these red districts. THEY are the ones who are anti-choice and they insist upon anti-choice candidates. You are not going to get a Kamala Harris voted into office in Oklahoma. I have had dreams of running in my area as a Republican (the only way you could get elected here) and then the first day on the job saying "you assholes have been punked, I'm really a liberal Democrat!"

[Eko]

120. What do you mean

"That's why you're losing badly." Shouldn't that say "we're".

[Skittles]

124. it's cult of personality

that kind of talk gives them away

[Eko]

127. Ha.

[LonePirate]

136. What about those on the far left in Michigan and elsewhere who opted for Stein?

They are just as much traitors to progressives and liberal causes.

[Eliot Rosewater]

141. [phone]

[paleotn]

178. No, just incredibly foolish.

Similar to Nader voters in 2000, particularly in FL, who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Gore, thus 8 years of W, Iraq War disaster, hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi's killed, 5000 US service personnel killed and over 100K wounded and or maimed for life.....etc, etc. Our actions sometimes have far more reaching consequences than we know.

[Ninsianna]

202. Yes.

But you know who was worse? The people who got registered, walked their asses into the polling station, wrote in a candidate that was not on the ballot, and left everything else blank.

I volunteered for the recount and these were the ones that pissed me off the most.

Traitorous asses, who seem to be doing their level best to repeat their treason. Even the Republicans voted for Hillary, the GOP recounters were doing their damndest to steal those votes for Trump.

[Eko]

119. Sanders has great ideas.

But he is not enough of a uniter.

[ehrnst]

193. +1000. (nt)

[Warpy]

130. Oh really? In what way?

I am so sick of people who try to make everything about the last primary.

It's OVER. Move on.

[OKNancy]

133. This is about 2020 and has nothing to do with 2016

THe articles attacking Harris have all been written by Sanders people or analyzing why Sanders folks don't like Harris.
If you spend any time on twitter, you would know

[Eliot Rosewater]

159. It is happening again, if they are successful the GOP will not only retain control

of the government but this country will not resemble anything any of us will be willing to live in.

[obamanut2012]

183. Bernie shouldn't even try to run in 2020, and he has hinted he will

And, the 'bros are already attacking possible candidates, and are attacking with glee WOC candidates.

NOT A SHOCKER THERE.

[Warpy]

204. Uh, they're not the problem. Nor his he.

I doubt he'll run again. If he does, then then you can go back to screaming about how unfair it is to have a Democratic Socialist running for president--at his age.

Right now, it's inappropriate. The 2016 primary is over. For Pete's sake, move on.

[Dustlawyer]

188. Many of the posts here show we have a long way to go before we learn not to divide.

[NBachers]

143. Applause

[nini]

149. yep.. She's a double whammy

A vagina and dark skin.

Can't be having that in the way of the 'revolution'

[betsuni]

156. This is correct.

[concreteblue]

163. That is patently ridiculous

She in no way "stands in the way" of Bernie Sanders. Bernie would welcome her to any race he was part of. Are YOU trying to divide thae party? Belittle the "whiny left"???? Please stop refighting the primary and join us in defeating the criminal Republican party.

[OKNancy]

164. yawn...

I know someone who needs to "join"... and it isn't me and it isn't Kamala Harris

[concreteblue]

165. Then WTF are you talking about?

eom

[PragmaticLiberal]

170. Basically.

I ventured over to the other site and in reading some of the comments, that was my biggest takeaway.

[Tarheel_Dem]

173. THIS!

[murielm99]

174. You got that right.

[obamanut2012]

179. Only 75% correct, OKN

It's because she is a WOMAN getting in his way. But yes!

[Me.]

207. It Would Seem

You are correct, information over the last few days have added weight to your claim

[winetourdriver01]

3. Senator Harris

Democrat. Black. Woman. You bet your ass the knives are out.

[Scarsdale]

21. Highly intelligent

too, she can not be allowed to progress. McConnell spent 8 years trying to make President Obama a "one term president" I doubt he has any fight left in him.

[onetexan]

90. Yep, she's a triple threat

a woman of mixed black/east indian descent, well educated, and highly successful. Oh and did i mention gifted with both beauty and brains as well? That's what the good ol' boy network is afraid of.

[BigmanPigman]

166. You nailed it!

[yallerdawg]

6. This is 'The Set Up."

Define everything "wrong" with Democrats and the Democratic Party, start picking them off one by one - until:

[TDale313]

8. I like Sen Harris.

She's incredibly smart and from what I've seen a really good communicator. I supported Bernie in the primaries last time, but don't think he should run again, and do think Harris should explore the possibility. Sad to see the knives already out for her.

[stonecutter357]

9. K&R

[geek tragedy]

10. Going to be really funny when the purity fanatics

go all in to take her out, paving the way for Cory Booker.

[apcalc]

12. They don't like Booker either.

[geek tragedy]

15. That's the funny part nt

[Johnyawl]

31. or Adam Schiff

[TDale313]

52. That would be a huge mistake.

Personally, I think she's far more electable than Booker.

[obamanut2012]

184. Me too -- and, I am not a fan of Booker at all

[ATL Ebony]

177. I like Booker, he's from my ole' hometown but. . .

LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Harris and would prefer her for 2020. I think they're both smart people but she has more depth. No wonder she's a Rethug threat but I'm betting she can deal with them and enjoy every moment.

[apcalc]

11. She is clearly a progressive.

Smart, capable

Important to question the motives of those who are already labeling her:
' neoliberal' 'corporatist' , pro-bank, ' establishment'

All code words for trolls and bots

[Me.]

18. Too Right

"All code words for trolls and bots"

[dogandturtlemom]

16. Bots?

It would not surprise me if some of these are put forth by those of the Republican persuasion, intending just what we are seeing. Democrats must stick together and not support tactics of divide and conquer.

[Honeycombe8]

67. So far, I'm seeing only pro-Harris messages. Can you point to any anti-Harris ones?

I have no horse in this race, but I see what I see, and always look for substantiation. I see no articles anti-Harris.

Bots usually do posts w/o substantiation, or write articles in Facebook w/o substantiation or links to legitimate articles and such. Maybe I missed them, though. If you could provide those links, it'd be appreciated.

[pnwmom]

83. There have been lots of anti-Harris posts here on DU. I used to read enthusiastic posts

by people in CA, and wonder who they were talking about. Then I saw her in the Senate hearing and understood.

After that hearing, I saw more negative posts than positive ones. I guess she stuck her head up a little too high. Some people, even here, are trying to nail it back down.

[Me.]

93. But Didn't You Know She's A Bully?

“Male chauvinism is real and deplorable, as is racism. But what actually happened in the committee hearings bore little resemblance to the narrative that quickly took hold about them. Harris was not the victim here; a former district attorney, she was actually the one throwing her weight around in questioning Rosenstein and Sessions. McCain sought Burr’s intervention to begin with because in both instances, Harris had interrupted the witness, badgering him and rudely refusing to let him answer as she sought to produce damning clips for viral consumption.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448672/kamala-harris-rude-bullying-victimized-future-american-politics

[pnwmom]

95. Right. I had a DUer tell me they didn't like the way she handled herself at the hearing.

Basically, that she wasn't nice enough.

And yet even Burr, in scolding her, remarked that all the questioners had been overstepping. Yet she was the only one who got a scolding. And McCain wasn't reprimanded for interrupting her.

[Ninsianna]

129. Look for older threds, the pro-Harris stuff is a response to the nastiness that's

going on attacking Harris.

The one quoting Konst, Wong and other people who were not supporters of Democrats or the nominee last year are attacking Harris. There is a coordinated effort among the purity crowd to do so.

Bots usually just repeat a bunch of talking points, feeding off the "articles" in places like the Intercept and other supposedly left, but anti-Democratic places, remember when HA HA Good man was considered a "legitimate article"?

They're not hard to find, the bots are everywhere with this, using the same old terminology.

[usaf-vet]

17. This is exactly why I will not act like a lemming and follow

the lead of some Democratic party suicide pact. The "we are smarter than you and WE will pick our candidates." You just STFU and write us a check. That didn't work out well for us in 2016. And it won't work out in 2018 or 2020.

When Democrats deny someone with fire in their belly and the guts to speak out and the intelligence to make good solid sense they deny us good candidates and potentially great leaders.

[Squinch]

34. "That didn't work out well for us in 2016"....... *sigh*

[lapucelle]

36. Voters pick the candidates during primaries and general elections.

While there were plenty of lemmings in 2016, they weren't the people who voted for the Democratic nominee.

We warned them not to repeat the mistakes of the 2000 elections, but lemmings gotta leap.

[all american girl]

134. Mmmmm, the voters picked Hillary.

Why is this so hard to believe that millions of us loved her and wanted her to be the president. You want to know who denied Bernie his shot...women, POC, and the largest group, WOC...Bernie didn't make a good enough argument...

[Progressive dog]

169. If you think the candidates the vast majority of Democrats

selected were chosen by lemmings, then why would those lemming Democrats want to hear about it?

[obamanut2012]

185. whatever

[MrsCoffee]

19. But her speeches and her emails!

De ja vous.

[Me.]

22. Emails Again!

Must be code for something only female, Dem candidates do.

[lapucelle]

38. Do we have a concordance yet

deconstructing the number of times and in what particular contexts Harris has used the troubling elitist dog whistle "rare"?

[lunasun]

151. Emails / Females maybe? Remember Blah people ?

http://crooksandliars.com/diane-sweet/santorum-i-didnt-say-black-people-i-sa

[Squinch]

30. Also, according to one new DUer, she's just like Sessions, doncha know?

[MrsCoffee]

39. You have got to be kidding me.

[Squinch]

50. Nope. She supported a rule to freeze the assets of indicted criminals that are valued at

over $100K if there is substantial threat that those assets might be destroyed or removed from the jurisdiction of the court AND that there is high probability that the assets are the proceeds of criminal activity.

So our new friend says that means she supports asset seizure "just like Jeff Sessions." He also says that he's worried about what this rule will do to poor people.

They're here. They're among us. They're ZOMBIES!!!!

[JHan]

53. I cri...

LOL LOL
....Senator Harris is just like jeff sessions! LOL Where do these people come from....!

The propaganda is not even subtle. lol

[Squinch]

56. Uhhhh... Russia?

[JHan]

57. I think their imaginations are so fantastic, they don't need kremlin help...

hell , kremlin instigators must be laughing their asses off as well...

[Squinch]

60. Right? I bet all the bots are looking at each other saying, "Damn! I never even thought of that!"

"Quick, Igor, write that one down! Those Americans are NUTS!"

[JHan]

61. ........

[Ninsianna]

205. Really? I think it's more of a failure of imagination, they latch on to whatever they're

spoon fed and then internalize it. It's a sign of a lack of critical thinking and a failure of imagination.

[JHan]

206. true ++

doesn't take much apparently.

[tiredtoo]

20. more division in the ranks.

Why can't we all focus on 2018?
The post mentioning Bernie is divisive. Attacks on Harris come from the right, focus my friends, focus.

[elleng]

73. FABRICATED.

[ehrnst]

194. Actually, coming from the left as well.

https://mic.com/articles/183105/democratic-rising-star-kamala-harris-has-a-bernie-sanders-problem

[mcar]

23. There must be a reason

[H2O Man]

24. Recommended.

I like her a lot. I'm glad that she is quickly becoming a recognized leader on the national level. I have been struck by the similarities between how John McCain reacts to her, and how some people on this forum do.

[Me.]

28. Excellent Point

Didn't even think about McCain but you are absolutely right.

[H2O Man]

85. There is definitely

an organized effort to discredit Senator Harris now, before everyone in our party learns who she really is, what she actually stands for, and what she's capable of accomplishing on the big stage. It was initiated, of course, by west coast republicans, and has become much wider-spread in recent months. Hence, McCain's disgusting attempts to silence her.

This has grown to where they feel confident that, by pointing out certain things about her -- but not putting them into proper context -- they can take advantage of the national anger and hostilities -- especially those found within the Democratic Party.

I am confident that their effort will fail. And I say that as a "leftist" who stands in the true progressive fashion.

[Me.]

100. And That You Can Take To The Bank

[Honeycombe8]

25. I haven't seen the articles. Do you have the links? nt

[Quixote1818]

40. This is about all I could find

and this article over at Mic.com



https://mic.com/articles/183105/democratic-rising-star-kamala-harris-has-a-bernie-sanders-problem#.NtyIrrxfT




.

[Honeycombe8]

43. That's not even a legitimate news org. So there really are no articles, are there? I was wondering..

when someone posts a post complaining about things in the news, but doesn't cite the "things," well......

[Quixote1818]

54. I had to go digging because I was completely unaware of any attacks on Harris

Your right, there are a lot of OP's making assertions of all these attacks but not linking to anything specific.

[Kahuna7]

68. Here's a piece making the rounds on twitter...

http://theweek.com/articles/715955/why-leftists-dont-trust-kamala-harris-cory-booker-deval-patrick

[emulatorloo]

63. You're good at calling DU'ers liars, but you get real quiet when folks give you links:

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Democratic rising star Kamala Harris has a “Bernieland” problem

https://mic.com/articles/183105/democratic-rising-star-kamala-harris-has-a-bernie-sanders-problem#.wrMavB26a

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What The Establishment Thinks Of Kamala Harris
The Young Turks 160,794 views

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=we0FjKBw_vM


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These articles/vid detail the NeverKamala phenomenon:

The Democratic Self-Sabotage Continues
There's only one way out of our current crisis of government.

BY CHARLES P. PIERCE
AUG 4, 2017

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029417919
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a56823/democrats-fighting/


Kamala Harris: Under attack from legion on far left?. AM Joy discussion of the phenomena

http://www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/kamala-harris-under-attack-from-legion-on-far-left-1018203715964

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This is an article from "The Week", similar to the one from the Mic


Why leftists don't trust Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, and Deval Patrick
Ryan Cooper
http://theweek.com/articles/715955/why-leftists-dont-trust-kamala-harris-cory-booker-deval-patrick

[OKNancy]

65. that one is getting a lot of play and snowballed other previous ones

anyone who hasn't seen these articles isn't really into political news.

[Honeycombe8]

69. I didn't call anyone a liar. I assume the OP forgot to include all the links to legitimate news org

articles. Can you provide those? ("Mic" is not a recognized source of news, that I'm aware of.)

[emulatorloo]

75. I'll give you articles from legit orgs but I expect you'll claim they are making it all up.

I will post them in my post to you above.

A lot of this campaign is going on in the twitterverse. It isn't necessarily in "articles"

Link to tweet

[Honeycombe8]

80. I am waiting for links to "articles" by legitimate sources.

I don't think you intended for "Brittany" twitter account to be one, did you? I posted you a slew of pro-Harris articles from regular news organizations and progressive ones, as well.

I haven't found any "articles" so far that are anti-Harris. I didn't go looking for either pro or anti. It's just that all the articles that popped up are very much pro.

I merely wanted the links to the articles the OP was referring to. Not accusing anyone of lying. But if someone posts a post that says a lot of articles are out there that are bashing a rising star, I just would expect to see some links to that. That's all. I always look for things like that.

[emulatorloo]

81. I told you I am adding them, and I am. (I am done adding links now 11:21 MST)

I am adding articles that describe the phenomenon, with supporting evidence.

I also told you much of the anti-Harris campaign is going on in twitter. (Not in articles) That is why I posted a tweet. That tweet is a representative example.

[JHan]

86. And Millennials follow twitter, Instagram, FB...

...there's no searching for huff po or slate.

I don't get how some Democrats can still ignore last year - propaganda on social media had an impact, that's where the wars are fought. I came across several posts in my feed just last week alone with leftists ( legit profiles) parroting the same talking points about Harris you see on Twitter - that the donors love her ( remember that ratfucking piece by Saintaino or whatever his name is, on CNN?) that she's a stooge, that she has a problematic record.

So good on anyone who calls it out , it needs to be called out.

[Honeycombe8]

87. Why isn't the OP posting those, I wonder? Be on the lookout for...

articles in non-mainstream sites that seek to pit Democrats against each other. One of the hallmarks of such articles (bots) is a lack of substantiation that can be easily checked.

If Repubs had done that, the Russian interference would not have been successful.

I ALWAYS look for that, to differentiate between what's real and what's not. Nothing against the OP...but the MIC site, which failed to link to substantiation. WaPo and NYT can get away with that, but not an off the wall site (and the legit. news orgs wouldn't print such a story w/o referring to specific info that supports the thesis).

[Honeycombe8]

79. I did find pro-Harris legitimate articles. Here are some links.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/22/kamala-harris-2020-election-democratic-party

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/kamala-harris-is-having-a-moment-967055939734

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/30/politics/kamala-harris-2018-democrats/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/13/politics/powers-miller-kamala-harris-hysterical-sessions-hearing-ac360-cnntv/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/15/opinions/kamala-harris-senators-roxanne-jones-opinion/index.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kamala-harris_us_58247ce2e4b0aac62489433d

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2017/06/13/kamala_harris_got_shut_down_after_asking_an_incredibly_important_question.html

http://www.thedailybeast.com/kamala-harris-playlist-yes-its-political-but-its-smart

...and many more. Regular news orgs. & progressive ones, as well. I didn't see any that were bashing Harris. Quite the contrary. I think the "Mic" article may not be quite accurate.

[Quixote1818]

109. I think this is being blown way out of proportion by the MSM

They want progressives fighting with the more moderates. I think most progressives would be fine with someone like Harris but we also don't want her annotated. It seems like the MSM (as you can see with all the positive articles you posted) is propping her up as the one to beat like they did with Hillary and it's like, can we please just let the process run naturally?

[Me.]

96. A Bit More

Speculation has recently surrounded Harris regarding a potential 2020 presidential run. Democratic donors are starting to coalesce around her as their preferred candidate, according to a report from Mic.
Certain groups that supported Sen. Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.) for president against eventual Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton are not jumping on board, however. Yashar Ali, a political commentator who worked for Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign, tweeted Wednesday that it was "astounding how quickly the Bernie Sanders crew has mobilized against Kamala Harris."

http://freebeacon.com/politics/democratic-party-rift-sanders-supporters-do-not-like-rising-star-harris/

“RoseAnn DeMoro, the executive director of National Nurses United, has her reasons to distrust Kamala:“She’s one of the people the Democratic party is putting up,” DeMoro told the [New York] Times. “In terms of where the progressives live, I don’t think there’s any ‘there’ there.”

Winnie Wong makes her case against Kamala:
“She is the preferred candidate of extremely wealthy and out-of-touch Democratic party donors,” said Winnie Wong, co-founder of the group People for Bernie, which played a prominent role the grassroots movement behind Sanders in 2016. “Her recent anointing is extremely telling.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/maybe-bernie-bros-just-dont-like-wall-street-democrats_us_5980a53ee4b0d187a5969063

[Me.]

70. Well......

Am wondering how someone on this board can be unaware of articles and discussions on talk shows...most recently on AM Joy.

[emulatorloo]

84. Yeah. Here's a link to a discussion on AM Joy

Kamala Harris: Under attack from legion on far left?:

http://www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/kamala-harris-under-attack-from-legion-on-far-left-1018203715964

[FairWinds]

97. What is going on here is that some DU'ers . .

are using the Washington Post and the New Republic to inform
themselves about progressive Democrats.

Can't you see that the Reich side of the MSM is doing its
level best to divide Democrats?

Both of those fish wrapper rags are the LAST place to look
for accurate information about progressives.

[Orrex]

26. She's got my vote.

[MoonRiver]

27. No reason to be threatened by a strong progressive

woman, who can get tremendous support, unless...fill in the blanks.

[Squinch]

29. The few smears of her I have seen here from suspiciously low-count posters have been easily

disproven.

They are out there, and they are lying their asses off.

You are right. They must be scared to death of her.

[MoonRiver]

33. Their fear is noted lol!

Go Kamala!

[Evergreen Emerald]

32. Divide and conquer

I think it is deeper than Sanders. I think it is the same group that is causing chaos all over the internet (including DU, btw), and caused chaos during the elections.

Divide and conquer.

[MoonRiver]

35. They are laughably easy to detect!

[Evergreen Emerald]

37. Right?!

And what is worse, is that it worked. How stupid is the voting public?!

[MoonRiver]

47. Well, most of the got it. eom

[Zen Democrat]

41. Is it true that she's not pro-choice?

[Lazy Daisy]

48. This is how rumors get started

She's pro-choice, has a 100% rating from NARAL, and has fought for abortion rights. There is no question who's side she's on.

[George II]

49. No.

[Squinch]

51. No. But I'm pretty sure she IS involved with that child slavery ring on Mars. So there's that.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

91. Do they have pizzerias on Mars? I didn't know that.

Send Curiosity over for a medium pepperoni pizza for me -- oh, and don't forget the slaves...

[Squinch]

105. Don't be silly! There are no pizzas on Mars! This is a DIFFERENT child slave colony.

I know things because I heard it on Alex Jones.

[MoonRiver]

77. So you say you're a DEMOCRAT?

[obamanut2012]

186. Why did you post this, knowing it isn't true?

Why did you post a leading question, a false leading question?

[Corvo Bianco]

42. Our party isn't lacking xenophobes.

It's just a human disease. Don't catch it!

[George II]

44. Funny how the reasons seem to change, too....("corporatist, a centrist, not progressive enough")

[JHan]

55. Yes, the same blueprint..

It's so fucking obvious.

[Squinch]

58. What, no oligarch?

[George II]

59. Still three more years to go, the list will increase exponentially.

[NurseJackie]

62. I noticed that too.

[PoorMonger]

64. It Isn't (only) the Bernie Bros..

Unfortunately some on the left fear nomination of any woman to be our candidate again. This isn't always a malicious or sexist bent on their part even as its rooted there , but manifests as a larger lack of faith in the voting public. I've heard it before in discussion even among liberals ; the idea that Hillary's loss proves Americans still aren't ready for a woman as POTUS.

I like Harris though and would be proud to vote for her in 2020 - just as I am still proud to have cast a vote for Clinton - and not just against Trump.

Maybe her path will take a longer route though - perhaps in the next Democratic cabinet at Justice or State.

[TDale313]

74. I fear you're right that that's the message some came away with.

That if Hillary couldn't do it, we're just not ready. I heard it from my sister even. Next time, don't push our luck, just nominate a white guy.

I think that's the wrong message. Look, I voted for Bernie in the primaries. Voted happily for Hillary in the general. A lot of issues factored into how Nov played out. Misogyny was part of it, but so was the rigging of the game, Comey's announcement, Clinton fatigue, and yes, those Bernie supporters in swing states who weren't ready to let go of the primaries. Still, millions more voted for Hillary than Trump.

[lunasun]

152. Because the last successful 2 term Dem POTUS was a white guy???

[TDale313]

162. Because Trump was in part a backlash to

The last successful 2-term President not being a white guy? In case it wasn't clear, this isn't a stance I agree with. I just know it's out there.

[elleng]

76. Sounds like baloney to me, 'some on the left fear nomination of any woman.'

[alarimer]

191. It's a smear.

And it is also a deflection against legitimate criticism. Hillary had her flaws but nobody could discuss it without being accused of sexism. Same thing will happen here. Harris might be good at Senator, but may be a terrible campaigner, nationally. I mean, we won't know that until and unless it actually happens.

Having a thin record is both good and bad. Voters can read into them whatever they want. But there also aren't a lot of skeletons there, either.

So I don't know, except that I think it's a bit early and I am generally skeptical of ex-prosecutors in politics.

[ehrnst]

195. The misogyny on the left was as apparent in 2016

As racism on the right in 2008 and 2012.

To deny that it played a part in the election is delusional.

[alarimer]

200. I'm not denying it.

I AM saying that it is often a false charge on the part of those who want to hear no criticism (or even discussion) at all. It's often used to defect the conversation but not all criticism of Obama, for example, is racist. I didn't like the way he used drones to kill American citizens without trial. I would criticize anyone for doing so.

The same thing applies to any other candidate or politician. When we disagree (reasonably), we should feel free to do without being accused wrongly of racism or sexism.

[ehrnst]

209. I'm not saying that people should be wrongly accused of racism or sexism.

Just that it shouldn't be dismissed in the service of a narrative that serves a particular political narrative.

Is that clearer>

[Quixote1818]

101. The three people listed in the Mic.com article are all women

attacking Harris. I don't think this is about gender at all. Progressives love women like Elizabeth Warren and Nina Turner.

[Ninsianna]

123. Why does it matter if it's a woman attacking another woman on gendered grounds?

Phyllis Sclafly, Jeanne Pirro were both women, but they didn't let their own gender stop them from their misogyny.

The former was attacking liberal and Democratic women on every front, and the latter said that women should expect to be raped by their fellow soldiers if they jointed the military.

Progressives love women like Kamala Harris, Kirstin Gillibrand, Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren. We see Nina Turner, Nomiki Konst, Winnie Wong and the women who hang around TYT and the Chapo Frat house for what they are, which isn't at all progressive.

Even Jill Stein outed herself as a vile person when she attacked Hillary on Mother's day as a bad mother. I don't care how fond anyone is of Jill or the Greens or how much they disagree with Hillary, there is no question that it's about gender and that women are just as capable of misogyny and vile attacks on women as men are.

[Quixote1818]

144. Because these women are not. nt

[David__77]

116. Using terms "Bernie Bros" and "Hillbots" is unhelpful.

...

[Stinky The Clown]

71. What I am seeing appears to be the work of bots and right wing trolls . . . .

. . . . with the trolls posing as liberals. Some of them right here in River City (DU).

[elleng]

78. I tend to agree,

just can't have a rational discussion among Dems, they seem to fear.

[sellitman]

88. You see this in spades on Twitter

Many newbies with just a low post count. Mostly re-tweets.

It's annoying to say the least.

[Kahuna7]

168. Twitter is a cesspool. Yikes!

[brooklynite]

82. A simple question: what makes her a good Presidential candidate?

I supported her in her Senate run, but I haven't thought for a minute about the Presidential campaign; so what makes her a good choice?

[Me.]

103. Good Question

And one assumes she will make her case if she decides to run. But she hasn't said any such thing so one has to wonder why such a push back on something undeclared.

[BeyondGeography]

137. Don't you remember that great speech she gave?

Me neither.

The passion for Harris for President on this board is only exceeded by the dearth of supporting arguments for such. As the OP demonstrates, this content-free reasoning extends to the supposed spate of attacks against Harris from the left.

[alarimer]

190. It doesn't matter.

I'm sure she would be perfectly adequate, although I have really no idea. I do think our candidate, whoever they may eventually be, should have a longer track record. Because of the damage Trump is doing, it's going to take someone with some finesse and knowledge to win back our allies and undo Trumps's eventually tax breaks for the rich. That will take someone with some real guts and the willingness to put the country ahead of their own electoral careers (no such candidate currently exists, but maybe one at the end of their career anyway).

But we can't apparently say any of this without being called "bots" or Bernie Bros or whatever.

[LonePirate]

89. I wonder if that someone is a white man. Just spitballing here.

[nycbos]

92. Brogressive purists have a problem...

Last edited Sun Aug 6, 2017, 02:02 PM - Edit history (1)

... with a black woman who is way smarter than they are.


Could that possibly be the reason?

[Me.]

106. Now That's Funny

Haven't seen that word before....Brogressive.

[nycbos]

108. I borrowed it from a friend.

[ancianita]

99. This is how smart women lawyers are treated. Men don't get "You're too ___" Just women.

It's panic at the OK Misogynay Corral.

[Me.]

102. 50 Years Ago

Women weren't allowed to practice law or serve on juries

https://www.bustle.com/p/13-simple-things-women-couldnt-do-50-years-ago-in-the-us-66601

[ancianita]

104. Too incremental for this woman. I've been reading William Blackstone lately. Now I see why men take

a millenium as their standard for normal progress.

[Gothmog]

107. I like Senator Harris a great deal

[ananda]

110. I guarantee you, it's not a Democrat.

It's a rightwing hack.

[heaven05]

111. she is not white and possibly(probably) because she is a female POC

actually more than likely, it's all of those. If Dr. Warren and Senator Harris end up in primaries.....well neither will get a lot of votes, especially with the new cadre showing up or the past cadre from 2016 election cycle. White and male, otherwise the democrats will keep running scared or not show up. The apathy was appalling and since then this refighting the primary campaign is disgusting and self-defeating.

All I will say is we better get it together behind a true party person who is ALL INCLUSIVE and appealing. This running scared from the deplorables and their party is sickening to say the least. And I do feel the RW shift in every corner but the truly progressive corner here and in other truly democratic forums.

[LWolf]

112. I don't

really know what you are referring to; I'm sure I could look it up, or just read down your thread, but I'm afraid I'll find another example of inter-party warfare that I simply don't want to feed.

I will say that while Harris is not on my list of preferred potential primary candidates for 2020, it's not because she frightens me, and I don't dislike her. I just like others better. One of whom is a strong black woman. I'd be all-in for Nina Turner in a heartbeat.

So maybe it's not so accurate to suppose that people who might not support Harris are afraid of black women. I'm a woman, and I know that there are those who are afraid of strong women; we can find evidence everywhere in the rabid push to control us. I'm not black, but I can find abundant evidence across the nation, every day, to support the fact that there are plenty of people afraid of other races. I just don't think that there are enough women haters and race haters within the Democratic Party to make that a factor for taking down a strong black woman. Unless, of course, that woman is Cynthia McKinney or any other strong black woman that won't toe the establishment line.

[GaryCnf]

113. After noting that it isn't Senator Harris's critics

who have cast her as among the favorites to represent our Party in the 2020 Presidential Election, but rather her supporters, let me say it really isn't the issue I have with your OP. Rather, it's the strawman of anyone who dares question whether she is the best candidate that you created in order to support your argument. Let me repeat what I said in response to a similar OP

I think Kamala Harris is strong on the vast majority of issues.

She's clearly intelligent.

I know she gets blasted for not prosecuting Mnuchin, but I don't see her "selling out to corporations" as she has been accused of doing. In fact, I think she's actually pretty good on that score.

She has a great story.

Most of all, she has been near the top when it comes to holding Trump's and his minions' feet to the fire.

But her position on criminal justice issues is for the most part diametrically opposed to mine. For all the attempts to obfuscate, the fact is that the bill she introduced in 2006 may well have done no more than strengthen California's existing civil forfeiture bill by allowing assets to be frozen (but not seized) even before a suspect has been arrested BUT she was also a huge supporter of that existing civil forfeiture bill AND that bill is being used to destroy the lives of people who are not the big timers she claims are the only ones she cares about getting. She defended California's death penalty at a time when opposition from the AG might well have led to its demise. She also has issues surrounding the SF Crime lab. To be fair, I support any effort to correct the racism and classism in our bail systems so even though I think it's pretty weak I applaud her current efforts in that area.

I wouldn't hesitate to vote for her and work for her in a general election, but I am black and I am a former federal defender who has practiced in California and criminal justice is a major issue for me so her position on these issues definitely weigh against her in a primary.

Given the fact that Senator Harris's support civil asset forfeiture appears to be the number one reason people give for not supporting her AND the fact that those supporting her have repeatedly claimed that the accusation that she supports civil forfeiture is false and that she really being opposed because she is a black female AND the fact that I have just stated based on my first-hand knowledge and experience that she is indeed weak on civil forfeiture and other criminal justice issues BUT ALSO given the fact that I can readily articulate the many things I admire about her

tell me, am I "frightened" or am I a informed voter who differs with Senator Harris on an issue which means a great deal to me?

[Me.]

118. I Did Not

Imply anything of the sort "anyone who dares question whether she is the best candidate"..I believe I have stated she isn't a candidate. My thought was about those who assume and preemptively criticize her.

[TygrBright]

114. I think yer right. They learned from Obama's trajectory. Now they're running REAL scared. n/t

[judesedit]

121. A lot of it's trolling. They want dems and progressives to think that's what's going on

Don't buy into the bs. Stand together. Ignore that crap

[Me.]

138. Exactly

[lunasun]

154. and work on 2018 GOTV

[AlexSFCA]

122. she's got my vote already.

She is fearless unlike Feinstein and Boxer. She's been called female Obama. She is everything America represents. We don't need a populist, uber progressive, socialist or whatever; we need a strong left-leaning centrist like Macron in France to win and unite the country. People like Bernie are polarizing and dividing us. No republican has been as effective in destabilizing the Democratic Party as Sanders. We don't need any of that. Warren is much better in that regard. Imagine Harris/Warren team.

2018 can't come soon enough; it will be the year when we'll find out if our country has future or people don't show up to vote then we all deserve to go down in history as a failed democracy followed by second great depression, civil war and a complete collapse of our economy and standing in the world.

[sandensea]

139. My advice to the Redneck Caucus: you just keep interrupting her like that.

It only makes her stronger, and makes you look like the petty little Jim Crows you are.

[TheDebbieDee]

140. All the potential Dem Nominees are being pre-emptively smeared a la Hillary Clinton...

By the time they're being seriously considered they will all have considerable "made-up" baggage that will make them less desirable as candidates or running mates!

They've done it to Sen Warren and Sen Booker, too. I can't tell if if it's being done by legitimate Bernie Bros or Russian troll-bots pretending to be Bernie Bros...

Maybe a combination of both!

[Harry Also]

145. Thank you

We must fight the propaganda war being conducted by America's enemies against the Democratic Party.

[aikoaiko]

146. all I've seen is a few DU posts, mostly referring to things on twitter

I don't see a concerted effort as you do.

I've also seen things about Bernie running or how he shouldn't run.

This is all normal

[LittleBlue]

147. I only fear she will be coronated and not fairly nominated

Shades of Hillary. Oh she was legally nominated, but not without a fairly concerted effort by the media and party officials, who are supposed to be neutral.

I worry that with enough donors and party bosses, her nomination becomes a fait accompli. The primary should be fair and open to everyone. Anyone should have a fair chance to be president, not just the names spoken about in smoke-filled rooms.

It's a curious thing. We are supposed to be the party for equality and egalitarianism, a party that gives opportunity to everyone, and yet the primary process is so influenced by money and connections that few will ever get the chance. This thread is yet another example: a loyalty test implying that anyone who favors another candidate is a malevolent agent. It's tiring and a factor in why we lose so often.

[Me.]

148. That Doesn't Worry Me

I think we'll have strong contenders who will make sure they receive fair treatment. The names being bandied about are solid and lead me to believe the primary will be well fought by all.

[LittleBlue]

150. Didn't happen in 2016

And look where we are. No competitive nomination process means we could be staring at another 4 years of Republicans.

How painful does this have to become to learn this lesson?

[GulfCoast66]

160. Party officials are supposed to be neutral?

Since they are all long service politicians that is hardly possible.

As long as resources are not used in a way that favors one over the other they are doing their jobs.

As far as endorsements go, almost all Democratic Party officials will endorse their favorite long before the the primary is over.

At the end of the day the voters choose.

[LexVegas]

153. White dudes. She scares white dudes. nt

[Codeine]

155. This white dude is proud to have voted for her

for Senate.

[lovemydogs]

157. um, it's only 2017 and I have not heard anyone announce a run for President

So, why all the flame diaries about Harris.
Who says she is running or even wants to. And if she does, it's only 2017. Jumping the gun?

[FSogol]

158. It is not just Harris, they will attack any Democrat that rises for national office.

Except the one (s) that are so far-fetched.

[Mr.Bill]

161. There's a bit of a skeleton in her closet from her days as San Francisco DA.

I live in NorCal and this was a really big deal when it happened. I don't understand why it didn't come out when she ran for California AG or the Senate. Now I'm not bashing her and I would vote for her as President in a heartbeat.

All I'm saying is the opposition will surely bring this up in a presidential campaign:

https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=sf+drug+lab+kamala+harris&oq=sf+drug+lab+kamala+harris&gs_l=psy-ab.12...1835.17891.0.20290.29.28.1.0.0.0.268.4592.0j13j10.23.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..5.19.3749...0j46j0i131k1j0i46k1j0i22i30k1j33i160k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i21k1.31aLj7v2rCs

[Rincewind]

171. It's in your first sentence.

She's black, and she's a women. The fact that she's also smart, strong, intelligent and accomplished, just make it that much worse.

[Heartstrings]

172. Bingo! n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

175. Maybe it's Jeff Sessions, Drug War defenders and Cannabis prohibitionists who are afraid of her?

[BlueMTexpat]

176. I mostly don't see anti-Harris

posts, namely because I still have many people and one specific group on Ignore. They will stay there forever - or at least as long as I am on DU. I'm done with them.

But I agree with those here who believe that such posts are either from GOPer trolls seeking to divide Dems, or from those trying to prop up a candidate who is currently NOT a Dem, or from those who STILL can't abide that ANY WOMAN, especially one of color, can be every bit as good a candidate for President as ANY white male - of any age - can.

Or ALL of the above.

[dlk]

189. It's the Misogyny

Plain and simple, it's the misogyny (with a dash or racism for good measure).

[ehrnst]

192. Yep. Baiting the left, just like they did with Hillary... (nt)

[Me.]

197. Precisely

[Progressive dog]

198. Seeing this BS aimed at a Democratic rising star

just makes me want to know more about her.
It is "interesting" that people claiming to be Democrats are also targeting her right after she didn't let herself be silenced by Republicans
Kind of makes me wonder which side they're on.

[Me.]

199. Right?