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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI had heard Ivanka was a model before, but I'm surprised she's still on a modeling site
and with pictures like this.
This doesn't seem very women-empowering to me.
Link to tweet
Here's a page of her photos on a modeling site:
http://www.fashionmodeldirectory.com/models/ivanka_trump/photos/?start=24
syringis
(5,101 posts)...of the stepmother or the daughter is the "classiest"
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 6, 2017, 02:18 AM - Edit history (1)
Modeling is a career choice. The headline is misleading. It's not like she was 13 in the photo. For some it is empowering and helps confidence.
pnwmom
(108,987 posts)"Modeling is a career choice". Maybe not so much when your parent is the one who did the choosing.
Maybe that is for edge or kink appeal. A bit of shock value. Although I don't think she is strapped to anything. But she has 2 parents and at the point of the photo she was of age. Empowering is different for everyone. One person's empowerment may seem like objectifying to another. Same goes for porn. To each their own.
pnwmom
(108,987 posts)then or at age 18. Children of narcissists do what their parents want them to do -- or are booted out, like Tiffany.
Her mother was quite involved in it as well. It sounds like Marla kept Tiffany away from Donald or he stayed away. But she turned out to be quite level-headed.
pnwmom
(108,987 posts)The non-favorite child of a narcissist may suffer as a child but will be better off in the long run. She's less likely to have lost her soul.
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)Marla seems to be a smart woman so Tiffany didn't get ensnared. Ivana and Donald both seem narcissistic and Ivanka seems spoiled. Both Tiffany and Ivanka have different personalities. Tiffany seems very sweet and Ivanka seems like a stuckup snob.
pnwmom
(108,987 posts)When he was campaigning I could never understand all the people who would say that he must be okay because his children turned out so well. That is the whole point of having children, for a narcissist: to have personal extensions that reflect well on him. Of course they look good, to people on the outside.
The children who don't are threatened with annihilation. The narcissist would cut them off without looking back.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/insight-is-2020/201405/narcissistic-parents-psychological-effect-their-children
The topic of narcissism begs the following question flashing in neon lights: Why would a narcissist want a child to begin with? Arent they so focused on themselves that they wouldnt have the slightest interest in paying attention to others, much less attending to a needy young child who craves constant attention and praise?
Alas, the question presumes a type of normalcy and natural order of the parent-child relationship that betrays the root of narcissism. The truth is, narcissistic parents dont have children because they want to nurture and guide their offspring through life; they have children so that they have an automatic, built-in relationship in which they have power, one in which the narcissist can write the rules without any checks and balances. Understand this: Control over someone else is the ultimate jackpot every narcissist works so hard to win. The reality of narcissistic parenting couldnt be sadder: The child of the narcissist realizes early on that he exists to provide a reflection for the parent and to serve the parent - not the other way around.
SNIP
Young children of narcissists learn early in life that everything they do is a reflection on the parent to the point that the child must fit into the personality and behavioral mold intended for them. These children bear tremendous anxiety from a young age as they must continually push aside their own personality in order to please the parent and provide the mirror image the parent so desperately needs. If these children fail to comply with the narcissists wishes or try to set their own goals for their life God, forbid the children will be overtly punished, frozen out or avoided for a period of time hours, days or even weeks depending on the perceived transgression in the eyes of the narcissistic parent.
With young children, the narcissistic parent is experienced as unpredictable and confusing. After all, narcissists are awfully difficult to understand for adults, so just imagine how confusing the capricious narcissist is in the eyes of a young child! Because young kids cant make accurate sense of the narcissists interpersonal tricks and stunts, these children internalize intense shame (I keep failing my Mom) which leads to anger that the child turns on himself (Im so stupid, Somethings wrong with me). The overall quality and strength of the bond between the narcissistic parent and young child is poor and weak. Deep down, the child doesnt feel consistently loved, as the child is taught the metaphoric Narcissistic Parenting Program: Youre only as good as I say you are, and youll be loved only if youre fully compliant with my wishes. Simply put, its truly heartbreaking for the child though the narcissistic parent is sinfully oblivious.
Mike Nelson
(9,961 posts)...of clothing? More like promoting youthful sex...
So, why don't Ivanka and Melania advocate getting 18-year-olds to show skin and arouse?
They have not been good at gay rights or anti-bullying...
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Used because they can't afford doing their own shoots.
She was never on the cover of Spy, they had that pic inside because they did a story about young girls marketed as jailbait, LOL. She walked one legit runway, did a few shoots flashing lingerie for "lad" magazines... it's not really a career if it doesn't ever pay the rent.