Don't be blaming people who stand for womens rights as being divisve.

[boston bean]

That's some fucked up shit there.

Blame the fuckers who want to sell women down the river for being divisive. Yes put that blame where it belongs.

You got one side just wanting to be equal. The other side saying sorry no we have more important shit to do and you better go along.

Sorry that is a sick relationship akin to woman trapped in an abusive relationship.

[MontanaMama]

1. K&R

You got that right!!

[DoodAbides]

2. Isn't it also a matter of simple healthcare and female body is not a pre-condition? $.

Life and death.

[Skidmore]

12. No, it's not that simple

because there are many other social and economic issues that are experienced negatively by virtue of being female

[lapucelle]

3. When people started indicating last winter

that this issue is suddenly negotiable, I remember somebody here referring to the imperative of supporting reproductive autonomy as a "pet peeve".

[JenniferJuniper]

4. Screw anyone who thinks they have the right

to decide what someone else does with her body.

Seriously, fuck off.

[LexVegas]

5. Truth.

[Weekend Warrior]

6. K&R nt.

[Laffy Kat]

7. This

[TeapotInATempest]

8. That's right. How is it "divisive" to support a LEGAL medical procedure

and one that has been legal for over 40 years?? Why are we still fighting this from the rearguard?

[mopinko]

9. really.

why not just say- the supreme court has ruled. period.

[TeapotInATempest]

13. That's right. Thank you.

[mopinko]

10. it is slavery. sorry whiners, just plain slavery.

[musette_sf]

11. K&R!!!

I will NEVER align with these vicious enemies of innocent female US citizens and our sacred civil, human and Constitutional rights!

LOOK at this - THIS is from the vile gestational slavery advocates that call themselves "Democrats For Life".
THIS is the vile pandering that the DCCC wants to throw REAL Democratic women under the bus for.



RESIST!!!

[iluvtennis]

20. If this will be the Dem platform, they will definitely lose my support. This is LUDICROUS

[musette_sf]

22. The so-called "Democrats For Life" website

is a disgusting cesspool of vicious anti-American hate speech against innocent female US citizens and our sacred civil, human and Constitutional rights.

I will NEVER align with gestational slavers, and it's a gross insult to everything the Democratic Party stands for that any alignment whatsoever with these freaks is "on the table".


RESIST!!

[iluvtennis]

28. Agree

[charliea]

31. Emulate Jim Justice and return to your swamp!

I joined the Democratic party for the first time in my life last year (and I'm real close to retirement) so I could vote for Bernie in the primaries, and to show that the Republican clown car had absolutely nothing to offer. Seriously I think that the Democrats field two candidates I could enthusiastically support, even if I preferred Bernie. However if this shite is in the Democratic party platform, ever, then I'll be going back to my Independent status.

We won the popular vote despite our election being hacked/influenced/distorted by a hostile foreign power. Who are these
bozos? And why is the Democratic party chairman saying a health care issue isn't a cornerstone of the Democratic party?

Lastly, doesn't anyone know who these ratf**kers are?


Resist!

[musette_sf]

35. I'll keep posting the radical extremist hate speech of so-called "Democrats For Life"

as long as alleged "Democrats" keep attempting to catapult the "let's throw women under the bus AGAIN" rhetoric, exhorting us to embrace these vile ratf**kers.

These vicious enemies of innocent citizens' rights are perpetuating the SAME violent, lying hate speech propaganda as the rest of the gestational slavery syndicate - the SAME violent, lying hate speech that is directly responsible for the domestic terrorist massacre at the Planned Parenthood facility in Colorado Springs.

From so-called "Democrats For Life" website:

Democrats For Life of American fully supports reallocating Planned Parenthood's Title X funding to the 13,000 community health centers and rural health care clinics.

“Planned Parenthood has duped the American public into believing it provides comprehensive healthcare for women,” said [Kristen] Day [executive director of so-called "Democrats For Life"]. “Once people know the truth, that Planned Parenthood will continue to harvest body parts from aborted babies and taxpayer dollars will continue to subsidize the nations largest abortion business, support declines.”

RESIST!!

[AllyCat]

38. Abortion care IS comprehensive women's healthcare

Those folks don't seem much like Dems to me if they do not work for equality

[lebkr]

36. Is this a Koch funded effort??

It just seems like an issue designed to cause divisions. Splitting Democrats. Weakening their platform.

[Progressive dog]

48. That billboard is sick

and the website is sicker.
Pro choice is the only option that protects the right of women to control their own bodies.

[Honeycombe8]

14. What are you talking about? Did something happen? Who said you were divisive?

Did something happen recently to cause this post?

[Ligyron]

21. I guess we missed something...

[Honeycombe8]

24. Or not. Maybe it's much ado about nothing.

I haven't seen anything in the news about this subject.

[BannonsLiver]

29. Ding! Ding! Ding!

We have a winner.

[Honeycombe8]

47. LOL. nt

[ancianita]

15. Standing up for all the interests of half the country is never divisive. Never.

Except for those who deny benefitting from institutionalized sexism -- or those who are afraid to seem weak for being women's ally.

Except for the craven callous, uncaring creeps who make a buck from it all.

[obamanut2012]

16. Yeah, kinda done with the mansplaining with this

What civil right do they want to give up

[flibbitygiblets]

18. That's the point exactly. Are GLBT's being asked to support homophobes? No.

Are people of color being asked to sit tight and support racists while we get more people on our team? No.

Just women. Just half the goddamn country.

And by the way, if it helps at all, reproductive freedom doesn't just impact women.

[barbtries]

17. that's right!

thank you.

[leftstreet]

19. DURec

[potone]

23. I agree.

What people who think it is no big deal if a politician oppposes abortion don't realize is that it is a slippery slope: some of the anti-abortionists also oppose birth control. If that position becomes acceptable, it is no great leap to imagine the re-introduction of all sorts of laws designed to "protect" women but that in reality will just limit our lives and choices in all sorts of ways.

[H2O Man]

25. Recommended.

[stonecutter357]

26. K&R

[annabanana]

27. sigh.. yeah.

I really really can't believe this is a 'thing'...

[BannonsLiver]

32. I can't either.

But probably for different reasons.

[AllyCat]

40. You seem to support this idea that women are making this up

So, what qualifications do you have to understand how women might be feeling about "Democrats" for life and the DCCC?

[BannonsLiver]

42. Oh not at all.

I totally believe both Pelosi and Lujan have said the party shouldn't require litmus tests for candidates.

[MrsCoffee]

53. You seem rather gleeful to see party leadership throw women's rights under the bus.

Pelosi and Lujan are dead wrong and they will change their tune soon. I hope you are just as gleeful when they do.

[BannonsLiver]

62. Lol

[AllyCat]

57. You didn't really answer the question. Guessing you have no qualifications to understand

how women are feeling about this.

[BannonsLiver]

63. Sure I did

You said I thought Women were making this up. I said no. Asked and answered.

Now if you don't mind I'm going to get back to doing my part to battle trump which will include donating money to the DNC. This issue has become quite tedious. Have a nice afternoon.

[annabanana]

67. I am

a 67 year old woman who fought these damn wars back in the 60's and 70's.

I have a pretty good damn idea

[AllyCat]

68. I'm betting BannonsLiver was not there fighting with you

(And thank you for fighting by the way!) My comment/question was directed to him

[MuseRider]

30. Kinda like

our very lives are now our pony. Disgusting but not unsurprising. Actually expected.

It is easier to ask us to give in than to get out there and fight (like a woman) with us.

[smirkymonkey]

33. Hear, hear!

Fuck that noise!

[lunatica]

34. You tell em honey!

I'm right there with you!

[mcar]

37. K&R

[Greybnk48]

39. Goddamn right bean, goddamn right! n/t

[PufPuf23]

41. Standing up for women's rights is not and should never be divisive but

some people that stand up for women's rights are divisive.

It is not acceptable for a Democratic candidate to be anti-choice.

[Yates Amatitio]

43. I agree completely

I absolutely agree completely...I feel the same way about those of us who stand for women's rights, addressing income inequality and addressing social justice issues...Democrats can do all of those. Just like demanding the party support choice as not negotiable I also feel that demanding addressing income and social inequality as non-negotiable.

[SusanaMontana41]

52. Shoulder to shoulder with you. Nt

[dembotoz]

44. Preach it!!!!

[SusanaMontana41]

45. Third Way Democrats have killed

the Party of Roosevelt.

[Yates Amatitio]

49. yep

definitely

[elleng]

46. SOMEONES are seeking to DIVIDE and CONQUER.

I wonder who THOSE would be.

Let's drop the damn subject, and encourage democrats, local, state and national, to win elections!

[MrsCoffee]

54. Someone up thread said there was no reason for this thread.

You came along in time to prove them wrong.

[elleng]

55. He/she's right, there IS no reason for this thread

and many similar.

[JHan]

59. The OP doesn't exist in a vacuum however..

I'm surprised there's surprise about this thread...

The same tensions emerged during the Mello run, the same tensions existed when it was claimed abortion rights are "wedge issues" and we need a "broad vision" that is less focused on "identity politics" . The OP is a response to that, Lujan made a political miscalculation and I hope in future he doesn't capitulate to those making claims about wedge issues, when those same civil rights are under attack as we speak.

[spanone]

50. K&R...

[Solly Mack]

51. K&R

[Kleveland]

56. The argument is clearly divisive.

It is a personal issue.

Deal with it.

The issue is obviously being exploited by those who would like to see Dems weakened on any and all fronts.

Move on!

Unity is what is important.

Liberty is in peril.

[JHan]

58. Which argument is divisive?

[Kleveland]

60. The argument propogated by the concept of the choice of an individual ...

to be in charge of their own bodies.

It should just be an individual's personal choice.

Period.

No one person should choose the life path for another.

We are, and should all be responsible for our own choices.

Sorry if my thoughts are misplaced, or misunderstood.

[58Sunliner]

61. That's right! I'm not going to give a dime to these people.

And I will damn sure let Lujan know just how I feel. And Pelosi. Please everyone raise bloody hell over this shit. I am so tired of this crap. So tired of women being told you have to risk death because we outlawed your rights.
You have to carry a baby from a rapist. I could go on and on.
No one has the right to tell women who have worked for this party for decades that we will now take a second class citizen status. It's our party not his. That ass can be pushed out.

[JCanete]

64. same argument's been used by people on different issues to bash "purity". Well, because

the party as a whole has continued to sacrifice on certain issues for the sake of pragmatism, here we are, reaping the effects of the last 35 years of corporate-sponsored propaganda and lobbying. A population dumbed down by poor schooling and a fake 4th estate...which is why in 2017 we are actually questioning whether or not we need to breach these bubbles of religiosity with candidates who won't make them immediately go code red without a second thought.

Pragmatism is what you take when there are no other good options. I don't know that signaling this openness to pro-life candidates is pragmatic because it could be divisive to the party, the same way being open to big money has been ultimately divisive to the party, a practice that frankly, has led us to the point we are at today.

[boston bean]

65. Kick because it isn't a purist position to be for womens rights.

[johhnydrama]

66. Ok Here is an abortion question that I think needs asking?

Why didn't the pro-choice movement pursue federal abortion rights legislation after Roe V Wade? That's the big thing that happen in the civil rights movement after Brown V Board of Education. I think it's important that Civil Rights legislation and voting rights legislation got passed. It cemented the notion that racism is wrong. I think the failure to pass Abortion rights legislation in the seventies cemented future confrontation on this matter.